If the rest of the civilized world is failing to put pressure on the US, maybe we are reliant upon China now. In this scenario the enemy of an enemy is indeed a friend.
Eldritch@piefed.world
on 09 Apr 12:26
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China just executed a number of Canadians. Don’t rely on large immovable hierarchies of power to deliver anything resembling justice.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 14:30
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Why were they executed again?
Oh yeah, crimes that also have the death penalty in Canada
Eldritch@piefed.world
on 09 Apr 15:23
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marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 17:08
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I didn’t make any claims, the Epstein defending guy did.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Apr 16:51
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You mean the death penalty that they don’t have anymore?
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 17:08
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They still had it, and it’s the same crimes. Also life in prison is objectively more cruel.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Apr 19:23
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Prison is objectively more reversible too.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 19:34
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Not really, no. Time flows in one direction.
Just because you stop torturing someone doesn’t mean you didn’t do it in the first place. Saying ‘oops sorry for torturing you for the crimes you committed, we’re different now and those aren’t crimes anymore’ isn’t recompense nor does it mean you reverse the situation. It means you did something irreversible and now you feel guilty. There is no ability to make one whole again.
And again, Murder, corruption, and treason are the three crime categories that get the death penalty in China; that has to be supported by evidence that passes both judicial and jury scrutiny; with the defendant receiving the benefit of the doubt with any unclear evidence or allegations.
This mirrors the ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ standard of English law based countries; but more than that they also get appeals.
There is no death penalty in Canada (edit : and hasn’t been for over 60 years). What a week assed argument. Hahaha.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 17:13
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This feels like a bunch of people pedophiles defending loli as not real CSAM. ‘oh b-b-but we ONLY send people for life imprisonment for murder and treason, not kill them, that’s totally different even though every single aspect of their life ends we torture them for 40-60 years and that’s so much better and totally different from the death penalty.’
Just listen to yourself defending the death penalty for your favourite authoritarian government. I’m rolling around here. Hahahaha.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 17:22
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All governments are inherently authoritarian. There is no possible recognizable difference between what your Pedophile owners told you is ‘authoritarian’ and how your government functions.
That aside I’d rather no death penalty exist.
Unfortunately we live in a world wherein a quarter of the world population live under a nightmarish genocidal regime consisting of maybe 10,000 pedophiles that own and operate the totality of their society, and that society tends to attack any free society that tries to develop. I understand that as a member of said society you feel defensive about being owned by such people and look for any way to twist their propaganda to feel better about your place in the world.
But your government and those who own your government are genocidal pedophiles, and every day you don’t fight for freedom is another day where you consent to their actions domestically and globally.
No, not all nations are like yours, you people in the western world ARE THE EXCEPTION.
I think you’re mistaking me for someone Canadian or American or something.
I just don’t like the death penalty and there isn’t one where I live.
You keep defending that death penalty for drugs related crimes though because you don’t want to criticise your favourite authoritarian government.
I’m out now o/
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 17:29
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Well that narrows you down to a country that has had slavery within the last 150 years. So, good for you and your moral high horse while your country exploits (present tense) the global south and didn’t offer such deference to those places your country colonized.
Absolutely false. Hilarious. To the very best of my knowledge my country has never attempted to colonise anywhere (edit: nor has it ever allowed slavery).
You keep digging that hilarious hole though. Grasp at those straws! Defend the death penalty for drugs offences! I’m sure your favourite authoritarian government loves you for it.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 09 Apr 18:03
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Definitely false information you’re spewing here unless you think you’re from a micronation and don’t want to admit to the country that actually owns your nation.
It came up in the new feed on the fediverse a lot recently. But I think it got regularly buried by the people who defend and glaze China constantly. Yes they were accused of drug crimes. The death penalty isn’t a deterrent. As long as the underpinning social problems exist, someone will always rush to refill the gap. Not to mention China’s courts are as corrupt and big a joke as any in the west. Rehabilitation would have been the correct answer. Barring that, China could have just stripped them of citizenship and denied them re-entry. Turning them over to Canada as Canada wanted.
Well… if you risk a crime punishable by death somewhere you can’t really be surprised that you’ll die if you get caught. I for one am grateful to live in a country that doesn’t have the capital punishment. But even here gettting caught trafficking drugs would land you in jail for a long time.
I technically agree with you but that’s not remotely the point. I’m against the death sentence in totality myself. I think even the petite bourgeoisie would be better handled by hard labor than death. And that the only acceptable time to kill is in actual self-defense. The death penalty for drug crimes is especially stupid. And so are unforced errors like not just sending them have to be another country’s problem and not yours.
When killing becomes an acceptable solution it also becomes the easy solution and the regular solution. Which should be the opposite of what a just Society goes for.
I’m also against the death penalty, if my previous message didn’t made that clear. Also the war on drugs is very very stupid… so much money, time and lives wasted fighting windmills.
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If the rest of the civilized world is failing to put pressure on the US, maybe we are reliant upon China now. In this scenario the enemy of an enemy is indeed a friend.
China just executed a number of Canadians. Don’t rely on large immovable hierarchies of power to deliver anything resembling justice.
Why were they executed again?
Oh yeah, crimes that also have the death penalty in Canada
Got any sources? This one says you’re wrong.
I didn’t make any claims, the Epstein defending guy did.
You mean the death penalty that they don’t have anymore?
They still had it, and it’s the same crimes. Also life in prison is objectively more cruel.
Prison is objectively more reversible too.
Not really, no. Time flows in one direction.
Just because you stop torturing someone doesn’t mean you didn’t do it in the first place. Saying ‘oops sorry for torturing you for the crimes you committed, we’re different now and those aren’t crimes anymore’ isn’t recompense nor does it mean you reverse the situation. It means you did something irreversible and now you feel guilty. There is no ability to make one whole again.
And again, Murder, corruption, and treason are the three crime categories that get the death penalty in China; that has to be supported by evidence that passes both judicial and jury scrutiny; with the defendant receiving the benefit of the doubt with any unclear evidence or allegations.
This mirrors the ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ standard of English law based countries; but more than that they also get appeals.
You just keep licking those murderous boots. Slurp slurp.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Capital_punishment_in_Canada
So you admit it? Cool.
Thanks for agreeing with me that the only crimes you get the death penalty for in China are the only ones Canada ever gave the death penalty for.
And thus there’s no real difference.
Thanks for playing, Epstein defender.
There is no death penalty in Canada (edit : and hasn’t been for over 60 years). What a week assed argument. Hahaha.
This feels like a bunch of people pedophiles defending loli as not real CSAM. ‘oh b-b-but we ONLY send people for life imprisonment for murder and treason, not kill them, that’s totally different even though every single aspect of their life ends we torture them for 40-60 years and that’s so much better and totally different from the death penalty.’
Just listen to yourself defending the death penalty for your favourite authoritarian government. I’m rolling around here. Hahahaha.
All governments are inherently authoritarian. There is no possible recognizable difference between what your Pedophile owners told you is ‘authoritarian’ and how your government functions.
That aside I’d rather no death penalty exist.
Unfortunately we live in a world wherein a quarter of the world population live under a nightmarish genocidal regime consisting of maybe 10,000 pedophiles that own and operate the totality of their society, and that society tends to attack any free society that tries to develop. I understand that as a member of said society you feel defensive about being owned by such people and look for any way to twist their propaganda to feel better about your place in the world.
But your government and those who own your government are genocidal pedophiles, and every day you don’t fight for freedom is another day where you consent to their actions domestically and globally.
No, not all nations are like yours, you people in the western world ARE THE EXCEPTION.
I think you’re mistaking me for someone Canadian or American or something.
I just don’t like the death penalty and there isn’t one where I live.
You keep defending that death penalty for drugs related crimes though because you don’t want to criticise your favourite authoritarian government.
I’m out now o/
Well that narrows you down to a country that has had slavery within the last 150 years. So, good for you and your moral high horse while your country exploits (present tense) the global south and didn’t offer such deference to those places your country colonized.
Absolutely false. Hilarious. To the very best of my knowledge my country has never attempted to colonise anywhere (edit: nor has it ever allowed slavery).
You keep digging that hilarious hole though. Grasp at those straws! Defend the death penalty for drugs offences! I’m sure your favourite authoritarian government loves you for it.
Definitely false information you’re spewing here unless you think you’re from a micronation and don’t want to admit to the country that actually owns your nation.
Or, you know, a nation that was colonised.
Keep ignoring your death penalty for drugs offences cheering through any ridiculous argument you can drag out of your ass though. You’re nailing it.
Edit: and I just want to add … Blaming people for the sins of their forefathers is bullshit. So is the death penalty.
I’m not aware of this, could you please share a source?
Sure
https://thewalrus.ca/canadians-killed-in-china/
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/20/nx-s1-5334313/china-canada-executions
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c204ywyl4kvo
It came up in the new feed on the fediverse a lot recently. But I think it got regularly buried by the people who defend and glaze China constantly. Yes they were accused of drug crimes. The death penalty isn’t a deterrent. As long as the underpinning social problems exist, someone will always rush to refill the gap. Not to mention China’s courts are as corrupt and big a joke as any in the west. Rehabilitation would have been the correct answer. Barring that, China could have just stripped them of citizenship and denied them re-entry. Turning them over to Canada as Canada wanted.
Well… if you risk a crime punishable by death somewhere you can’t really be surprised that you’ll die if you get caught. I for one am grateful to live in a country that doesn’t have the capital punishment. But even here gettting caught trafficking drugs would land you in jail for a long time.
I technically agree with you but that’s not remotely the point. I’m against the death sentence in totality myself. I think even the petite bourgeoisie would be better handled by hard labor than death. And that the only acceptable time to kill is in actual self-defense. The death penalty for drug crimes is especially stupid. And so are unforced errors like not just sending them have to be another country’s problem and not yours.
When killing becomes an acceptable solution it also becomes the easy solution and the regular solution. Which should be the opposite of what a just Society goes for.
I’m also against the death penalty, if my previous message didn’t made that clear. Also the war on drugs is very very stupid… so much money, time and lives wasted fighting windmills.
Absolutely.
Because we’re looking at stopping far worse from the US. There are less bad routes to progress.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Those in the west unironically said the same things.
The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy
So… autodefenestration has come to the US.