Iceland to hold referendum on resuming EU membership bid (www.dw.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 01:28
https://lemmy.world/post/43941762

Iceland’s government has said a vote on resuming accession talks with the EU will be held in August. Iceland withdrew from talks in 2013 — but rising costs, the war in Ukraine and US imperialism have prompted a rethink.

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jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 07 Mar 02:41 collapse

Referendums seem like a terrible idea in this day and age. The modern information environment is essentially a poisoned well, and asking people to make an informed decision about something like this is just asking for trouble.

Referendums are how you get Brexit

Humanius@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 07:01 next collapse

You cannot really do something as fundamentally impactful as joining the EU without explicit consent from the people though.

This is also not a referendum on joining the EU yet, but rather one to restart negotiations. There will be another referendum once the deal for Iceland joining the EU has been completed, to check with the people whether they find the terms acceptable.

There are ways to hold referendums on this that are better than how the shitshow that was Brexit was handled.

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 07 Mar 14:18 collapse

There are ways to hold referendums on this that are better than how the shitshow that was Brexit was handled.

Not sure what you mean with this. How do you hold a referendum that ensures people aren’t affected by misinformation, in this day and age when conservatives control all the major social media platforms?

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 16:22 collapse

Referendums are democracy. You’re saying that democracy is a terrible idea because people are misinformed. That’s always been true. People are stupid and ignorant but it’s the best we’ve got.

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 07 Mar 16:39 collapse

If “the best we’ve got” gives us the meteoric rise of the extreme right, then it maybe isn’t as good as you think it is

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 16:55 collapse

What would you replace democracy with?

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 07 Mar 17:46 collapse

I can’t point out problems with a system unless I can come up with an alternative?

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 17:55 collapse

I said it’s the best we’ve got. You implied it wasn’t (“maybe isn’t as good as you think it is”).

So you agree it’s the best we’ve got?

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 07 Mar 18:04 collapse

SO YoU agRee It’s THE BeSt WE’vE gOt?

Fucking reddit-brained gotcha tactics, great stuff

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 18:10 collapse

If we had something better you’d be able to list it. You clearly can’t so it is the best we have.

Guy uses Sponge Bob alternating case to complain about “reddit-brained tactics”.