This is insane. The Soviet Union had by far the biggest losses during WW2 in the fight against Nazism. Around eight to ten million soldiers died during the war, and if you add the civilian casualties on top of that, the estimates sit at around 24 million people. Many of those people were Russian and Belorussian. Let them mourn their dead. It doesn’t matter that the Russian ambassador is a prick or not. I think it speaks volumes when the country that started WW2 does shit like this and it’s not okay.
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 09:24
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I don’t think you get to play the “well you started ww2 card” when you’re trying your damndest to start ww3 lmao
taladar@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 09:44
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On the other hand this gives Russia exactly what they want, they get to play the victim.
Russian representatives aren't being banned because of the behaviour of this ambassador. They're being banned becaue they are expected to misuse the publicity of an event where Ukrainians - the Soviet republic with the second-highest military and civilian casualties - will also be present
You've got two parts of the former Soviet Union fighting a brutal war against each other. You probably can't invite both sides to the same event and expect it to go okay. Which side do you invite? The one that didn't start the problem
Not too sure how effective this is tho, as a solution.
It seems to me like a diplomatic escalation in the sense that banning the Russian ambassador from attending this commemoration event gives Putin something to instrumentalise anyways, at least for internal consumption. In the same time this move does not apply any kind of actual pressure on Russia. So I honestly don’t know what good can come out of this move.
If Putin is going to make use of it either way, it seems to me like you might as well pick the option that makes it more likely for the event to go ahead without incident. It's not like Germany is burning any good will with Russia here, there isn't any to burn
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com
on 24 Apr 12:26
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“We don’t need a special invitation to honour the memory of the Soviet liberators and the victims of Nazism … in publicly accessible places,”
No, Nechayev, you’re Russian. Germans and, to a lesser but significant degree, EU citizens enjoy freedom of assembly and movement in Germany, everyone else is merely tolerated.
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This is insane. The Soviet Union had by far the biggest losses during WW2 in the fight against Nazism. Around eight to ten million soldiers died during the war, and if you add the civilian casualties on top of that, the estimates sit at around 24 million people. Many of those people were Russian and Belorussian. Let them mourn their dead. It doesn’t matter that the Russian ambassador is a prick or not. I think it speaks volumes when the country that started WW2 does shit like this and it’s not okay.
I don’t think you get to play the “well you started ww2 card” when you’re trying your damndest to start ww3 lmao
On the other hand this gives Russia exactly what they want, they get to play the victim.
Well, it’s Thursday.
Especially since Russia was an ally to Nazi Germany, and would have happily followed that path to the end if Hitler hadn’t turned on them.
Russian representatives aren't being banned because of the behaviour of this ambassador. They're being banned becaue they are expected to misuse the publicity of an event where Ukrainians - the Soviet republic with the second-highest military and civilian casualties - will also be present
You've got two parts of the former Soviet Union fighting a brutal war against each other. You probably can't invite both sides to the same event and expect it to go okay. Which side do you invite? The one that didn't start the problem
Not too sure how effective this is tho, as a solution.
It seems to me like a diplomatic escalation in the sense that banning the Russian ambassador from attending this commemoration event gives Putin something to instrumentalise anyways, at least for internal consumption. In the same time this move does not apply any kind of actual pressure on Russia. So I honestly don’t know what good can come out of this move.
So in the name of civility we can’t take proactive steps to limit a belligerent country’s ability to cause shit?
If Putin is going to make use of it either way, it seems to me like you might as well pick the option that makes it more likely for the event to go ahead without incident. It's not like Germany is burning any good will with Russia here, there isn't any to burn
What about the other genociders? Germany???
No, Nechayev, you’re Russian. Germans and, to a lesser but significant degree, EU citizens enjoy freedom of assembly and movement in Germany, everyone else is merely tolerated.