Iran denies Trump's claims: 'We reject all negotiations – US has failed and Hormuz will remain closed'
(www.ynetnews.com)
from Fit_Series_573@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 13:56
https://lemmy.world/post/44633932
from Fit_Series_573@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 13:56
https://lemmy.world/post/44633932
Source for this article is Israeli news. Sharing because this is the the complete opposite of what has been said to us by american media the last few hours while the markets get manipulated. We will find out in the coming hours/days but figured to share what this other side is reporting
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Iran has more credibility than the orange pedophile
I would not at all go that far. Iran’s regime is horrendous and they were murdering and abducting civilians by the thousands for the past year or two. They are just as in need of a propaganda win as fuckface.
Remember everyone: Just because one side is an asshole doesn’t mean the other isn’t one too.
Every side in this conflict sucks, but I’d still believe the officials in Iran over the officials in the US. The American government is very obviously and methodically lying to our faces every single day and without shame. I don’t see a reason to assume the same for Iran, even if they are terrible people.
Fascist dictators lie.
Just because you like the lie you are hearing doesn’t mean it is more likely to be true than not.
I am inclined to agree with the official Iranian line on this specific topic. But that has less to do with what Iran is saying and more to do with what I have gleamed from the OSINT community and third party news orgs.
Which side are you talking about? Honestly, it needs clarification
Of course dictators lie. But yeah, looking at the situation at hand, Iran does not have much to gain from lying in a public statement that is not directed towards their own population. The US definitely does though, they do it all the time.
Iran doesn’t have “much to gain” from insisting they defeated The Evil United States and that no matter what the US throws at them they won’t give up the Strait?
The US is still, technically, the muscle of The Western World… at least right now. Saying that you withstood them (and all signs are that Iran has) is a HUGE “win” for a regime. Both in terms of making sure the people who were rebelling a few months back know they have no hope and nobody will come to save them but also to look strong in case any of the other superpowers want to back them up as a puppet regime.
And a LOT of the claims the Iranian regime have made have been rather suspect over the course of this war. A lot of it is “fair” murkiness when things were even more chaotic. But even their recent missile attack in the Indian Ocean is a mess of carefully leaked verbiage as each side decides whether they want to call it a failed attack or a warning shot. And I want to say the US/Israel started as the former before pivoting to the latter to try to convince Europe to join them.
Credibility is not morality.
precisely. a point often forgotten or overlooked.
Doesn’t change the fact that Irans fucking war propaganda is more credible than the tweets of the President of the United States of America.
As someone else mentioned Iran is morally reprehensible but they haven’t been found lying so often like Israel and US.
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They are a regime that has imprisoned and murdered civilians by the thousands. They didn’t like TO YOU because you weren’t paying attention.
Look, I realize we all want clear good guys and bad guys. And your favorite influencers LOVE to play on that to get views for their twitch channels. But this isn’t even a case where “Well, Hamas does a lot of evil things but they are morally justified in my opinion”. This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason.
Trust third parties. Trust facts. Don’t trust fascist fucking dictators.
So getting bombed by the USA equals “This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason”?? or you were referring to Israel and the USA?
You see, this is exactly why you are losing credibility. You are trying to seem neutral but the bias just oozes out.
We are all aware Iran sucks, but you seem to be clinging to the “the USA is fighting for democracy” BS that was stale a decade ago
No. I am not. Again. It is incredibly obvious you view the world as good versus evil. You cannot look at an event without deciding who is the good guy and who is the bad guy and you ignore whatever facts get in the way of that. A LOT of people do that. It is a symptom of the infantilization of so much Western media. But that isn’t real life and all you are doing by the constant “gotta hand it to them” nonsense is literally caping for murderous bastards.
Because, like I said,
Where do you get this? I am simply stating that, in this situation, trump has NO credibility and therefore I tend to believe Iran’s opposing statement
It seems clear this is your take on things and you are just imposing it on everyone else
Again which 2 are you referring to? Iran and the USA? or the USA and Israel?
So getting bombed by the USA equals “This is two evil fucking regimes going to war for no apparent reason”??I don’t want to get dragged into the rest of this argument, but yes getting bombed and then retaliating with missiles does mean that Iran has gone to war. It doesn’t mean they started it, which is very worth noting, but it does mean they’ve gone to war.
Iran can be considered an evil regime, the USA can be considered an evil regime, therefore the two of them being at war does mean it can be said that two evil regimes are going to war.
I am aware of everything you said… yet Iran STILL has more credibility than the child rapist pressy
I am not, AT ALL, saying Iran is not an asshole, that’s just your strawman
There is no strawman. I was literally responding to
In this specific situation? Iran’s official line is more likely to be correct. If we were to look at things tomorrow, that very well might flip around. If you consider being correct in the moment to be “credibility” then… you probably should reassess your decision making skills.
Regardless: To quote the great one
Then what the fuck are you arguing against? you literally said you would “not go as far” as to believe Iran when I claim I did just to backpedal here
Did I say I will believe Iran forever? no, that was you making up a strawman… you are creating stuff out of thin air to attack those instead of what people actually said… that is the definition of a strawman
America’s regime is also horrendous.
Nobody said they weren’t
Preposter said they have more credibility, not that they are less horrible. I feel that’s an important distinction
Its one and the same.
They don’t have any more (or less) credibility than the us government has. If the Iranian regime says something about how the war is going, assume it is a lie by default.
It is just in this specific case, what they say tends to line up with what third parties are corroborating.
Again. Fascist regimes lie. They don’t HAVE credibility as a result. That doesn’t mean everything they say is a lie, but it does mean everything they say should be verified by third parties.
Chaotic Evil versus Neutral Evil. Neutrals do have higher credibility than chaotic.
All we can hope is that both sides take each other out, and the world is left without both regimes
Trump really screwed any attempts to end this war when he started it by dropping bombs while in the middle of peace negotiations. What a fucking idiot. not that he had any credibility to begin with, but now he has negative credibility.
Plus… TACO
Can’t taco out of a situation you weren’t really in in the first place. Remember, this guy had so little credibility to start with, Oman was negotiating for him, lol.
What a fucking loser and literally incredible idiot
Maybe we could hand trump over to the IRGC for peace
Now there’s a peace negotiation tactic everyone can get behind.
First, I think Trump should send ICE to “secure” Kharg Island.
The markets reacting as if Trump's words are based in reality at all is astonishing.
Vibes based economy
ie algorithm based.
I’m just glad he didn’t end up bombing Iran again, thereby sending us back to the pre industrial era. I have little doubt that Iran would have fulfilled their threat against oil infrastructure.
US has been negotiating with Reza Pahlavi, is only explanation that would make both sides consistent.
No need to try and figure out how to make both sides consistent when one side in particular is a habitual liar. (I’d argue Iran is more of a strategic liar - I don’t trust them inherently, but at this point I trust them hands down over Trump…)
Trump has criticized Reza. He wants a direct puppet
Let’s see how exactly Trump intends to chicken out of this one.
Spoiler: All he does is say whatever he wants reality to be, denies ever having said anything different, and expects everyone to go along with it. It’s his sole tactic.
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