NATO announces more air support to defend Poland against future Russian incursions (www.theguardian.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 17:59
https://lemmy.world/post/35821542

France, Germany and Denmark to contribute fighter jets and other assets in mission also expected to involve UK

France, Germany and Denmark will contribute fighter jets and other military assets to an enhanced defence of Poland against future Russian drone incursions, Nato leaders announced at a press conference on Friday.

The UK is also expected contribute to the Eastern Sentry mission, which will gradually be expanded across from the Arctic in the north to the Black Sea and Mediterranean in the south to better tackle Russian drones and missiles.

Mark Rutte, Nato’s secretary general, said: “In addition to more traditional military capabilities, this effort will also feature elements designed to address the particular challenges associated with the use of drones.”

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rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works on 12 Sep 18:37 next collapse

Only three or four were said to have be shot down and one drone flew 160 miles into the country, forcing the closure of four airports.

Uhhhh… that’s real bad. 250km into the country that they aren’t supposed to be in? WTF air defense?

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 12 Sep 18:51 next collapse

everyone is terrified of the possibility of russia doing the things russia is already doing.

khannie@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 18:52 next collapse

Yeah it’s piss poor. They shot down 4 out of 19. There’s some speculation that they didn’t want to reveal the location of air defence batteries but honestly it smells like ass coverage.

fullsquare@awful.systems on 12 Sep 19:06 collapse

whatever was shot down was shot by fighter jets, not gbad

fullsquare@awful.systems on 12 Sep 18:58 collapse

the explanation that was given at the time was that drones that were assessed as armed were shot down near border (like the one that blew off roof - it was strictly speaking debris after shootdown) but decoys were allowed to crash on their own

rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works on 12 Sep 19:06 collapse

Woah, they can tell the difference? That’s… odd.

fullsquare@awful.systems on 12 Sep 19:13 collapse

modern radar can measure speed, size, altitude of target and count turbine blades, allowing to figure out what it is. well, rotational speed of propeller in this case but logic is the same

rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works on 12 Sep 19:18 collapse

So a laden drone is slower or using more throttle? That’s the only way I can figure they would do it 'cause it’s going to be hard to weigh something in the air in the next couple minutes.

fullsquare@awful.systems on 12 Sep 19:20 collapse

either they used that or whatever was shot down looked completely different

rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works on 12 Sep 22:12 collapse

Yeah, I assumed the decoys were of the same make and model as the laden ones. That’s not necessarily true.

SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 18:51 next collapse

And the US will contribute… uh…

fullsquare@awful.systems on 12 Sep 19:47 collapse

thoughts and prayers if you’re lucky, best that they can do now is vagueposting

Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip on 12 Sep 19:21 next collapse

My previous employer cut the Poland division they acquired shortly after the Russian invasion hit, they considered the area too risky to invest because of the possibility of war.

jankforlife@lemmy.ml on 12 Sep 19:55 next collapse

lmbo, more air support for the Nazis, with love from the empire imperialistic org 😂

blackn1ght@feddit.uk on 12 Sep 20:06 collapse

It’s air support for Poland, the hell are you on about?

jankforlife@lemmy.ml on 12 Sep 20:13 collapse

You are right, im sure they will stay in poland and NOT try to escalate things for the empire

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 20:59 collapse

Maybe if there were precedent, you’d have a point. This ain’t Russia. Nobody is looking to escalate with them and would prefer if they just stayed in their own borders.

jankforlife@lemmy.ml on 13 Sep 01:47 collapse

Nobody is looking to escalate with them

Officially, no, but the US is on an imperialistic warmongering path. They can’t be the ones to kick it off themselves, they need to the geopolitical equivalent of “im not touching you!” until something happens so they can turn around and say “See! They’re the bad guys, but don’t worry we’ll save the worldddd!”

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 13 Sep 01:54 collapse

What are you talking about the US is bending over backwards to be nice to Putin and sabotage NATO…

jankforlife@lemmy.ml on 13 Sep 04:06 collapse

The empire has been on this current imperalistic plan since at least euromaiden, Orangey wining a second term was a fortunate, or unfortunate for the plan’s planners, kink

PanGodofPanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Sep 04:38 collapse

Average .ml user

shalafi@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 20:11 collapse

This was an obvious in-your-face test. I’m not sure the strategic response should be open defense, STFU and lay low instead.

Say someone is hunting me in the woods and pops a few off, no real danger to me. If I shoot back, they know where I’m at, or at least discern how I will react. Why would I do anything but lay low and draw them in? Does that make sense?

And this is why I’m not involved in foreign affairs decision making. Well, that and barely at “bright normal” IQ. :)

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 20:55 collapse

The difference is if you were being hunted, both you and the hunter can change positions. Russia knows where Poland is and Poland can’t really do anything about that but make it more difficult to get to them. If there were no action taken to bolster the defensive front and Russia made a bigger play, everyone would ask why Poland did nothing to prevent it.

I don’t think the Poland and nato are showing anything to Russia that can be used against them. Sure if Russia is determined, they could study the response and try to coordinate an attack or something, but it would likely be responded much faster than if there wasn’t already support in the region.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 12 Sep 23:39 collapse

Great thoughts! Especially about the ability to move. My only counter would be to say Russia is testing the EU’s coordination and willpower. Guess that was what I should have said.