'International incident': 'Terrifying standoff' as US troops mistakenly invade Mexico (www.rawstory.com)
from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 01:34
https://lemmy.ca/post/55527173

from daily mail: dailymail.co.uk/…/US-troops-Mexican-beach-invasio…

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WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org on 21 Nov 01:36 next collapse

Have at them cartels. I ain’t seen shit.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 02:35 next collapse

¡Cuidado!

Cruce de tortugas.

monis@ttrpg.network on 21 Nov 03:41 collapse

Yikes.

aarch0x40@piefed.social on 21 Nov 01:44 next collapse

This was no mistake.  It was a test.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 02:07 next collapse

They also said unauthorized access or photography was not allowed in that area and that ‘if you are found here, you may be detained and searched.’ Mexico’s foreign affairs ministry said its navy removed the signs from the sand, which it believed were on Mexican territory."

That’s the result they wanted.

It’s Mexico, clear as day, but Mexico just waffled on it and said they “believed” it was Mexico.

They’ll take a page out of Israel’s playbook and start saying “until we figure this out, it’s a buffer zone”. Then just keep expanding it and not obstructing Americans from “settling” there, once they’re established, then it’s obviously America because why else would Americans be living there?

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 04:35 collapse

You might be reading too much into that. The article stated Mexico’s naval personnel removed them as the personnel acted on the information they had. I would highly doubt they were going to go to great lengths to confirm the exact coordinates of the boarder.

Do I think that’s what the Americans were trying to do? Yes. But Mexico didn’t waffle it.

smeenz@lemmy.nz on 21 Nov 08:58 next collapse

A boarder is someone who lives in your house. A border is what separates countries.

ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 11:52 collapse

Or maybe they boarded Mexico like a ship, or boarded it with signs, making the Americans the boarders

smeenz@lemmy.nz on 21 Nov 19:21 collapse

All aboard the boarding ship! So exciting! You won’t be bored

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 11:29 collapse

What??

This wasn’t a random place, it’s a fucking beach with people who go there routinely…

What “great lengths” did you think it would take to determine which side of Trump’s ridiculous fence this was on?

You think people that live and work right next to the border, are unsure about where the border is?

You think it’s something you can accidentally wander across?

Mexico knew that beach was theirs, but when pushed they said it might be instead of saber rattling that America just tried to seize a fucking landinghead

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 12:56 next collapse

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

Mexico waffled nothing. They removed the signs. The statement of believe or not isnt consequential.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 13:09 collapse

You think a hostile nation’s military headed by a demented narcissist showing up on another country’s sovereign soil and placing signs that it belongs to a different country…

Is a molehill?

Buddy, if you don’t understand why something is serious, I’d highly advise you to ask questions instead of loudly proclaim it’s not a big deal

Uruanna@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 14:36 collapse

The molehill is your focus on the word believe

The serious part is the US just waltzing into a foreign country planting signs and Mexico removing them

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 16:03 collapse

The molehill is your focus on the word believe

If I walked up and took a sandwich out of you hand and ate, would you say:

I believe that’s my sandwich

And expect me to give it back? Or anyone to help you?

Or do you think:

You just stole my sandwich

Would be more effective?

You’re acting like this is one isolated incident with zero consequences…

And I readily admit, I over estimate people’s critical thinking abilities, but it seems very clear with how Israel and Russia treat borders, and how chummy with them trump is, that this could very likely be the start of the same behavior.

But like I said, I often think shit is ridiculously obvious just to find out other people just can’t connect the dots.

I’ll never understand why people get so belligerent instead of just asking questions till they understand.

Can you at least tell me why you didn’t want to ask questions when you ran into something you didn’t understand?

It’s a widespread issue, and I legitimately want some insight into your choices here.

village604@adultswim.fan on 21 Nov 15:42 collapse

The border is really big, and not all of it is fenced. It’s definitely possible to accidentally cross it.

Not saying that’s what happened here, though.

Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 02:41 collapse

Like how Russia tested Ukraine?

SkyezOpen@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 03:36 next collapse

Like how Russia is testing the rest of the EU right now.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 01:33 collapse

Everyone except Turkey who just blew their jets right out of the goddamn sky and said “crossing our airspace without permission is a no.” No accidental incursions there anymore

aarch0x40@piefed.social on 21 Nov 04:13 collapse

👃

frongt@lemmy.zip on 21 Nov 01:55 next collapse

That’s about 20 miles south of the border. And the only reason to approach by boat would be because you couldn’t do it from land, because you’d be stopped.

RandAlThor@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 02:07 collapse

In this day and age of GPS, there’s no excuse for them to be in another FREAKIN COUNTRY. Just complete morons.

yakko@feddit.uk on 21 Nov 06:06 collapse

They are morons for following illegal orders. Modern GPS can practically tell when you leaned over to fart, we cannot assume this was accidental.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 01:39 collapse

Modern GPS can practically tell when you leaned over to fart

A fucking garmin watch could tell you when you’re across the border, Daggers have access to an entire other satellite network for even more precise location that civilians cannot use so they have less than zero excuse for positioning.

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 02:00 next collapse

How the fuck did they not get arrested?

Pistcow@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 02:31 next collapse

Shoot them in the fucking face next time

pennomi@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 02:41 collapse

Generally unwise to escalate on stupidity. Don’t give the US any more reasons to double down on war.

Uruanna@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 14:38 collapse

That’s right, when a foreign army invades your country, don’t escalate, just give them control of your government and your institutions.

pennomi@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 15:13 collapse

If they leave immediately in shame like they just did, then yeah, leave them alone. FFS you guys have no concept of diplomacy.

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 19:59 collapse

ITT: People who don’t live in North America wants to see a bunch of US-Americans and Mexicans die for their amusement

M0oP0o@mander.xyz on 21 Nov 23:45 collapse

I live in north America and would find it kinda neat.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 02:38 next collapse

Probably by having lots of guns and Mexico not wanting to start the Second Mexican-American war.

FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 03:16 collapse

Trump’s deal with the devil for immunity from all consequences

modernangel@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 02:44 next collapse

“mistakenly” wink wink

Not an honest mistake, not under this regime

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 03:02 next collapse

Bah. I accidentally invaded America during Basic training. The other side of that long swathe of clearing was cooler, so we walked there.

Wow, did we get in trouble when we all found out we actually invaded.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 21 Nov 03:30 next collapse

Did you hammer signs into the ground claiming that territory for your country? Had your country recently made military threats against American sovereignty, and had your country's military recently killed 76 citizens of a country near America in extrajudicial slayings while claiming that they were doing the things you're threatening America over?

It's hardly a similar situation to that right now. Tensions are high, America is a serious threat.

CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 08:30 collapse

Mexico and Venezuela are approximately one Mexico away from each other. They aren’t really that near to one another. The rest of your point stands but the Americas are really fucking big.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 21 Nov 08:43 collapse

The similarity lies in what accusations the Americans are slinging, not their physical proximity.

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 21 Nov 08:45 collapse

I’d suggest that wandering over a border by accident and then back again wouldn’t really be considered an invasion…

FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 03:14 next collapse

How the foxtrot do you accidentally invade Mexico? What they mean is they committed another act of abuse and then said they didn’t mean it

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 04:37 next collapse

Militaries accidentally invade each other all the time.

Usually, they back right out and let the other country know, they don’t use boats to get around visible border controls and plant a sign in other country though.

Linktank@lemmy.today on 21 Nov 06:33 next collapse

Narcissist prayer all day, every day.

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 11:42 collapse

I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 11:42 next collapse

Consider we’re just not that bright?

samus12345@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 14:48 next collapse

“¡Solo fue una broma, hermano!”

BanMe@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 14:50 collapse

The article claims that changes in water lines resulted in altered perceptions of the border line. As if international borders are hallucinogenic in some way? IDK

TheMinister@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 16:20 next collapse

Sorry to tell you, but international borders absolutely are hallucinations. Grant you, not hallucinogenic, but they’re absolutely flights of fancy.

CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 23:24 collapse

It’s well known that changes in water lines make GPS completely inoperable. This could happen to any wealthy and powerful nation’s military.

monis@ttrpg.network on 21 Nov 03:41 next collapse

Standoff with the cartels?

tangeli@piefed.social on 21 Nov 05:06 next collapse

Canada’s next. Or maybe Greenland.

ohulancutash@feddit.uk on 21 Nov 06:32 collapse

Or France

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 01:40 collapse

I hope France offers to help us with another revolution instead, we’re overdue

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 05:47 next collapse

Any better sources for this?

FreddiesLantern@leminal.space on 21 Nov 12:09 next collapse

Oh, turns out that wall isn’t very effective after all huh?

Alenalda@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 12:15 next collapse

Remember the Alamo?

[deleted] on 21 Nov 12:54 next collapse
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Cyberflunk@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 14:44 next collapse

LOOK AT THIS CRISIS I CREATED TO AVOID ACCOUNTABILITY

SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works on 21 Nov 16:43 next collapse

Just do what Poland or Turkey would do if Russia “accidently” flies a plane into their airspace

Technoworcester@feddit.uk on 21 Nov 17:00 next collapse

Non dailyhatemail version

web.archive.org/…/US-troops-Mexican-beach-invasio…

heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net on 21 Nov 19:57 next collapse

Military incompetence, or international threat, either way you know the decision is being made at the top.

ArtVandelay@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 00:46 collapse

Will Trump is both incompetent and an international threat so that checks out

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 23:51 next collapse

Mexico should have arrested all those illegal aliens and then deported them to North Korea.

NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 01:19 collapse

Actually a mistake, or doing exactly what russia fucking does and testing boundaries and responses, and then going oops! ??