Israel Condemned for Bombing Rescue Workers Trying to Reach Journalist Buried Under Rubble
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from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2026 22:55
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from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2026 22:55
https://lemmy.ca/post/63759210
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/44313
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How many condemnations are we at now? I lost count.
None of this matters. Nobody is doing a thing and you can’t bring back the dead. Fuck Israel.
First, murica needs to stop giving them carte blanche, see if they smell the coffee…if they don’t…let them fight their wars alone and see if being hated and feared is enough to stay safe…
We give them a pass because they bribe our politicians via campaign contributions through AIPAC.
Yeah, it certainly is a uniparty in that respect…
israel only serves at the leisure of the usa in the ME, vice versa, and then use politicians serves at thier behest in order to countinue the expansionism of israel in the ME.
Yep, as long as the bombs and money keep flowing to them they do not care
Seriously. And the approval rate of netanyahu is like 90 percent there. Like shit man, what the fuck do you even do? None of this ends without world powers openly declaring cold war style measures at the very least. Trade embargo’s are great if its cuba, but heaven forbid you stop giving literal aid to a country doing a genocide. What the fuck.
Edit: I was wrong. No idea where I got that number from.
What?!
opinionsandratings.com/…/israel-election-opinion-…
The current faction hasn’t had the votes in years…
That’s why Bibi keeps canceling elections, if there’s an election then his party loses, hes a normal citizen again, and his corruption case (that he’s clearly guilty) finally goes to trial…
You’re right to be upset, but I have no fucking clue where you’re getting your information from.
Can you source that 90% approval rating you’re spreading?
Edit:
To be clear, there’s a 99.9999% Bibi cancels the 2026 elections like he has every year since he cancelled the 2022 elections.
Yeah after like some light googling I realize I was entirely wrong. It must have been on some specific issue that I was against and absolutely fucked up in my big dumb head. But you’re right. Thank you, some faith restored in my worldview now.
I don’t know if it was 90%, but I think he may be getting confused with the polled opinion of israelis support for action in gaza.
There’s still lots of confusion with those polls, because there’s an absolute insane amount of propaganda.
And for whatever reason, people still do t seem to even understand what propaganda means.
It’s not just something you’d read and think Israel is better, just like Bibi wants to conflate Judaism with Israel, he wants everyone outside Israel to think it’s a united front.
Bibi is 100% ok with me and you thinking he’s a genocidal maniac…
As long as we think every Israeli is too. Because then we stop talking about getting him out of power and in jail, and uninformed people start talking about treating all of Israel like theyre the problem and suddenly the united front has been “means tested” into fighting each other.
Fucking ignorance is bliss man, all this shit is as easily noticable to me as how a kid shouldn’t touch a hot stove
I had good luck in this thread yesterday so I’m optimistic that made sense. If not tho, I can try to answer from follow ups.
This is bigger than Israel, it’s one of the most common form of propaganda: divide your enemies.
Israeli citizens require a lot of deprogramming, and they are mostly saveable.
However, the bad news is that it may not be possible to do that without invading the country, since a majority of them are too far gone to accept deprogramming without serious coercion.
I look at the example of deprogramming efforts in West Germany after WW2. Denazifying efforts did exist there, despite modern western communist revisionism (not all wrong, btw, but not all correct either, check ALL sources my ML and tankie friends). It was quite difficult in many cases; even though a majority of the German population was just relieved that the war was over, they would have kept resisting if their country had survived. And there was a sizeable minority that only stopped being Nazis openly to avoid persecution.
Edit: and to be clear, I share your view that writing victims of propaganda off as enemies not deserving of leniency is monstrous. It is akin to what the fascists do. We must recognise the humanity in our enemies, while accepting that sometimes it is still necessary to kill them.
We must only kill the poor bastards if it is necessary to stop them murdering others, not just because they are “monsters” and it feels good.
If that was true, that the majority need deprogramming…
Why does Bibi keep cancelling elections due to his faction not standing a chance of winning again?
Like, you do realize the reason he keeps starting wars is that this is his ex use to stay in power because his citizens don’t want him in power?
Some do, some do in every country
But the majority don’t want this path, youre operating under Bibi’s propaganda that he has total support.
You are discounting the idea that a lot of voters think Bibi is not killing enough.
By “a lot”…
Do you mean “not enough to win an election since 2021?”
Quite possible. It’s double figures at least, according to polls.
You think 10% is a majority?
What polls?
It feels like you’re just saying whatever you want with no regard to reality…
If you don’t want to look them up, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. However, since I don’t want to be some sort of asshole here, asserting things without evidence: chathamhouse.org/…/israels-perpetual-mobilization…
This page casts a limited light on what we were discussing, but gives you an idea on how many Israelis don’t believe the govt is going far enough when fighting its enemies.
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As you can see, it is about the current war with Lebanon, but I have seen many stories that cite similar results about Gaza or the West Bank. A few minutes on Google will confirm that.
Is your claim that this video is a completely inaccurate hit piece then?
youtu.be/hLQbPCvV8W8
Searching “I went to Israel” didn’t have it in the top 25 results, can’t imagine why since the goal is to make us see all Israelis as the problem apparently.
Did you really just fucking ask if my existing comment was a response to some random ass YouTube video that hasn’t been brought up or linked yet?
How could it possibly be?
Like…
What are you even fucking talking about?
Seems like your claim is that Israelis overwhelmingly don’t support the regime, that video is a series of man on the street interviews.
Sorry to inconvenience you so terribly, but most Israelis seem to be intensely racist toward arabs and in favor of the greater Israel project.
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And you don’t think one of those could be heavily biased?
Because you’re getting your information from propaganda…
Bibi wants people to think everyone in Israel supports him, and that any criticism of him is a criticism of every Israeli…
And you seem to genuinely believe that, or there’s another reason you’re spreading propaganda to make Bibi seem more powerful than he is…
It seems a touch unlikely that the Israeli regime has a pair of ~16 year old girls wandering around looking for journalists they can tell exterminationist rhetoric to then giggle.
But hey. Maybe so.
…
Let’s say I want people to think “the moon doesn’t exist” is a popular belief in Chicago…
If I took a survey, we’d see that almost no one is that stupid.
But I really want people to think that “there is no moon” is common belief, at least in Chicago.
So I ask 10,000 people over 3 months.
Then I air a clip where I ask “10 people on the street”. And I air the only 9 people who said there’s no moon. And one guy who says it doesn’t matter.
You would take that as 90% of people in Chicago think there’s no moon and the rest just don’t care…
Which is why I keep telling you:
No “man on the street” video should be trusted and the people making them are idiots or think their viewers are
Does fucking any of this starting to make the teeniest bit of sense to you?
I legitimately can’t think of how to make this simpler.
You know what real polls show, you know why your video is bullshit…
But you just keep repeating it has to be true because it reinforced your beliefs
So we’re back around the the original thrust of the comment. And you think that the video is an unfounded hit piece.
Here’s some polls. Post me a poll. Post me a video.
Don’t give me some literal Alex Jones level conspiracy gobbltey guk about the moon.
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Yes…
You keep going in circles and repeating propaganda…
It’s clear logic isn’t going to help you, and you’re just going to keep spreading Bibi’s pro-Israel propaganda because you’re somehow (maybe intentionally) incapable of understanding that it is propaganda.
Brother I understand all art is propaganda.
Provide me a source, of any kind.
Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill is a bad look.
So, a dictator.
The only condemnation that will be effective will have a megaton rating
I don’t condone mass murder nor genocide nor any other weapon of mass destruction, even if the target is a vile government.
Just like here in the US, there are many, many people who are in utter disgust with how the things are going yet have ZERO control or ability to change the government other than vote and speak up. I’m sure there are still some people there who fight back. My ex, a photojournalist living in East Jerusalem spent the last 25+ years doing exactly that - granted she’s Jordanian married to a Palestinian, but she lives inside Israel. Should she be targeted by a bomb?
I don’t think you know what the word “targeted” means
I don’t think you get what a megaton bomb is.
I do.
It would level a few city blocks, hurt people for around 12km.
Much better then to let a country perform a ‘slow nuke’, right?
Israel dropped 25 megatons of explosives on Palestine in the first month of the war. It dropped 36 megatons on Tehran in the first week of this war.
While we hum and haw about your ex and other people that you place value on, more of the people you don’t place value on die and suffer endlessly.
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I’ve lived through a war. People you place value on die regardless.
If it would stop it? Sure.
Again, Israel has dropped around 8 “Hiroshima nuclear bombs” on Gaza alone. At some point you have to kick the dog biting you. The trolley problem is not a solved problem - this is why.
Or let’s wring our hands and worry about your ex who has “fought” in Israel to the effect of… watching it turn into a fascist nightmare state.
Why not use a smaller bomb, when the option exists? Or targeted assassination? Or drones? Using a megaton nuke seems unwarranted. Palestinians in the West Bank live within a rifle-shot of the evil settlers shooting them with rifles. Seems like you’re willing to accept the deaths of the people you claim to want to protect as collateral damage.
Megaton literally means “with the explosive power of 1 million tons of TNT”.
Now, the American Mark 84 air-dropped bomb (the so-called 2000lb bomb, which is the biggest that the US has provided to Israel) has a warhead of 429 Kg, which if filled with Tritional - which is equivalent to an 1.18x amount of TNT in explosive power - has thus an explosive power of 506 Kg of TNT, or roughly 1/2 a ton. (source)
This is the largest common use US air-dropped bomb (and air-dropped bombs naturally have a larger payload than cruise missiles since they’re little more than explosive payload plus a shell).
Now, per this, the US had by the end of June 2024 sent over 14,000 2000lb bombs to Israel. That’s around 5000 tons equivalent of TNT (or 0.005 megatons).
It would take 2 million 2000lb bombs - or 142x times the 2000lb bombs the US had sent to Israel by end of June 2024 - to add up to a single megaton of explosive power, 50 million 2000lb bombs to add up to 25 megatons.
Even if all the smaller bombs and cruise missiles added up to 10x the explosive power of all the 2000lb bombs, Israel would still need to acquire 14x times that to add up to a single megaton of explosive power.
So by all indications your estimation of the explosive power dropped by Israel in Gaza is off by at least 10x, probably 100x, whilst the one for Tehran is probably of by 1000x.
Why on earth are your estimates based only on bombs sent specifically by the US, specifically since the start of the war?
You did so much useless maths based on such a ridiculous premise.
Do you think Israel started the war without a stockpile of weapons? Or are you one of these Americans who thinks Palestine sprung into existence on October 7th?
Those are the single biggest bombs around and the US is the single biggest supplier around.
Feel free to explain how Israel could get hold of an extra 3550x worth of the equivalent of those biggest conventional bombs they got from the US for the supposed 25 megatons used in Gaza and the 4970x worth of them for the supposed 35 megatons used in Tehran.
I mean, if the difference between my numbers and those megaton claims was only 10x or so, there is plenty of room in the assumptions used in my extrapolation from the 2000lb bomb numbers to an estimated order of size for the total explosive power dropped to possibly match, but it’s not, it’s in total more than 8,000x off.
By your theory Israel had the equivalent of over 119 million of the largest conventional bombs around stockpiled and managed to drop or fire on Tehran alone at least 69 million bombs (the “at least” number is if they had used only 2000lb bombs - it’s a lot more if they used more common 500lb and 200lb ones and missiles).
You forgot time is linear and you want me to check the rest of your maths
gl;hf
Fuck Israel
Fuck Israel
No one’s doing anything about it because you can’t have a conversation without people shutting down if you’re not 100% aligned with their point of view.
I do think I get what you’re insinuating. People equivocate their language when speaking about the State of Israel because disingenuous players will say, “THAT’S ANTISEMITIC” because they’re trying to trip you up and make you sound like you’re talking about Jewish people and not Israel.
At this point, however, I think that Israeli citizens who are turning a blind eye to the issues are just as guilty as Germans who did the same. Moreover, I would extend this indictment to fellow American citizens who aren’t doing anything.
Yes, but it’s both side. You get called antisematic for saying anything against Israeli policies in some places, but I find on Lemmy you get called hasbara and banned for saying anything even remotely critical of Palestinian actions. There can be no discourse to find any kind of reasonable path forward this way. So everyone moves further to their extremist sides thinking the other side is inhuman because they won’t listen. And we end up in a situation where both sides see the only solution as the complete destruction of the other.
You would get banned for doing Russian propaganda and claim criticism of Ukraine do not make you a russian propagandist
I would hope if I repeated any Russian propaganda I would get called out on it. Then a discussion could take place on what we know and what is probably fabricated. And there is a place for valid criticism of Ukrane policies I’m sure - blind agreement with any side is ignorant. Obvious there’s a shit ton more of a place for criticism of Russian policies. And context matters. But banning people just because they don’t agree with the exact narrow narrative of a mod is counter productive. Obviously if someone is just blindly repeating garbage noise or is offensive then a ban has its place. But we’ve got to take care not to ruin Lemmy by banning everything that’s not 100% in agreement with the hive mind. That leads to vacuous discourse
No context justify settler colonialism and genocide. Tou won’t fins anything in internstional always. Defending stuffs like that are not opinions
Most russian apologists are refuting concrete evidences. Those should be banned
Yes I’ve seen Russian apologists say stuff that is completely at odds with everything that I’ve seen reported. I think they’re lying and spewing propaganda, but I know in war that’s fairly normal and the West also spews propaganda. There’s sometimes a grain of truth; sometimes it is diametrically opposite of the truth. And then it can be interesting to dig down to the root message being played. But banning discussion should be reserved only for toxic messages, not just those that you disagree with. I’m sure there are Russians who actually believe Putin is doing the right thing based on the information they’ve been told - isn’t it good to find their sources and prove how they’re lies? They probably won’t admit it on the spot, but you can change minds through communication. It’s at least good to try.
Nothing more toxic than justifying illegal wars and genocides. Again we are not talking about opinions
I’ve been banned while specifically saying I do not support Isreal’s genocide. All it takes is saying Palestines shouldn’t call for the genocide of Jews and I’d be called a hasboro, a Zionist and an Israeli appologist. People don’t listen, they just see something that’s not 100% supporting their extreme position and they lash out - and I understand the hate, but there certainly are reasonable opinions that don’t involve revenge genocide, I would think. Banning discussion is stupid. It’s like burning books in libraries that you don’t agree with. Or defunding scientists because you don’t like the answers that the science provides.
But I talked specifically about people justifying settler colonialism and genocide . Don’t make it about yourself
Wrong analogy. Banning people advocating for invading Ukraine or israel colonizing Palestine is similar to banning nazis, racists and supermasists
But people seem to think I’m justifying genocide when I’m clearly not, I’m just agreeing with everything they say. And they ban ban ban. That is stupid, like burning books.
I 100% disagree with Russia invading Ukraine. It is horrific and stupid. But I would still be interested in talking with someone who supports it to try and understand where the hell they’re coming from. If they just buy into Russian propaganda or worse are clearly spreading it on purpose then there’s no useful conversation to be had, but if they genuinely believe it’s the right thing to do based n something that I don’t know about, I’d love to hear them out, and then presumably try to help them see where they are wrong.
Stop talking about yourself. There is settler colonialism apologists that run free on lemmy
Once you present them facts and evidence and they still repeat lies. They should be banned. Nothing justify settler colonialism
With your logic why not letting people calling for murder of any racist and supermasist comment and try to convince them that it is wrong?
I’m talking about myself because I have been banned from multiple Lemmy subs despite clearly not being one of those settler colonial apologists, but being accused of it for no reason other than I didn’t just blindly agree with everything.
And yes if people lie and ignore facts you can reasonably argue to ban them (I probably wouldn’t, but I understand).
That’s just fucking evil. Just pure irrational hatred.
A whole damn country full of psychopaths?
I mean, they invented a religion that places them as God’s chosen people, with a history of genocides and claiming regions backed up by that god. They wrote their stories as the victors and somehow still manage to sound like the bad guys.
Psychopathy was probably rife in the 12’tribes and I wouldn’t be surprised if it started with their dad, Jacob the maid fucker. Actually, probably his granddad, Abraham, the guy willing to kill his son to please god.
Either way, it’s been like this for centuries and don’t expect the country to suddenly change any time soon. The divine claim to the “land of milk and honey” has been their long-time casus belli for annihilating entire cities and civilisations + now with US protection!
Can you name a single religion whose creators didn’t?
I think most don’t, and even in Judaism it’s the more ethno-nationalist (i.e. Zionist) adherents that believe it. Christian nationalists and evangelicals do, but I don’t think Protestants or Catholics do. And outside of Abrahamic religions, like Hinduism, at most it’s kind of a “we’re right you’re wrong but idgaf”, unless again you’re getting into Hindu ethno-nationalism, but then the religion is just an excuse for facism and genocide, which brings us back around again.
Buddhism. Gnostic Christianity. Hinduism. Probably a whole bunch more, I’m no theologian.
The hideousflaw in the post you’re replying to isn’t that, though. It’s the idea that Israel invented Judaism, that Judaism is a monolith, that Israel is run on Jewish lines, and that Jews everywhere look to Israel for leadership.
That’s some fucked-up thinking there. That thinking sucks.
The ones who believe the only way to reach Nirvana is to follow the rigid steps of the Budda and no one else can enter?
A little bit of a stretch, and they have a different idea for “god” but it’s the same general idea, just no personification
If you meet the Buddha on the road to enlightenment, kill him.
Does that sound like following the rigid steps of the Buddha is a tenet of Buddhism?
Israel != Judaism
Israel is a British/American colonial project, not a religious thing
That’s a very ignorant take on history, attempting to disconnect modern day Israel from the Israelites of which also comes Judaism from Israel’s son, Judah and that tribe. Though, this has nothing to do with the religion specifically beyond its ideological influence of history.
You never thought as to why the modern state of Israel came to exist as it does? Restoration of 900 BC Israel? It was only later Israel would fall to the Assyrians. Then Judah to the Babylonians. The Canaanites at this point were way gone, Amon, Moab, etc., so the Israelites, as the tribes of Israel, were without homeland. No Israel, no Judah, nothing.
Then the Romans, then the English, blah, blah, blah. Suddenly it’s the 1940s…
The British administrative mandate of Palestine—as the British empire just did with little regions all over the world—is coming to an end so they put the proposal to the UN. II’s no Kingdom of Judah as well, where Jerusalem formerly was, but most of the landmass is central to the former Kingdom of Israel which was historically more prosperous and “the big one” anyway. Apart from this, it had nothing to do with America. The proposal itself had already been cooking for 30 years prior and the British were happy to execute it with UN agreeance. At times it was looking to go forward before WW2 was even a thing.
Your last statement is just entirely wrong, but it sounds catchy to anyone that’s never looked at the history.
Most of the original Zionists was not religious and secular. Ben Gurion who said after the formation of of a large army we would expand to all Palestine also said Palestinians was decendents of the original Israelites and was converted to islam . So why did he advocate for ethnically cleansing those decendents?
The current government has cancelled four elections in a row because literally anyone else would easily win…
And the period before Bibi was six years of political upheaval.
Blaming all of Israel for Bibi is like blaming all of America for trump.
Even if those countries were actually fair democracies that doesn’t mean everyone agrees with their government
On the other hand the responses of Israelis in opinion polls are not encouraging. From last July:
en.idi.org.il/articles/60357
Any time an opinion survey gives 4 options with no neutral answer and then lumps the responses into two categories…
A little alarm bell should go off in your head.
There’s also the last part of that section:
And now we’re getting I to how Bibi’s repeated cancelation of elections and open immigration for hard right e tremists and virtually no one else to juice those numbers.
I couldn’t find a link to the poll, but it could be the vast majority of that 79% are effected by the standard psychological effects of how that survey was set up that anyone that stumbled past a grad level statistical analysis lecture in a drunken stupor would notice…
In fact, that set off so many of my alarm bells, I took two seconds to click the “about” section, see the guy running it also runs Home Depot, rembered how pro-Israel they are and even found you a source…
brusselsmorning.com/…/77666/
You fell for propaganda…
They’re intentionally doing surveys that overstate Bibi’s support bro.
You think you’re hurting them, but you’re doing what Israel wants right now, you’re spreading their propaganda unintentionally…
Hey thanks for doing that critical investigation. Although I posted propaganda and that wasn’t smart of me, It’s good to know those numbers are likely a misrepresentation and Israelis may not be as thoroughly extreme as that report makes them look.
I’ve been reading a lot of sociology of how people overcome “bad times” and unsurprisingly the answer is almost always connection. As Israel is fundamentally anti-connection state due to being found on explicit exclusionary principle - it can never overcome “bad times” and will forever be in conflict until this is corrected.
When I’m in a being evil competition, and my opponent is The State of Israel:
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Every interview should start with “do you condemn Israel?”
Israelis are the inventors of the “double tap” tactic to take out rescue workers, medical workers, and even more civilians, the people who are helping. It’s absolutely sick. Oh and Obama utilized and popularized this tactic during his regime during which he dropped over 26,000 bombs on seven different countries (but don’t let the “vote blue no matter who” crowd know or they’ll attack me).
Nuke Israel. Seriously. Put it on bumper stickers. Make it some kind of new age kids slang. I would love to see what we can do if they redirect dipshit MAGAt rage at Israel
Stop. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The nuclear fallout would not just affect Israel.
Go educate yourself.
Israel must be dissolved. They will soon pivot to “oh, but we can just change the government! This particular government was evil, but we can replace them with the good guys and go back to supporting Israel”, do not let them trick you. This is a genocidal, fascistic ethnostate from the top down. The entire purpose of the project of Zionism has been one of ethnic cleansing from the very start. Israel has got to go, forever, to be a historical footnote for school kids to learn about and say “never again”.
The more I read about Israel’s behavior, the more anti-zionist I become.
One thing however needs to be made clear however:
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
Don’t let the propaganda convince you otherwise.
There are plenty of jews who hate what Israel is doing and what it has become.
I agree with you - conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel (or Zionism) is anti-semitic, although with that said, an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support the state and the genocide.
With that said, I’ve got a very minor bit of pushback
What it has become kind of implies some recent change from a historical version of Israel which wasn’t genocidal. There were some very early idealistic views of Zionism in the 1940s, but it has pretty much always been a fascistic ethnostate. Most people just haven’t been aware until recently.
That is a perfectly fair point, I used the word “become” as I wasn’t completely sure on how the behavior developed or if it had been part of Israel from the start.
I can also see the logic of the jewish perspective after the holocaust, as a people they were hunted and exterminated across Europe, and wanted a country of their own to feel safe and secure.
However, that doesn’t give them the right to hunt and exterminate another people, which is where Israel lost the plot.
Zionism actually predates the Holocaust by decades, though of course the aftermath of the Holocaust absolutely brought it to reality.
I understand the idealistic vision of Zionism, but the reality was obviously very different. Israel started existence by displacing people who were already living in a place. Colonial settlers pushing people out of their homes, violently, massacring them, poisoning wells and more - an act of ethnic cleansing known as the Nakba.
It was always a White Jewish Supremacist Colonialist project anchored on a late 19th century Western way of seeing the World (the same perspective as Europeans with “colonies” in Africa were they often forced the locals to work for them - a form of Slavery, not Chatel Slavery but still Slavery - or Canada’s Indian Residential Shools).
Whilst most of the West actually evolved away from that (even if recently some of that was reversed), Israel was a bubble of White Jewish Supremacy (more White than Jewish, as shown by how the Israeli Authorities treated Black Jews from Ethiopia) stuck in time and with whatever little evolution toward Humanist values they imported via the minority of immigrants they had from the West (the majority by a wide margin of immigrants to Israel came from Russia and the Middle East, not the West) being reversed by amongst other things a Press and Politial environment that purposelly fed “Fear of the Other” and extreme Racism disguised as righteous anger at “violent” Palestinians (at times even openly called “vermin”).
So yeah, not only was the Nakba a display of the dominant values in Israel (as is their overtly ethnically discriminatory Constitution), but since that time the country has not evolved away from that original perspective on other human beings and those racist late XIX century and early XX century views on human beings.
(Whilst, for example, Canada ended Indian Residential Shools and that is now looked back as a bad thing, Israel is right now commiting a Genocide in Gaza and Lebanon even more deadly than the Nakba and Israeli Jewish “settlers” are openly commiting a Pogrom on Palestinians in the West Bank with the support - sometimes activelly so - of the Israeli Police and Military)
If I was a survivor of the worst genocide , I would certainty not use it as an excuse to force a state on people that have nothing to do with it .
The state need not cease to exist. The same could have been said about post-WWII Germany yet it still exists today. I guess it would take a similar level of engagement, involvement and actions to resolve the current situation (hopefully minus the mistakes made along the way at that time).
Germany was dissolved post-WWII, and reformed later. It’s also not a great example IMO, denazification in Germany was half-hearted and quickly abandoned, leaving many nazis in positions of power.
Agreed, but I doubt a better and faster solution is in reach for the current subject.
I’m not sure what you mean - if the international community embargoed and censured Israel in accordance with international law and withheld arms and support, the Israeli regime would collapse, very quickly - at which point the international community could step in and ensure that Palestine doesn’t become a failed state, and handle a peaceful transition and ensure a thorough and comprehensive denazification program with proper trials for those who committed crimes, and a period of truth and reconciliation. I also believe that nations who have supported Israel’s genocide of Gaza - such as the UK, Italy, Germany, the United States, et al. should also pay significant compensation to the Palestinian people.
Those in power don’t want to give us any of this. They should be removed from power, by any means necessary.
I must be too old and cynical to see it that way, but if that’s any excuse, I still respect people who stand for such aspirations.
There is no fast solution but the better solution was always a one state with equal rights
Well, the same kind of WAS said about post-WWII Germany. It was joint-colonised for half a century and ceased to exist as a single independent state until 1989, and even then, German reunification was pretty controversial
Indeed, I shouldn’t have glossed over the time and difficulty of such processes. Whatever the solution, it’s unlikely the process will take any less than one generation or 30 years.
Death to Israel. Zero right to exist.
Stop condemning zios. Start killing them, wherever you find them.
Nothing done to any zio can ever be unethical.
in order to warp the narrative in the future, gotta bomb/kill the people reporting on it, so you can distract the next group of rubes from calling for your heads.
As if they fucking care about being condemned.
Did you also make a frowni face and extend their index finger? It’s very important when you condemn these inhumane ugly behaviours
Add it to the pile
This will all continue every day until someone shoots back.
Hamas and Hezbollah have been shooting back. It’s not enough.
They just take it as an excuse to bomb even more.
Israel’s excuses is a privilege not a necessity , thewy would still ethnic cleansing Palestinians . There is no other option but mix of armed resistance and diplomacy
Israel killing innocent civilians is as required as eating kosher food.
Finally, sanctions against Israel !!!
“Israel treats journalism as a crime” isn’t a condemnation, it’s a gross understatement. You don’t drop bombs on criminals and then bomb Red Cross workers trying to get them out of the rubble and shoot up an ambulance taking them to hospital. It’s hard to find words to describe how deeply evil the everyday actions of Israel are and people are constantly making it sound like some mild transgression.
How about Israel treats journalists like nazis treated Jews?
Condemned to what? Shame? We wave our fingers at them? Condemned doesn’t solve anything and tells them they can get away with it.
Strongly worded letters.
Another day, another dozen war crimes
Yeah, like they care.
Israel: “Zero fucks given, as long as the US gives us everything we want, we will continue to kill whomever we want.”
The US (not just Donald Trump) has been enabling genocide, ethnic cleansing, and human rights abuses for decades.
Journalism is so antisemitic these days.