German parliament backs bill that criminalizes denial of Israel's right to exist (www.haaretz.com)
from geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to world@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 15:38
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Germany’s Bundesrat, the upper house of parliament, backed a bill to criminalize the denial of Israel’s right to exist on Friday, a motion that constitutional experts said could jeopardize freedom of expression.

According to the bill, anyone denying Israel’s right to exist or calling for its abolition would be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years under the regulation. The bill will be examined by the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, after its summer recess.

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EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 15:52 next collapse

The Germans really love genocide.

mysteryhumpf@feddit.org on 11 Jul 16:16 collapse

What does genocide have to do with this bill?

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jul 16:20 collapse

The modern state of Israel is a settler-colonial state, inherently built on genocide. Saying that it should be dismantled and replaced with something better shouldn’t be a crime, and making it one is ignoring nearly a century of context. Nearly a century of context inextricably linked to Germany, no less.

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 15:53 next collapse

That has been illegal already afaik, so what changed?

treehugger6@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 16:03 collapse

It was illegal to deny holocaust. Fuck Israhell

ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 16:02 next collapse

What about Palestine’s right to exist? They going to pass a similar law about that?..no?.. Didn’t think so.

treehugger6@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 16:02 next collapse

I do not recognize terrorist states. Free Palestine. And fuck you Germany. You never changed.

mysteryhumpf@feddit.org on 11 Jul 16:17 collapse

So you also don’t recognize Palestine because of the atrocities of October 7th? I think there should be protection for both states and for all human beings living there.

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jul 16:30 next collapse

It’s so interesting that Palestine as a whole is responsible for a terrorist attack, but the Israeli government spending decades stealing Palestinian land and currently enacting a genocide is blameless. I’m sure that has nothing to do with racism.

treehugger6@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 16:32 collapse

Get lost

Ilixtze@lemmy.ml on 11 Jul 16:06 next collapse

Fuck ze germans and fuck Israel

deegeese@sopuli.xyz on 11 Jul 16:17 next collapse

People OK, government bad.

Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.

Apartheid Israel needs to undergo some very painful changes, starting with ending their genocide against Palestinians.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 11 Jul 16:38 collapse

Israel is a settler colonial project, it fundamentally cannot exist as a pluralistic society.

Palestine used to be a pluralistic society.

raicon@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 16:41 next collapse

This whole shit about “Right to exist” is extremely absurd.

Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.

Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.

arctanthrope@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 17:01 collapse

exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that’s the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it’s doesn’t exist. but does it have a right to?

WanderingThoughts@europe.pub on 11 Jul 17:08 next collapse

And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.

wheezy@lemmy.ml on 11 Jul 17:29 collapse

Can we first know what “right to exist” means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn’t have a “right to exist”. So, surely it’s not a universal right like a person’s right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it’s “right to exist”? So, what does it actually mean?

  • All states (even Nazi Germany) have a “right to exist” and it cannot be revoked.

  • No states have a “right to exist”.

  • All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.

  • It’s a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.

I’m leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.