Calls for boycotting US products spread in northern Europe
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from imvii@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 2025 17:21
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from imvii@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 2025 17:21
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www.buy-european-made.eu
european-alternatives.eu
And for us Canadian, there is always madeincanadadirectory.ca
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Is there a āBuy Africanā list? I wasnāt able to find one so far.
In South Africa, the law determines that if somethingās labeled āProduct of South Africaā it canāt have any imported ingredients (tho the packaging can be imported).
āProduced in South Africaā can have imported ingredients - and Iāve been boycotting almost all of that because of the omnicidal carbon footprint of importing things. Itās easier in this country to live ethically tho because we can grow almost everything we need: from food to textiles; tho our energy production is some of the most unethical in the world.
Interesting, thanks
Thank you!
As a Canadian, I have no problem supporting our EU friends.
And to be honest, just looking at the list you can tell that the ethics within those companies are completely different than what you find with the American alternatives.
Even without a dictator leading the States, buying European would still be better. š¤
Pretty wild, actually!
Can you somehow add content to these lists? I think I didnāt see Galaxus (european Amazon alternative) on there anywhere :)
Kind of ironic that the people joined facebook groups for thatā¦
Make due with the tools you have at hand.
Change the system from within.
Facebook makes a certain amount of money per person. Itās probably not that high.
If they can easily gather and find simple quick replacements for US goods that probably affects the US economy more.
I donāt use Facebook for this myself, but have made lots of changes effectively now moving large sums of money from US companies to EU equivalents. There are still some stuff left, but most things are changed.
I think that has a bigger effect and is a lot easier
Good to see major news agencies pick this up.
I deleted my Disney plus and Amazon prime accounts last week and it felt so damn good.
Good on Ya!
I deleted Netflix yesterday. Was a bit more challenging than the other ones. We have sort of always had Netflix here in Norway.
Now we subscribe to a Norwegian service that includes Britbox instead. It has some US shows as well, but mainly European
Do leave a negative review on their app page.
Economic death to America!
Iām not saying I want this to happen, but it might just be more effective to have a foreign nationās intelligence service wipe out Elon Musk . I mean, I donāt want him to die or anything, but if you could just do a Jimmy Hoffa and make sure that nobody ever finds his remains that would be just swell ļæ¼ļæ¼
Wasnāt he supposed to be going to Mars anyway?
If you want, Moscow is the Mars I hope he ends up abandoned on the planet with no one to talk to except Matt Damon
Take a page from China and remind him whoās the boss. When was the last time you heard of Jack Ma?
Fuck yea, keep doing this! People around me in the USA are fucking morons and canāt be bothered to do this. Even the liberals that complain about their corporate masters are too chicken shit to do it.
Iāve been waiting 10 years for this to catch on.
I've been avoiding corps for years. My impact on the current boycott will be the same as it's been all along. Talk it up, those of us have adapted can help others to get on board.
I have been trying so damn hard to talk it up. Doesnāt help that I live in MAGA-town USA at the moment.
I even handhold my closest friends (self-proclaimed liberals) on how to stop feeding the beast, and they think Iām over-reacting. Most folks in the USA are justā¦ not willing to back up the things that come out of their mouth.
It's a small thing, and at least please know that you have allies and sympathetic minds here on Fedi.
Can we start a community in a National Forest somewhere? Since doge fired most of the national park rangers, we shouldnāt have too much trouble and can guarantee that at least that particular area stays clear of garbage and deforesting.
I like your thinking! I've got a mountain, you know, just pointing a finger over there.
Make a dent on us corp earning report, stock market is actually one of few sources Trump might listen.
This. Today I switched all my investments to Euro/EU only companies and funds, everything that has USD or US companies in the portfolio was a no-go.
Yup, me too. By coincidence Iāve moved from us platform to an non-us one so that nice too.
The idea isnāt to eliminate all spend, itās the low hanging fruit and then go from there. Iām seeing it as a game with badges to collect!!
For people who invest into MSCI world check out DBX0VH. MSCI ex-US.
www.justetf.com/en/etf-profile.html?isin=IE0006WWā¦
As an American I support this action.
I feel bad that as consumers at best we label all under Trumpās banner, at worst we donāt have the ability to punish only the red states like government tariffs can do
Stay strong
Same, the only language Trump Co. speak is money, gotta hit em where it hurts.
Bro, me too, fuck everything about trump, and right now, fuck us. Iām not buying shit unless I have to. Except from local shops.
Iāve felt this way since Mango Mussoliniās first term.
This first US company they (and everyone) needs to boycott is Meta.
Iām in Canada and Facebook is huge for my business. We get more bang out of a free social media post than paying for advertisements anywhere.
I fricking HATE IT.
On a personal level, I almost never use facebook. I refuse to put it on my phone and really only use it not to post stuff for the business - which I do through a 3rd party social media app.
FB is huge in Canada for personal stuff too, me and my friends do not post meal pic or vacation or things like this, but damn marketplace and some hobbies group are strong there. Just the āMade in Canadaā FB group grew from 50ā000 members to 1.1 million in less than a month.
FB can be easily replaced with Lemmy, itās just a question of age/generation I guess
Arenāt there actually tiktok alternatives Iām the Fediverse, rather than suggesting something thatās use case is different?
Edit: I meant to say Facebook alternativesā¦
I meant FB groups, they are jusr like Lemmy communities: itās a question of a topic + a group of people
Loops, but itās still almost alpha.
no not really, its a totally different thing. you cant follow people here, nobody here uses their real name, and you canāt limit visibility of content to just friends. marketplace is also not a thing, and that feature is not just yet another community
I said that a Facebook group is like a Lemmy community, not that Lemmy can replace Facebook. You got friendica for that (never used it though) For marketplace replacement, Flohmarkt is coming
Check belowā¦
you did. check above
Pretty sure you can follow people on mbin.
I wish Friendica would take off more.
Unsure about that in terms of business pages but I suppose you can if you try hard enough: side bar for standard info, posts for events and communication. The only thing it lacks is the followers portion that acts as soft advertisement, e.g. if your friend follows something, you can see it.
Lemmy is more an alternative to reddit. Friendica is the alternative to FB from the fediverse
āAll it takes for evil to succeed, is good people to say, āitās just business.āā - Janet Leahy, Michael Reisz
Donāt feel bad for using it for your business.
As you said, a free post is better than paid ads somewhere else. And you donāt use it personally, thatās the great part. Moreover, you use lemmy. Kudos to you
Norway walked that back.
Norway says it will keep supplying fuel to US navy after company calls for boycott
Fucking cowards. āFree worldā my ass
It was a private company that decided not to provide their refueling services to the American Navy, not the Norwegian government. What the government is saying is that they will not be not doing the same that Haltbakk Bunkers is doing. But this company stays firm. The practical effects will probably be minimal, since they are an important but rather small actor in the sector. But as a Norwegian, I am proud of them! (And not so much of my government).
Itās gas the way they used the word āshitshowā in their press release.
Really awesome what Haltbakk Bunkers is doing! Proud of dutch pension fund ABP selling all their tesla stock
Add Google to that.
Thatās true, but first we need to reach enough people to get the movement going. In the meantime they should just turn on their adblockers.
Absolutely! Remove all meta apps and close your accounts. Zuck is a big suckup to Trump and his software collects and sells your data as if there is no tomorrow
Meta is bad although I would argue that X and Tesla are worse.
As a Canadian in this shit for a month, go for it!!! My last groceries contained 0% products from USA, if itās doable for us Canadian, you can do it too! And donāt forget to cancel netflix, disney+, prime, etc.
Iām an American and I appreciate your effort
I imagine that would be very easy, outside of software and digital services.
Even in Canada Iāve nearly managed.
Why outside those services? You really think itās not possible yet?
I mean, Iām close, but Iām tech savvy and willing to just not be on the same social media platforms as other people. Even then, if I want to stream something without sailing the high seas non-American options are limited, although that of course might be different in Europe.
Fun fact, a lot of āAmericanā stuff is filmed in Canada anyway.
Well, if content comes from Canada itās just a question of server hosting. You refer to Netflix and co? Thatās a wip everywhere I guess www.reddit.com/r/newfoundland/s/jkna5XzvxH
Boycotts echo louder than speeches; Haltbakk Bunkers leads by example.
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Fuck Coca-Cola drink Irn Bru! <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ffd2704b-ed85-48d4-a191-a308e8b381f9.gif">
I wouldāve agreed with you a decade or two ago, but they changed the recipe.
I would if I could
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn-Bru
lol
āOriginally selling it as Iron Brew, the drinkās makers, A.G. Barr, were forced to change the name of the drink in 1946 following a change in the law that stipulated that the marketing of products be āliterally trueā. As the drink did not contain much iron, nor was it brewedā
āThe brand also has its own tartanā
I sell this in my store in Canada.
I would love an Irn Bru sugar version. I donāt like the taste of Aspartame
Irn Bru 1901 is that - and itās caffeine free. The only irn bru Iāll drink now.
Made in Scotland from GIRDERS
People should focus on boycotting evil corporations in favor of open, sustainable and fair alternatives. Picking a fight against another nation is only taking people away from that objective
No. People should boycott all companies which operates in an evil country. There exist plenty of ethical companies that arenāt from usa.
Which countries arenāt evil? I believe we are all on the same boat here thatās why people need to help each other rather than picking up nationalistic fights.
Sorry, but usa is indeed very much more evil than most other countries. E.g. overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries, committing war crimes, taking the side of other countries invading others, etc. All countries are not equally bad and usa is one of the worst, especially with Trump in power.
UK is a monarchy, Italy is ruled by a fascist pm, France is about to pass the worst surveillance law in the EU. Are we supposed to buy goods only from corporations in iceland?
Not sure what your point is regarding the UK being a monarchy.
Itās a Constitutional Monarchy, which means that the monarch isnāt allowed to make decisions by itself.
Thereās still a representational government there. There are elections every so often.
Also I donāt see the evil in a monarchy either.
It seems reality-denying to me to say āthere are only companies, not countriesā
Obviously there are countries and governments and states.
Do you think the boycott of South Africa was a bad idea?
Iām not familiar with South Africa which boycott?
That little apartheid thingy.
Companies should be taxed incrementally like individuals are. That way mega corporations would be much less likely to exist
Thatās Terror
Thatās Terror
Iām boycotting everything. Shopping local if I have to have something. Cash only. I only carry my bank card and one credit card for emergencies.
I fully support this movement, but I expect itās mainly an echo bubble and will remain as such. Leave the fediverse and subreddits and most people wonāt even care.
My gf (who is not on the fedivere or any social media) came to me the other day and wanted to stop buying U.S products. Not that we really did before. Spendrups make better soft drinks than Coca-Cola and Pepsi anyway.
Same, my wife and girlfriend told me about it before I found out here. Seems to be spreading on TikTok.
Are your wife and girlfriend on good terms? ššš¦
Itās a polycule, so yes. Like a standard relationship with two people, but itās three.
Oh thatās great! I thought it was a typo, but people loving each other in whatever fashion suits them best is way better ā¤ļø
Not to discount your perspective, but I think itās important to also acknowledge the close connection that you have.
My spouse is much more tuned in to things like this than many of their peers, not necessarily because they have more interest, but because we have a close relationship and so we share stuff a lot.
Oh thatās great though. I really do hope that Iām proven wrong š
Iām trying to think, apart from technology, what do I buy from American brands?
Sure there might be the odd brand that is unknowingly American, but Iām left asking āWhat does America export?ā because I canāt think of much in my life.
American cars are niche, but somewhat popular where I live. Thereās 3 companies specializing in selling and servicing American cars here in Estonia that I can think of right away, but probably more in total. But the new American car sales arenāt very good because theyāre all so massive and expensive, the only target audience is people who like to show off AND have a lot of cash (or a lot of them are company cars tbh, you can register a big ass pick-up truck as an N1 cargo van and spend less tax if you use it for personal purposes, compared to using an M1 passenger car for personal purposes. Somehow. I donāt remember the specifics).
Iād absolutely be buying myself a GMC Yukon Denali or maybe a Lincoln Navigator if 1) I was living in America with the wide ass roads and big parking spots, and everyone else driving big trucks too, 2) It had a V8 diesel available instead of the V8 petrol engine and 3) I had way too much money to spend.
A lot of supermarket food brands are American. You might be surprised if you start looking. Both my deodorant and toothpaste is from Unilever, for instance.
Unilever is UK based and was UK/Dutch before that. Does it being a multinational make it American enough for you?
Hmm I guess I was misinformed. Unilever was included in one of those āboycott USā posts recently.
Unilever is English/Dutch so I donāt think theyāre a concern.
This sounds great. But if you didnāt buy anything in the first place thereās also zero effect of boycotting. Then the movement can of course succeed quite easily, but at no net gain.
I feel like you tried to dodge the elephant in the room: the tech. The hardest part to get rid of is the technology, and in particularly the tech stack. Social media, servers, windows, outlookā¦ The dependency is real at all levels, and Iāve yet to hear of any company trying to escape. This is also where I believe the boycott will fail at an consumer level, people will keep using META, stream from Netflix, order from Amazon etc. Since people are still using these, so will our companies and politicians.
Well exactly. Tech is about the only thing I can think of boycotting. I can certainly do services with little harm, but hardware is difficult.
Ah, now I understand!
That is a great point. Itās indeed really tricky to e.g., build a modern pc without American owned semiconductor companies when it comes to processors and graphic cards. Thereās likeā¦ British ARM processors which isnāt really suited for most applications.
Arm isnāt even owned by Brits anymore. SoftBank has a majority holding in them (Japan)
Thereās Chips from companies like intel and Software like Windows from Microsoft and Mac from Apple. Then thereās digital infrastructure like Amazon and social media, or even credit cards can come from the US.
Itās also not just buying software that supports the US but using it can too, because they can use their data for advertising and other goals. So you should move to open source alternatives for software that Europe doesnāt have any good alternative for (eg. Linux instead of Windows) or find a European alternative.
I already use Linux though. Donāt even drive and my bike is British. Most of the stuff we buy is German as we shop at Aldi.
Which is why I excluded technology.
Spendrups is a licensed Coca Cola factory. Make sure to check for any such shenanigans before buying Spendrups.
www.spendrups.se/varumarken/coca-cola/
Sure they produce coca-cola under licence. But theyāre not owned by them. They also produce Cuba Cola and Trocadero. Vastly superiors sodas.
Same link is on the front page of reddit.com
Wouldnāt say that, after Gaza people are quite used to boycott certain wares.
I know a lot of people irl which already donāt buy coke or eat McDonaldās anymore
Iāve spent a fair bit of time in Denmark, small population with fewer news sources makes thing spread VERY quickly. Not to mention, they are very patriotic. Iāll ask some Danish friends about it and report back.
The Canadian one has really taken off. Its not just on Lemmy. Im seeing more Canadian products on the checkout line than ever before and Ive even started seeing rotting American produce at our local store.
Everyone I talk to irl is limiting their US product purchases. Canadians are pissed.
Oh I do believe in this one! My response was rather eurocentric, I realize that now. The Canadians are even more hurt as it stands right now, and their response is incredible.
Perhaps Iāll see a greater response in my own community when the pointless tariffs also hit EU. Currently people are plenty pissed about US aligning themselves with Russia. It wonāt take too much to ignite it further.
I do hope that Iām proven wrong, and that the boycott US movement is doing better than I thought š
It is really taking hold. Honestly, we are not far from it becoming social stigma to buy American. Showing up with a Starbuckās cup will get noticed.
Huh, would have thought American produce is too full of preservatives to rot
Iāve heard more about it elsewhere. Itās very real. It was on national tv news the other day, and some grocery chain is marking European products to help customers and such. Iām not sure how big the economic impact will be though. Where I shop, most stuff is already local.
Awesome! š
Perhaps itās me who is in a bubble IRL!
Even if the economic impact turns out to be negligible it is clear to me that the movement is born out of a change in mentality, which Iād argue is even more important then the monetary impact.
I wish people would boycott spending on the big holidays. Thatāll hurt the oligarchs the most.
Big holidays? America will be in a recession by Easter at this rate
Iām down, anyone have a great list with images I can use so I know which groceries to avoid?
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/e218c935-6d7b-42f1-bbbd-5c44d64d464d.png">
Thanks! I should have been more specific, I was thinking more in the groceries department.
I use the āNo Thanksā app, but only as a starting point to then confirm if what they say itās true. I donāt like that itās closed source, but at least itās an option. Also, I should note that some brands are ethical in some countries or states, but not globally, so you should check local resources for better results š§
Pretty sure Brave is American.
Itās also sketchy.
Bluesky is also an American platform.
Mozilla is also American.
Yeah, thereās a couple of issues with this graph.
Should have listed at least a Firefox fork instead, especially with the recent change in the ToS.
With the exception of nextcloud and firefox, those are all crap.
Yeah, that Lemmy thing is extremely crap.
Itās not terrible, but not a proper substitute. All the niche communities are very much dead. On the other hand you have an overload of leftist politics, linux, and gaming. Nothing inherently wrong with those either, but Iām missing a fair balance.
The only one here I use on the left is YouTube, and I specifically pirate their videos to host over LAN.
You can block ads too so they donāt make money.
You can block ads too so they donāt make money.
I use AdNauseam to click all of them instead.
That is cool. Thanks for sharing.
ReVanced is just youtube thoughā¦
Hereās one with images (not 100% US specific): <img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/dbd65e3c-f9dd-4ab3-8529-465b8d19c9c2.jpeg">
great! as an American please keep it up. the only thing these assholes understand is money. support us by NOT supporting us!
Each day now, I donāt buy a Tesla or an iPhone or a New York Penthouse.
That must be difficult, youāre going through a lot and Iām here if you need someone to talk to.
American here: genuinely, go for it. If you want to be even more highly targeted, you can also take a page out of Canadaās book: theyāre encouraging people to target things that are produced in red states specifically, in addition to a general push for a boycott. Bourbon (from Kentucky), for instance.
As an American here, I think I might join them. Start buying more Canadian goods.
Hah, same.
Like their whiskey!
That was my first thought. I want to find one that is smaller and distributed near me.
I might start with Crown Royal. At least the owning company is British (they also own my favorite American whiskey.)
Most grocery stores now highlight Canadian goods next to the price tag on the shelf
That āMade in Americaā logo is going to start being viewed very differently than when I was a kid.
Petition your governments to drop IP laws for US tech companies like Doctorow is encouraging. If the US isnāt going to honor trade agreements, hit us right in our gold plated scrotum.
And stop enforcing them FOR them. Iāll never understand US export laws !
Unfortunately thereās hardly any American product I use here in Malaysia, so I canāt make any sort of impact.
The only American things I use are various software applications I need for work (and no, as an employee I canāt simply switch to FOSS).
<img alt="Top 20 US Food Companies and Their Brands" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/450001c7-cce1-4ecf-b03f-b46e929b9131.png">
Edit: Iām on mobile and canāt tell if this uploaded blurry or not (looks kinda rough to me). Hereās the source.
It was low res. Thanks for the link. It was high res there š
Not sure this is correct though. Of course all these companies are multinationals, but not all of these are American companies. For example Unilever is British and Nestle is Swiss (have not checked them all).
Right, I think itās maybe representing the 20 highest grossing food brands in the US, whether theyāre US companies or not.
However NestlƩ has a whole host of reasons for their own boycott, straight evil stuff they are directly responsible for.
Pretty sure Nestle is Swiss and Saputo is Canadian. No doubt they have big US operations.
Good and the Orange Shitstain wants the EU to import more US made goods. Canada should cut the electric power flowing to the USA when the US tariffs commence.
Put it under āmaintenanceā.
āCalls for Europe to stop eating garbage food like Americans.ā Sounds like a good idea to me.
We have our own garbage food. If you donāt go to McDonaldās or Burger King, you can go to Hesburger or whatever else your region has. Admittedly still inspired by American garbage food, but profits European companies.
Hesburger? Interesting, Iāll have to look that up, havenāt heard of it.
Finland and Baltics mostly. Itās the biggest chain here in Estonia by locations (unless you count gas stations), but probably 2nd in popularity because McDonaldās seems more popular. Idk if they put crack on their fries or what, but itās just not comparable.
Close, copious amounts of sugar
Like we arent doing that already
Iām American (embarrassed to say that right now) and came to visit this site to get off Reddit. Even we are exploring non-US options.
Welcome and have fun! Glad to see you over on this side :)
Donāt be embarrassed of being an American, you can be embarrassed of your politicians, of the people that represent you without being embarrassed of where you were born. You can criticize all the bads things in your country (and your country has done) while also being proud of the good things!
But to be fair, you were warned about political parties from the start of your democracy, and even with the warning having just 2 is terrible.
The american politicians are fine, what gaslighting is this the world loves doing to America? fucking ridiculous. EU flooded with muslims and stabbings look inside your own shit country before critisizing America.
America is fucking garbage. Shut the fuck up.
make sure to leave a negative review of the reddit app.
Palestine? bunch of fucking muslim thieves, why do you muslims occupy land in Armenia? and why do you genocide turkey christians? fucking palestine npc
Iāve been boycotting Starbucks for 10 years because itās shit coffee, and McDonalds for 30 years because itās shit food.
American food is the worst thing you can ever ingest.
Can we collectively decide not to respect American intellectual property laws to really hit the tech sector where it hurts? We donāt get that many physical goods over here but most of our software is American owned. I advocate for not paying American tech companies anymore.
EU regulations that can be triggered in response to tariffs include an option to make that completely legal
Edit because Iām getting asked for a source: EU Anti Coercion Instrument that got passed in 2021 and came into effect in December 2023: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=ā¦
Specifically Annex I, paragraph 7:
This applies to copyright and patents, but not trademarks as far as I know.
This sounds really interesting, do you have a link or anything I could look for in a quick search to learn more?
Search for Anti-Coercion Instrument, the one that came into effect in December 2023
That would be amazing! It would actually have some teeth
We need our own tech stack, that is at least verifyable. Itās due time to kick out the American tech giants from government projects etc.
With America possibly becoming the new Russia it is just not safe to rely on Microsoft, Apple, Aws etc.
We need an Europan open source stack.
What kind of stack are you thinking of?
Iām trying to make a google stack replacement, which can also extend to microsoft
Thatās worse. If someone was telling me about āgoogle or microsoft stacksā without explaining what it is, I would laugh.
Are you talking about OS, mobile OS, GUI, web, SaaS, APIs, services, subscriptions, servers, cloud, VMs, ā¦? What the fuck is a stack? Stack is a term that has been stolen by web devs and means nothing anymore.
ā¦the services provided by google?
You tell me. What is a Google stack? What is a Microsoft stack? The other guy was talking about a ātech stackā which practically means nothing.
Googleās stack is the services they provide, so google docs is an example, google drive, hangouts, gmail, that bunch
And the mirror from microsoft like m$ word, outlook, their cloud i forget the name of, minishit teams
That type of shit, what else would i be talking about? It was very clear from the beginning
Iām a programmer. I was expecting languages, OS, open-source, APIs, file formats. What we have been calling āstacksā for the past 30 years but which has been hijacked by web devs.
Weāre talking about more common folk, not whether a 5 line piece of code is memory safe in rust, which common folk donāt care about
With this im referring to more of what i could call a software stack
Theres not just 1 kind of stack :^) its not static, you should know this
Piracy!
If we start ignoring the laws, we are no better than Trump and his
clownsclan. Go for the alternatives instead. Also, If you keep using the US software they still get all anvertisement and telemetry which is more valuable to them than the software itself anyway.intellectual property laws are idiotic laws.
Youāre entitled to that opinion, and feel free to suggest a change of law, but for now ā¦ itās still the law. And obeying only the laws that suits your goals is very much Trump/MAGA style. Letās not get down to their level.
āFascism is when piracyā. What a take
If you want to learn how to do successful boycott campaigns, you should look for the BDS Movement, that has worked to spread awareness to boycott companies affiliated with the illegal Israeli occupation and genocide against Palestinians.
And no surprise, you will find many US companies in there. Also it should come as no surprise, that the US wants to outlaw even talking about boycotts in many states, as well as corrupt European politicians like in Germany attacking the notion of boycotting companies involved with brutal crimes against humanity.
We need to join efforts in reducing the economic power of Imperialism, whichever shape it takes.
bdsmovement.net
<img alt="" src="https://feddit.org/pictrs/image/1cf6b416-8daa-4e59-8245-1fb11e3e51cb.png">
Sodastream? What did they do?
Itās an Israel-based company www.cjpme.org/fs_244
Looks like they had some facilities on palestinian land.
bdsmovement.net/ā¦/sodastream-close-illegal-settleā¦
palestenian land my ass, fucking muslims are the biggest land thieves then you cunts want to cry when israel fucks you up.
It is an Israeli company that used to operate a plant in illegally occupied territory in the Westbank as well as mistreating Palestinian workers. It moved to a factory in the Negev desert inside the 1967 borders. The new factory however is part of displacing Palestinian Bedouins that live in the Negev. Also the mistreatment of Palestinian workers continued.
Ultimately of course all Israeli companies also pay corporate taxes which finance the Israeli executive such as Army, Police forces and Intelligence.
bdsmovement.net/ā¦/āsodastream-still-subject-boycoā¦
www.cjpme.org/fs_244
Illegally occupied? rather be quiet you clown this war started 1400 years ago when the stupid profit of Islam attacked the jewish people stop spouting stupid shit about occupied when muslims are occupying Armenia and genocide many christians for their land then you want to talk about occupied, you fucking degenerate.
Sodastream have a nasty habit of looking for a vulnerable, oppressed population, building a factory on illegally stolen land, hiring a few of the locals for peanuts and then screaming that they are āhelpingā them.
Did it to the Palestinians in the West Bank and when that failed relocated it in land confiscated from the Bedouins. Itās in an artificial forced resettlement area where Bedouins have been forced to live in an Israeli-constructed town and industrial park.
Sodastream used to have a factory in the West Bank where they employed hundreds of Palestinians. Because of boycott pressure, they moved and hundreds of Palestinian workers lost their jobs.
npr.org/ā¦/when-500-palestinians-lose-their-jobs-aā¦
BDS only cares about hurting Israel, no matter the consequences to Palestinians.
Awesome. I hadnāt heard of this.
Quick look at their website shows theyāve actually achieved some pretty great things.
This is a great example. You canāt just stop buying everything. Boycotting specific companies with specific demands is the way.
Hereās to hoping trump tariff war makes those stupid American pick-up trucks a lot more expensive to buy in EU. I hope the douchebags that bought them before have to pay way higher prices for parts now.
Not to mention Tesla.
Fuck us up, yāall!
Sincerely,
Ashamed American
Another terrible situation like Brexit - where the voices of many reasonable people are ignored. Feel free to come to Europe any time
You should be ashamed for the past 4 years.
In what way exactly is the current administration better?
Will do traitors <3 Get an earthquake from all the ww2 vets and former presidents spinning in their graves from whats going on with you <3
In solidarity with you, brother.
ā Likewise, an ashamed American.
And so: Hello Lemmy! Here I am! Left āsocialsā like reddit, dropped hotmail and google accounts ā¦ iāts not much but itās start <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5b3ac04f-ff38-4baf-8b99-22c6c3bf2e8d.png">
Welcome, new one!
Welcome!
Welcome - just did the same myself or still in the transition of it. Soaking up so much information about how to take data / information in my own hands again.
Welcome! :D
What exactly does the US produce that is imported into the EU? Consumer market, of course, where one person has choice in the matter.
Guns
Thatās like saying you import cars because theyāre big in American culture.
The differences are similar. American ones are large, vainglorious, and for purposes the user will never encounter.
European ones are precision engineered to the function required.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAKO
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta
Beretta is French and Glock is Austrian.
Europe produces its own
tech
Europe produces that themselfs and has potential to build the few things it doesnt build right now
Migrating cloud servers to European hosters. Give EU money to improve/build a linux desktop. Use that desktop in government, schools, universitiesā¦ (instead of Windows). Fork Firefox. Host fediverse services and use them where the governments use Twitter / TikTok / Insta.
Harder: Mandate for mobile phones with a user installable OS (Cyanogen etc.) Force tech companies to provide total transparency about data usage. Cancel any safe harbor agreements.
In the end, everything the Open Source crowd wished for.
Btw, Iād have no issues with American / Russian / China hosted open source stuff when we can review what it does. Ah, ok, a āeuropean code review agencyā might be a thing.
Ditch GitHub start using codeberg.
Plenty of office alternatives, outlook is easily replaced (didnāt know outlook had banner ads until recently, what a shithole)
If you prefer vscode try codium, some plugins may be missing but so is lots of ms bloat. Kate is a stellar alternative too!
Yep, I know that for myself. But I canāt switch away from github as that is where the huge company I work for has its stuff - and it needs convincing the enterprises, not the individuals.
Personally I just have my own repos which I can move anywhere in an eyeblink. But it takes political power to. move governments, departments and companies.
For example I have no way to ditch Teams or Outlook, because thatās the accounts my employer set up. I canāt ditch my RSA hardware token, because thatās what my. employerās customer uses. I canāt ditch. my work phone as only Samsung and Apple are vetted.
Thatās something that needs to change on a pan-europrean level.
I know that my country - The Netherlands imports a lot from the US, so i am trying not to. Ditched all my Meta accounts, closed Amazon account/prime and Kindle, moved away from Google to several other services, stopped several streaming services and when we buy products from the supermarket actively check wheter products are from the US, and replace them with local/EU/Canadian products.
From Canada, Iāve done the same as you, but Iām struggling to de Google. Any suggestions?
www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%ā¦
Awesome I love the visuals!
Love the irony that this is hosted on reddit
GrapheneOS, CalyxOs or LineageOs as an alternative to just using android.
F-droid and Aurora store for almost all android apps, Obtainium if you can find your way around git forges.
Tuta mail, Posteo and other alternatives for Gmail.
Firefox and Thunderbird as replacement for Chrome and Gmail app
Duckduckgo/Ecosia(uses Microsoftās Bing), Kagi(good but paid), SearX(free but you can run into limits quickly), Marginalia(nonpaid websites only) :- all are replacements for Google search, also learn to use search bangs to quickly take advantages of different search engine
i donāt use almost all of Googleās other products but a search would pop up other alternatives. Donāt forget to use Google Takeout if you have an account with them.
Goodluck!
I appreciate it thanks! Iāve been using DDG and fire fox for a while. Iāll have to look up this Google takeout. Thanks again for the tips!
Google take out worked for me to export all my google fotoās so i can save them somewhere else! I was using firefox as well, but moving now towards Librefox, duckduckgo browsers. I also like Vivaldi but not sure how good it is on the privacy meters :)
Firefox and Mozilla to a larger extent may be going down the gutter soon. They have been angling towards AI shit, and then their new terms of service debacle this last week makes it clear they want to sell your data for ads.
Iāve moved from FF to Zen browser, which is a fork. And also Librewolf, another fork.
I wanted to use GrapheneOS, but only they only officially support Pixel.
That means people have to pay Google upfront before deGoogling
Buy the phone second hand? At least your money isnāt going directly to google
good luck, and donāt flame me for using Proton lol
Wonāt flame you for using proton. Iām concerned personally because of the CEOs stance, but itās not worse than Google, and is probably at least a bit better
I found this an interesting read on it: medium.com/ā¦/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-dā¦
I donāt find it important what the CEO might or might not believe (and he does not seem to be connected to anything MAGA). If the business and servers are located in the EU I feel much better than if itās held by Google or Microsoft.
Besides, officially, Andy Yen is a strong supporter of data privacy and outspoken regarding the need for a stronger European tech sector, even going as far as calling Europe āand colony of USAā because of our dependence on US tech.
You could use services from the foes of USA like yandex and baidu
The usa is making plenty of foes.
Pretty satisfied with kmail/infomaniak
Switched from Protonmail (after being a paying email/vpn/drive customer for 5 yrs) to Fastmail. Couldnāt be happier - if you have a 1Password account you get a discount and via the integration with 1Password it auto populates masked emails for discardable logins - same as SimpleLogin for protonmail.
Kick them out of Ramstein.
Hereās to hoping this happens
Not just northern europe. In all of europe!
Oh yes. Iām a developer and Iāve stopped using DigitalOcean and switched to Hetzner.
Support your local breweries and buy their sodas and not coca cola <3 I do this and ngl Oettinger cola-mix and Riegele Spezi are amazing
Or just stop taking surgary junks
Some people want them. Dont live on just water like me. So better them drinking local things
I think the point is, go even further and stop. Of course they want it, those who buy it. Once I stopped drinking sugar drinks, they started tasting really bad when I tried them once in a while. Started preferring natural juices instead. Love my juices. Still sugary, but less processed.
I mean, thereās way more selection than just water that is still healthy.
We will play with squirrels instead of video games! And wear bedsheets instead of clothing!
Apfel Schorle is much better than a Coke anyway
Literally the only thing I miss about living in a Germanic country lmao
Wdym? We have Apfelschorle
Thatās my point, I donāt live in a Germanic country anymore and Apfelschorle (Rhabarbershorle too) is the only thing I miss
Ooooh. I understood it that you are in a germanic country and miss these things lol
But you can get apple juice and sparkling water, right?
Thatās kinda genius, I must try next time
Ā暤Ø?
Absolutely nothing else? :O
If you want to be that way: tap water is way better
This is the time for the Italian MoleCola to shine!
Is it coca cola with extra hair?
Trouble with that in the UK is Coca-cola is the only soft drink really that hasnāt bowed to the sugar tax and changed their recipe to be full of artificial sweeteners.
I absolutely canāt stand the taste of these sweeteners and some even make me feel kinda of bad after drinking them.
Guess you found a market hole :)
To be fair the sugar tax is so ridiculously harsh there is nobody but Coca Cola who hasnāt made their drinks taste horrible instead.
Idk if it has even spread to England but when I lived in Scotland I only ever bought Irn-Bru
Sorry to tell you but irn bru went from god tier to pour down the toilet tier.
They did try to pull it back with 1911 version but itās nowhere as good as it was before the sugar tax and completely uncarbonated and priced like itās liquid gold.
It hasnāt? When I was in Manchester in January, anything except the cans had a bunch of artificial sweeteners in it, in order to lower the sugar content. I donāt know if the cans are a small enough size to skirt the tax, or just not be worth raising the price over, but bottles of regular Coke definitely had artificial sweeteners in them.
Uhhhā¦ I donāt think I will
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As a mexican I can say that this will be really hard, mexicans love so much Coke btw we have popular alternatives like red cola, but Iāve only seen masons consume that product
it wonāt be hard when you understand that USA is selling you on their diseased junk just to profit off of you. We need to wake up to the fact that they are not selling us good products. They are selling us JUNK with no government oversight that is now full of GOD KNOWS WHAT just to keep it cheap, and turn a profit at the expense of your health and hard earned money.
Oh yeah i saw that in a documentary! Its called a holy drink, isnt it? A brew from god. Using it in native and catholic religiouse rituals
it is not hard to do if itās actually better. Spezi š„°
As always: the power of the working class resides in work. Organize your workplace. It doesnāt matter whether you stop buying cola, real impact will come if your workplace stops buying the overpriced 100kā¬ machine imported from the US tech sector. THATāS where you really hurt them. Consumer expenditure is a minuscule amount of relevant key US exports.
Organize your workplace, join a union and create a local branch. Join an existing revolutionary socialist party. Create mutual aid networks in your neighbourhoods.
soda is disgusting
the biggest US exports are its software products. Until the time we have a way to avoid Google, Reddit, Meta, Microsoft, ChatGPT etc, we arenāt boycotting anything meaningful.
Is there a non US search engine that queries English sites?
Iām on a now almost full boycott personally but my new Danish employer provides their employees with the newest iPhone (only phone you can chooseā¦ I tried to get another), American laptops, and uses Microsoft for everything including cloud. Itās the companies that need to start thinking and adapting. I aaked them āyou know that all of our data is held by Trump-led USA, right?ā And they just say āyea, but it is what it isā.
Have already replaced basically all US software products for personal use. Unfortunately work related stuff canāt be boycotted yet, but hopefully we can see an improvement there too ASAP. Hardware still from Apple, but will once it becomes time to replace it I will definitely switch to a HMD phone.
This is a useful collection of European software products
european-alternatives.eu
āDonāt let perfect be the enemy of goodā. With changing our grocery and household purchases, cancelling Amazon and Netflix, and looking for alternatives to U.S. products, we are all doing the best we can, and I do believe it will make a difference.
Gotten rid of nearly every US digital service I have. Physical stuff I will still probably roll with my Apple devices until they wear out since theyāre relatively new, but almost all the data and apps are basically European and/or open source services. Work related stuff remains the challenge. Next phone will be HMD.
can you imagine if the movement that we are experiencing in canada takes place all over europe? that would be huge
I think it will. China has announced sanctions on particular US companies. Iād like to see more of that on Trump-positive businesses.
Want to really hurt them?
Stop importing their oil.
Also we can hurt his lapdog, not buying Tesla, not investing in Elon shit, and of course leave X
Teslanazimobile.Good, fuck the USA and itās garbage products. Itād be harder to do if they werenāt shit now, but perpetually cutting quality is basically the USAās motto. Now they are experiencing it in the government.
Exactly this. And then try and sell us their shitty stuff thatās doused in diseases and add tariffs to it?!?! Just to suck profit out of formerly allied countries, and force them to suffer for your own gain??!
Big Fuck you USA.
Doused in diseases?
What do you mean by that? That sounds like biological warfare.
There is a long-running disagreement between the US and the EU because the EU does not allow the purchase of US poultry since it does not meet EU food standards. Put bluntly, they keep too many chickens in a too small coup, and diseases spread between them as a result on top of the sheer cruelty of it all. To compensate, they give them a lot of antibiotics, which has the effect of creating and spreading resistant superbacteria. At least thatās the allegation.
And US does not allow Camembert, raw meat, etc. From Europe.
Doesnāt Denmark use a lot of antibiotics?
Man, I wish. Preschool rocked.
You should come with me because grammar and punctuation donāt seem like a strong suit.
Also it was probably free if youāre in the EU, unlike the dude above you, lol. His parents had to get another job to pay for school.
Canadian šŖ
I wonāt go as far as to nuke all my accounts just yet but last year I made a big effort to use less of big tech companies. This is my drive to slowly continue doing that this year. I will finish my games that will not run on Linux without tinkering and then Iām quitting the hell that is Windows for good.
Guess they arenāt really our allies after all. The truth always comes out eventually.
Wtf is that supposed to mean.
Yea, your comment history reveals you to be a twat.
You can call me names. If their populationās intention is to harm us economically then maybe they arenāt great allies?
Said Canada to the USā¦
It was meant to be descriptive
Their populations intentions are to
However, the US has never been a great ally for anyone else. Historically they abandon nations whose use for them has expired. Economically and strategically they treat their so called allies as subjects, now even more so than before.
Just own it. Stop pretending that engaging in bullying insulting behavior is somehow different because YOU did it. Youāre a bully and itās ok, Iāve met a lot of bullies and you wonāt be the last. You hate anyone that disagrees with you but i donāt hate you.
I am not a bully for insulting you, unless you mean the archaic usage of bully:
Just own it. If you insult and degrade others for having a different opinion than you yes, you are a bully. Itās ok. Your hate is making you powerful. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/029647b9-e9f7-4a57-af5e-ba98466920b9.gif">
Lol okay. I do not really care if I insult people whose opinions I do not respect.
I knew you would get there.
Yeah well, I am still not a bully for insulting you and frankly this weak trolling is a little tiring.
Itās ok youāre a bully. You have insulted me and continuously harassed me for days even though I have forgiven you. Idk what more i can do to help you to become more comfortable with your new self realization of your need to harm others emotionally.
I kinda want to harm bad people emotionally with my factually correct insults though š¤
What makes them bad? That they disagree with you is the answer.That is what fuels your bullying. That and your insatiable need to taste fresh blood. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e388c3c1-9c01-464d-bb33-900195d80689.gif">
Sybau Ivan
You mean, we, the US, are no longer their allies.
Allies donāt wage trade wars against each other. Allies donāt threaten to invade you.
My Netflix membership is 10 years old. Iāve cancelled it yesterday. Also my prime membership.
Oh they are gonna love this torrents-csv.com
Alldebrid.com is French. Just use that for streaming with Stremio or Kodi + Seren
Our family Netflix subscription ran for over 10 years and yesterday I canceled it. I also canceled my subscriptions for discord, chatGPT, claude and dropbox. BOYCOTT U.S. SOFTWARE
Honest question, not making fun, not judging: why do you have a subscription for chatgpt and Claude? Do you use it that often? Or is work related?
work related. tbh i have even more AI subscriptions that I cant cancel (yet)
Just learned claude is also US. The only European AI seems to be Mistral.ai
yes, it is not bad, but a few months behind here is the ios app: apps.apple.com/de/app/ā¦/id6740410176?l=en-GB
actually works well free and generates really good images with blackforest api
and yet your country is much worse off! grow up
godspeed
Ding, dong, the reich is dead!
Drag is very much looking forward to singing this.
Fuck you Orange Clown !
boycott us, please please please please
Send this.
Cancelled a bunch of subscriptions after trump support for Ukraine. Seems like the only language americans understand is šø
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yup call the KETTLE black, wake up kids. USA is much better than other countries
Maybe North Korea but thatās about it
On which metric?
This would help the American people fight the Oligarchs. Godspeed, friends.
Actually banning Coca Cola would probably mean a lot less people becoming sick and obese