Prince Andrew ‘tormented’ as Jeffrey Epstein documents set to be made public
(www.independent.co.uk)
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Prince Andrew is said to be “totally tormented” at the prospect of his relationship with the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein coming under further scrutiny after a judge ordered the release of secret case files.
US Judge Loretta Preska ruled on Monday 18 December that documents relating to more than 170 people who were either associates, friends or victims of disgraced financier Epstein should be made public.
They include 40 documents of evidence from Johanna Sjoberg, who has claimed the Duke of York touched her breast while sitting on a couch inside the US billionaire’s Manhattan apartment in 2001.
Andrew stepped down from public life after the furore over his friendship with Epstein and paid millions to settle a civil sexual assault case to Ms Giuffre, a woman he claimed never to have met.
In the infamous 2019 interview, Andrew denied Ms Giuffre’s claims and said an alleged encounter with her in 2001 could not have happened as he spent the day with his daughter, Princess Beatrice, taking her to Pizza Express in Woking for a party.
In January 2022, ahead of his legal settlement, his mother the Queen stripped Andrew of all of his honorary military roles, including Colonel of the Grenadier Guards.
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I hope it lasts even after the docs are published.
I hope it only starts in earnest then
Why would he be worried, if he has nothing to hide? SMH
Good. Suffer, you utter shitgibbon. I want you to be as terrified as everyone else who you had to ‘involve’ yourself with was.
Bet you’re sweating now, fuck face.
Lol, there’s so much emotion in this reply.
He does seem like and utter douche canoe tho.
I have never heard the insult ‘shitgibbon’ before, but i love it
It’s in the same vein as douchecanoe but rarer. Rarer than a cockwomble or fucknugget but not as rare as a wankpuffin.
Ah, the ever elusive wankpuffin.
My wankpuffin also keeps disappearing. Maybe he doesn’t enjoy as much as I.
Please do not the puffin
Have you tried a spankswallow? Much better and less likely to flee
What is the speed of an unlaiden spankswallow?
The airspeed velocity of an unladen spankswallow depends on the skill of the spank and the proximity of the swallow, but on average? 42
You are now the second person besides myself that I’ve ever encountered using it. I have to wonder if it wasn’t used in a somewhat obscure book or movie or something that introduced it to a few of us who have been disseminating it ever since.
Big fan of douchecanoe. Been using it for many years.
I once dropped ‘douchecanoe’ in a convo with my manager in reference to someone we both knew outside of the company, without thinking. She gave me one of those “hol’ up - what did you just say?” reactions. New to her, she was amused.
Utter hoofwanking bunglecunts.
There’s no reason to slander shitgibbons like that
I was looking for a sweat comment
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thanks… gotta love wikipedia…
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i hope he offs himself. it would be the only justice these women will ever receive.
Haha. Nonce getting more found out.
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Pretty ironic posting Jerry here.
Why are there so many pedos among the rich
They are in the position of power to act on their desires. It's probably the same % everywhere.
Nah, I think it has more to do with power.
Theyre in a position to get something so illegal and evil, the thrill is in the power of doing something that lesser people would be executed for.
I think this is a major part of it.
Which is why high levels of wealth and power actually lead to bad mental health of the rich and powerful.
They get detached from normal life and start looking for thrills in the wrong places. It’s kind of a similar effect as what middle class people know as lifestyle adaptation or the hedonic treadmill.
Once the normal things that provide pleasure are easy to obtain, people start looking for pleasure in places that still provide mystery, adventure and a challenge.
These people desperately need therapy to learn how to be content with normal things, but instead they follow their flawed monkey brains into a trap.
Sociologists call it anomie.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
In sociology, anomie is a social condition defined by an uprooting or breakdown of any moral values, standards or guidance for individuals to follow. Anomie is believed to possibly evolve from conflict of belief systems and causes breakdown of social bonds between an individual and the community (both economic and primary socialization). …etc. …
TIL, thanks
A new word! Thank you!
Power is the major reason.
I also would not be surprised if powerful people have to do something sinister as an initiation rite that could be held against them in the future.
Like a dangling sword, should they feel just TOO powerful to toe the line.
That’s a conspiracy I can get behind. I have noticed a lot of times one of them grows a conscience for half a moment something damning comes out about them soon after.
Some cults use a similar tactic. You’ve joined, you’re sucked in, and suddenly if you really want the inner mysteries you have to do something terrible on video to prove your loyalty. Then it’s impossible to get out without destroying your life.
True, but these are some mental characteristics that are more prevalent in rich people that might skew that a bit, by enriching the set with personalities that might be more prone to act on their perversions.
It’s not just that their wealth gives them the opportunity to wield and enjoy power over others, but also that those who are thrilled by power over others seek wealth and enjoy the ruthless things they have to do to get it. So these characteristics will be overrepresented among the rich.
Yeah but the people getting rich normally do it by taking advantage of other people, so it’s just in their DNA
I don’t think they’re twiddling their thumbs while doing these deeds, it’s just so normalized in their ecosystem they don’t even rationalize how bad it actually is. Like they probably don’t think it’s “that bad” for reasons like conditions, or maybe it’s just the kids are happy to get paid a lot so they don’t see it as irrational.
Not justification, not condoning, still disgusting and immoral
Hoarding wealth in greater quantities than you could ever use in order to have power over others desperate to just survive is abusive to start with. They're probably exposed to other people with all variants of abusive tendencies and trained to believe they are better than and deserving of the suffering of others. Being raised in that environment will definitely encourage a much higher proportion of other abusive behaviors.
Others provided many explanations, but in Epstein island’s case I think it was a sick rite of a passage for those feeling they are the new elite. By doing something so wrong together, like mafia, they enter a circle where everyone is silent about others’ crime as they all share the same dirt and would all be discovered after one of them starts to speak. They are expected not to talk about that, or other morbid deals they discussed there in private, and it keeps them alert. Some of visitors could be into that being dangerous pervs and power addicts, and Epstein shared trafficked children like wine with premium guests, but the more important aspect is that child abuse was a glue that cemented that sect, shut their mouths for life and led to a perfectly timed murder of an organizer in a guarded cell.
nytimes.com/…/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
Behind the Bastards Bill Gates.
Part 1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFS9DFXtj1M
Part 2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV5d2_o1Gl0
The NY Times article is paywalled, but BtB goes into more detail anyway. Gates was invited to and visited Epstein’s island or at least one of this parties. Claimed they weren’t really his thing, but left it at that. Gates was definitely in a position to have done more to expose Epstein if he wanted. Supposedly, Bill Gate’s name being on the list was the catalyst Melinda Gates divorcing his ass.
archive.is/Lvbfj
And surely whoever held the evidence also used it for leverage, whether by explicit blackmail or merely implicitly as a chilling effect. I wonder how many investigations got black-holed by passing through a compromised leader’s desk, or got iced by a simple phone call.
I don’t know why conspiracy theorists talk about subterranean lizard shapeshifters when the real shadow government is right here, just an inch below the surface of public knowledge.
There are pedos everywhere. Being rich just enables them.
Yeah, this is the cold reality a lot of people don’t want to realize.
I don’t think there are, not pedos anyways, these children are largely post pubescent, which means by definition they aren’t?
I’m pretty sure it’s a power thing. Cross wealth and power with taboo fetishes, and this is what you get.
If we want to sus out truth, we have to first look at these problems correctly. We will never figure these things out, and find actual fixes, if we don’t do that first.
Though, most threads like these really have no interest in actually solving these problems, which means taking a hard & critical look at them, but instead focus largely on shit-slinging because that feels better.
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My bad, I thought there was a genuine interest in actually solving these problems. Which starts with analyzing it, you know, like professionals.
This really is just like reddit, low quality discussion, emotional, meme, and joke based threads…etc
It is nobody’s profession to solve problems on social media. In fact, few problems can be solved on social media. Additionally, few professionals are interested in solving problems for free, and in the comments of some random thread on obscure social media. I don’t know what you thought lemmy was but it is effectively reddit for people who don’t want to support reddit.
When a fry cook gets caught fucking kids it isn’t huge international news
Serious answer, as someone who’s been through years of therapy.
Pretty much everyone rich and powerful experienced intense trauma early in life. And one of the horrible ways our early childhood trauma plays itself out is by causi us to recreate it on younger generations. You don’t just wake up one day as a child molester. That shit was visited upon you in some fashion when you were a child.
Our entire culture is based on generational trauma (strongly suggest you read the Myth of Normal by Gabor Mate).
People who seek power and fame are almost all incredibly damaged from a very young age. Not necessarily an excuse, but if you want to stop the cycle you have to be able to step back far enough to see it.
Why are there so many pedos among the rich
There's a decent number of pedos among all classes, but the rich ones can get away with it easier
Yea, every 5-6 years it seems like someone within a few degrees of separation from me gets arrested for some pedo shit. It makes it hard to trust anyone. This year there were two. It’s fucking terrifying.
It's almost like you don't hear about people in other classes because unless they commit some particularly heinous instance or attack a large number of kids, that shit is basically reported on once and forgotten.
I think it's a power thing. If sex is perceived as a power thing, than what's the most vagrant display of power? I'd argue child sex slave
Yes, but probably flagrant not vagrant.
Having power has been shown to reduce your brain's capacity for empathy. Neurologically, the rich actually are more capable of evil than normal people.
And having no empathy makes it more enjoyable to fuck people over to become rich. Maybe not a consideration for royals who were born into wealth, but certainly a factor in the circles they move in.
I think you might have it backwards. An empathy deficit (sociopathy) is highly correlated with the C-suite. It's not that sociopathy makes a person a better leader. It doesn't. It's more that a person with dark triad traits isn't going to care who they step on or what lines they cross to get there.
In other words, they were already screwed up.
So selection bias, basically. Leaders aren’t always sociopaths but sociopaths are more likely to be in leadership roles due to their lack of concern for the means that get them to their end.
Torment away.
Oh won’t somebody please think of the poor prince.
Reap what you sow, cunt.
Is he sweating?
Wow, I’m not tormented at all. I guess if you don’t diddle kids you have nothing to worry about…
Can we start calling him "The Royal formally known as Prince"?
The Andrew formerly known as Prince
I like how he had to pay Guiffre and she still gets to fuck him back :)
FAFO asshole
Good.
Tormented like he’s being sex trafficked under-age? Afraid like if he doesn’t do what the men say that they’ll torture him and he’s powerless to stop them? That kind of tormented?
Tormented like having to ask King Chuckie to send out the Gestapo to arrest anyone who mentions the diddling again
I’m sure Barbara Streisand would love for it to go away.
I mean everyone already knows his name is on the list so idk what he has to worry about lol.
He either can’t read the room or it’s worse then we already knew about. Probably both.
Because he knows his name will be on the frontpages again.
Loser ass POS.
Good.
Good.
Hey Prince Andrew, if the truth hurts then maybe it’s you that’s in the wrong?
And in a hole with this guy. Also everyone else involved in this pure evil and disgusting shit.
He has money. Unless that list shows he stole money from another richie he’ll be just fine. Too bad
He’s a senior citizen, that is such a weak grab for pity.
Why do the good ones die so young?
Welp then he should have spent more time with mummy instead of raping children on an island
I cannot even pretend to have sympathy for this bastard
Don’t forget we all thought she was going to live forever…
And his mother was also a bitch for protecting her rapist son.
She also allowed the mistreatment of her two mentally handicapped cousins to continue until they died alone in mental institutions.
Poor widdle nepobaby
He’s embarrassed, not tormented.
The girls and boys he probably raped were tormented.
Classic DARVO technique by the prince
If this is torment, how would you describe what those children went through?
He should be tormented. In fact I propose he be placed in stocks in the town square so that people could pelt him with rotten produce and spit on him.
I say we give him to the Irish, wouldnt be the first time they killed a pedophilic English prince.
Reminder that the king was also best buds with Jimmy Savile and I refuse to believe he wasn’t aware of the rumors. Also refuse to believe the king didn’t know Epstein, when Epstein was partying on Royal properties with the Kings family and friends.
The entire Royal Family knew exactly what was going on. No coincidence that as soon as Andrew made an absolute embarrassment of himself in that infamous interview, he’s suddenly out of sight and the British media suddenly shuts up about it.
Everyone knew, especially the 45th US president seen in many photos and videos with Epstein.
He’s fucking 70 or something.
He’s fucking 70? I thought he preferred them younger
This website is abysmal; nearly unusable, jumping all over the place. Not quite as bad as the topic, but… giving it a run for its money.
If it’s that hard for him, just think how his victims feel.
title is unfortunately metaphorical, no one is actually tormenting this child rapist
To avoid torment, have you considered not fucking kids?