Russians ‘burning faces’ of dead North Koreans to keep them secret: Zelenskyy
(www.rfa.org)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 18 Dec 00:39
https://lemmy.world/post/23257196
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 18 Dec 00:39
https://lemmy.world/post/23257196
Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims Russian forces are burning the faces of dead North Korean soldiers to hide their involvement in Ukraine.
He says North Koreans are now being deployed in significant numbers, particularly in Russia’s Kursk region, where 200 have reportedly been killed or wounded.
The U.S. confirmed indications of North Korean casualties, while South Korea imposed sanctions on officials and entities involved in North Korea-Russia military cooperation.
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Pretty sure the 4ft solders will be enough to identify as not Russian.
The faceless emaciated body, skeleton bereft of calcium could be anyone…
I’m sure that the CIA backed Radio Free Asia doesn’t have a US bias slant
… Are you saying there aren’t any north Koreans involved in the war?
Because at this point that is akin to denying the sun is warm.
That you’re trying to claim that I’ve said things that I did not. I’m saying that radio free Asia is CIA propaganda that puts a western slant on their propaganda.
Mentioning that in this context does give the distinct impression you want to cast doubt on the fact that NK conscripts are being employed by russia though. Why else would you mention that here?
Does it? I think this person suggests that this media outlet is making shit up. As to why mention it - because making them cartoonishly evil diminishes the weight of what they’ve really done - among other things.
The article literally just quotes a few leaders like the hundreds of other articles on this topic. The fact none of you even read it and can’t seem to do anything but attack the source doesn’t exactly suggest good faith. I suppose every comment not talking about the burning faces is a distraction.
Quotes their comments on the presence of nk troops, not on the implied systematic face burning. And then they admit they cannot verify the video. It’s the fucking buryats all over again
Don’t waste your keystrokes to argue, it’s an .ml idiot.
Go back to .ml
Does it make you uncomfortable to hear information that you disagree with despite it being true?
If it were true it would exist in the real world, outside of your .ml echo chamber
Lemmy.world ironically talking about echo chambers?
They are talking about .ml unironically, outright saying the truth - that .ml is a pure tankie propaganda instance and 99% of the time someone from there comes out to spout unsupported claims, get into a “PROVE MY EXTRAODINARY CLAIMS AREN’T TRUE” argument, loses it immediately and still tries to excuse a murderous regime literally melting the faces of their soldiers so they couldn’t be recognized by anyone.
Is this information here with us now?
That’s a very strange question for you to ask based on your rejection of information you disagree with.
It’s not a matter of disagreeing with it, the sole purpose of RFA and RFE is propaganda
And yet it could still be true information that you’re disagreeing with simply because the source is propaganda. You do understand that propaganda and falsehoods are not the same thing, yes?
Something about a broken clock?
Would that ‘broken clock’ include the BBC article I gave you a link to? Just out of curiosity. You don’t seem to have dismissed it as propaganda.
The BBC article doesn’t make the false claim of Russia burning off their faces to keep it a secret.
It literally does.
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It’s pretty damn foolish of you to deny the contents of an article are in the article twice.
It does, but that doesn’t necessarily mean its reporting is false.
Cool. Here’s the newsweek article on the same thing that has a link to Zelensky’s Twitter post where he says the thing. newsweek.com/zelensky-says-russian-troops-burning…
Newsweek is also trash, but for different reasons.
Also trash
I have a feeling that you would say any source with this information is trash by virtue of it having information you don’t like.
And you would be wrong, Newsweek is owned by right wing Christian fundamentalists and RFA is CIA propaganda
Go on. Now do the BBC.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxz0ygl7gko
Point where it says Russia is burning off their faces to keep it a secret
Seriously?
All you had to do was read the article and you didn’t bother because you’re too convinced you’re right and all of these sources are lying.
It’s not even a very long article.
I don’t even have a horse in this race, but it’s kinda crazy how badly people seem to want to believe this one crazy detail of an already unbelievable conflict
a: they’re paraphrasing zelenski there, and,
b:
They’re all reporting on the same tweet, it’s not surprising that none of them have been able to verify it
That really doesn’t change my point. All three articles give the same information.
Yea I don’t disagree. It’s just an incredible claim and it’s surprising that it’s apparently not being scrutinized much in the reporting.
People really want to take this as granted, and that’s kinda the point of manufactured consent.
Awesome.
Like NK soldiers are there and we know they’re there. This explanation doesn’t seem to pass the straight face test.
Yea that OR the orcish orcs are orc(k?)ing…
Whatever makes the most sense to you I guess…
There is also video evidence of this
You’re not wrong but you’re not right.
Come on! Say something about the USSR!
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3x3 Bingo? Please. 5x5 or go home.
…Man I miss State Department Bingo.
Trying to conflate the USSR and Russia is infantile
That’s why they’re listed separately I guess
It’s like they can’t read lol
Great comeback. When people are quoting the literal CIA funded outlet Radio Free Asia as a source, which is known for making outrageous claims against any enemy of America without evidence, say “Russia and China bad” and poof everything is proven.
Except there are multiple pictures of it happening, plenty of analysis on youtube and a shitload of other sources. But sure, in delululand, when you don’t see anything it doesn’t exist.
You’re not helping promote journalistic integrity.
All you’re doing is saying “it’s okay to be biased when it supports my side.”
This would be great for defectors. Harder to tell who died and who found freedom.
Seems pretty fucking far fetched
He has started hallucinating on Ukraine’s uranium it seems.
WTF is that even supposed to mean?
You see, Ukraine is starting to rethink the idea of not having nuclear weapons and that makes them bad, unlike nice and friendly Russia who already have all the nuclear weapons they need and have Orthodox priests bless them on the regular.
It means Zelensky is getting high on the country Uranium. /s
They had mobile crematoriums so why not?
But why north koreans and not any other foreign nationals they’ve conscripted/employed?
Because they are insisting the Koreans aren’t fighting so the countries that support Ukraine have plausible deniability and can say they don’t see signs of escalation, despite the fact that NK soldiers are fighting in Ukraine.
IIRC it was the same story with iranian, north korean and chinese equipment and munitnions yet russians stuck to the narration of domestic production and collective west made an angry face, with a few sactions thrown here and there. I think equipment and ammunition were much greater escalation than boots on the ground, greater in a sense real impact on the war.
It’s not like DNA testing wouldn’t confirm they’re Koreans. They’re just wasting fuel doing this.
A picture is worth 1000 words.
Pictures of DNA don’t tell laymen much about who is involved.
Idk a pic of 200 dead men with their face burned off might do something.
Laymen will just think “war is hell” without considering who those people really were.
There’s plenty of pictures from drones showing Koreans already.