Ex-husband jailed 20 years in French mass rape trial
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from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 19 Dec 14:21
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from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 19 Dec 14:21
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Good
Is it good enough?
At 72 it’s probably a life sentence.
Eligible for probation at 13 years and 4 months. I hope he suffers.
They should’ve thrown out the maximum years for a case like this. They should’ve thrown out parole eligibility too.
If you can throw it out for one case you can throw it out for every case.
Unlike the US, most countries in the EU - including France - have a justice system that is not attempting to maximize recidivism, which is why maximum sentences exist for every crime except murder.
Furthermore, at least in Germany the constitutional court ruled that life sentences without the eligibility of parole violate human dignity as such sentences would take away all hope from prisoners which significantly harms them. I wouldn’t be surprised if France had similar rulings.
“Life means life, no exceptions” is against the ECHR, in particular Article 3.
For him? Probably yes. But what about the other 50 assholes?
“okay but women not wanting to date men is just overreacting” - a sentiment we see even here on fucking Lemmy.
Fifty different men. He also trained these men how to rape their wives.
When we were dating I told my to be wife she should not trust any man even me.
Personally, I have raped exactly the number of women in my life that I have wanted to. 0.
Just because you are a man, it does not automatically make you untrustworthy, but it is prudent to exercise caution with all people in general—we are unpredictable apes.
yeah I have since amended to really just people in general. Another thing people need to remember is that unfortunately people tend to be screwed by the people closest to them. We are a sad little species.
We are a normal species. It is not unusual for animals to pick on the weak—just look at how many mammals eat the runt of the litter.
The lesson, I believe, is to take your own protection seriously, and not underestimate the potential of people around you due to familiarity. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.
yeah the last sentence is perfect.
People are definitely shit, in general, but we shouldn’t ignore statistics because of that. Men are awful. We’re the worst.
The irony of people downvoting this… Can’t see the forest through the trees. Or more accurately, can’t see further than the tips of their dicks.
They’re still confused why women chose the bear.
Ya. I’m a man and I’d also 100% choose the bear.
Misandry is ok but misogyny isn’t?
And ya’ll wonder why people think there’s a double-standard…
Where’d you learn that word. That’s not in the Bible.
You’re in a thread about a woman who was raped by over 50 different men, and all you’re concerned with is “WhAt AbOuT tHe MeN!?!?!”.
Crawl out of your own asshole please.
Err… this comment chain was literally started due to misandry.
1 in 5 women in the US are raped at some point in their lives. It’s not misandry to avoid men when there’s a 20% chance you’ll be raped. That’s just good sense.
Unhappy with that? Work to create a safer society for women, instead of trolling a post about a woman who was raped hundreds of times by fifty different men.
Yeah, I’ve heard the same thing about why it’s acceptable to be afraid of certain minorities because they “statistically commit more crimes.”
Neither are excuses for bigotry and prejudice.
What an absurdly bad faith argument to make. I assume you’re trying to get me to write several paragraphs explaining why it’s so damn stupid just so you can reply with a one word gatcha or something.
Anyways, eat shit incel.
I’ll take your pivot to personal insults as admittance that you have no counter-argument.
Not surprised.
I’ll take your pivot to a well known misleading and unrelated statistic with no comparable qualities aside from both being a statistic as admittance that you have no counter-argument.
Not surprised.
Yeah, anything to avoid admitting you don’t have a point.
I already made my point? Society at large doesn’t take sexual assault seriously, as evidenced by many factors such as lack of police response, hostile judicial systems, health insurance companies not covering rape kits, the existence of manosphere pieces of shit like the Tates, America recently electing an adjudicated rapist to the highest office of the country, the misogynistic teachings of all major religions, the misogynistic practices of all right-wing political ideologies, etc… Women face a harsh reality where they’re forced to protect themselves.
Even here, in a post about a woman raped by over fifty men hundreds of times, you’re shrieking “BuT WhUt AbOuT MEnS FeEliNgS”.
So, what exactly is your point? Women should just swallow all of these fears and concerns? Why? To spare men any sort of introspection and emotional discomfort? Just deal with it ladies, you’re gonna get raped, big deal.
You didn’t make your point. You said you weren’t going to make your point and then proceeded to personally insult me.
You still haven’t explained why prejudice isn’t acceptable for racists but it is acceptable for misandrists.
Did… did you see the part where I said “neither are an excuse for bigotry and prejudice”? Or did you just conveniently ignore that part so you could say I don’t have a point?
I’ve made it clear from the very beginning: misandry isn’t acceptable behavior and it’s part of a double-standard that you are proudly defending. You got upset about this and proceeded to attack me without explaining why the same arguments racists use to justify their racism are somehow acceptable to justify your sexism.
Because a black person being wary of confederate-flag-carrying white men actually is acceptable, and you’d know that if your red pill was as good as my ecstacy.
Your hurt feelings are not the denial of your right to vote.
Your hurt feelings are not the revocation of Roe v. Wade.
Your hurt feelings are not workplace sexual harassment.
Your hurt feelings are not rohypnol being slipped into your drink.
Your hurt feelings are not dick pics being sent by someone twice your age.
Your hurt feelings are not your boyfriend hyperventillating because you have 3 exes.
And why are your feelings hurt anyway? Were you one of these fifty men in France? Then suck it up. You are embarrassing to my country of men.
Rofl, can you point to the prejudice and/or bigotry? Nobody is suggesting we deny service to men, remove men’s civil rights, or do literally anything to men. All your rights and liberties are fully intact. Women being cautious, scared and wary of men because they fear for their safety is not bigotry, prejudice, or sexim, you God damned buffoon. It’s a direct response to society’s complete and utter failure to protect them, and even further, society’s active efforts to protect the rapists and punish the victims.
We’re all in here talking about protecting women in a world where way too many people think rape is perfectly acceptable, and you’re in the back shouting “but how do we protect the men!?” and you genuinely don’t see a problem with that. Jesus Christ.
Well they replied to a different account so either they’re both you or you grossly misread what they were replying to.
^
White people becoming black the moment a woman refuses an open-top drink just sitting on a table at a party.
We’ve dodged a lot of the usual garbage from Reddit over here, but that one definitely stuck around. The only negative comments I’ve received on any of my lemmy accounts are guys furious when you point out men are more violent partners. Like they just cannot admit that as a society the ‘boys will be boys’ mentality was used to allow a lot of awful behaviours like rape. Hell, Revenge of The Nerds has a rape scene in it and people only recently started to speak out against it.
So, sorry for the downvotes, but at least we all know it’s a bunch of insecure men. Maybe they’ll learn, maybe they won’t, but you have allies here in the mean time.
I was thinking it really wasn’t that bad on here as you described, but I just read some other comments under this post and I was dead wrong. Disappointing.
EDIT: The other comments seem to have been removed
I can’t imagine wanting/needing to rape my wife. There are so many layers to that I don’t even know where to begin wrapping my brain around it.
I dated a woman who badly wanted me to roleplay raping her. I knew I could never get into it, and if that’s what she wants she should be able to have it I guess, so I broke up with her instead.
I dated one of those long-distance once and it was really fucking weird. We would have phone sex and she would want me to talk about myself raping her. I tried it once or twice and I was so bad at it that she stopped asking me to phone rape her. Last I checked she moved across the country to probably get fake-raped by another internet boyfriend of hers.
If you dictate such a profound life decision based on some bizarre cause célèbre, you are overreacting. If you just make reactionary comments on the Internet, sure, carry on.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say
Aww, boo fucking hoo. 🖕🏾
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You can bring a bag to prison??
European prisons are different from American ones because they weren’t modeled after slave pens
seems way toooo lite a sentence
For him, it will be life.
It’s the maximum sentence in france, I believe.
Sounds like a great place to be a criminal
I think you underestimate how long 20 years is. But yes, in europe we usually try to improve someone while in prison so we get back a funtioning member of society, not enslave them for life like in the US.
Y’all ever notice how much male sexuality is performative for the benefit of other men? I’m not saying that they’re gay, they just seem more motivated by peer approval and status than touching a girl.
I recently saw an interview with a stripper who said that the dudes who wanted attention from the girls used $100 bills and were discrete, while the dudes who tossed 100 $1 bills were more interested in the attention of their buddies.
There’s a weird thing with “conquest”, pulling the ladies, and being somewhat deviant that’s tied to manliness and straightness for some reason.
Laughs in lesbian
Lesbians being well known as universally well adjusted women at the pinnacle of mental health? No weird paleolithic-brain shit going on at all? Nice.
I don’t think I said any of that lol
No, that’s accurate. But laugh implies derision and sense of superiority…over the thing you were responding to…
I was pointing out lesbians are humans too and not magically immune to stupid relationship things and behaviors. It should be pretty non-controversial but I guess I was wrong.
I mean we are superior for other reasons. But no. The same internalized misogyny still applies. That’s why I wrote laughs in lesbian as if conquest is just a straight man thing.
Your sarcasm about us being the pinnacle of mental health is why you got the downvotes. It’s an allusion to gay = crazy, which ya know, with us being in the DSM until more recently is offensive.
I mean the literal post above was about men being crazy. Which…yes. All humans are insane. But it’s sounding like we both wildly misinterpreted the other so 🤷.
Never heard of this gay=crazy thing, if you’re considering the DSM I assume much much older. And because I had to, I checked. 1974 it was removed, which explains why I’ve never heard of it. Still has the concept of distress over ones sexuality but…I mean… super anti-gay republicans are proof of this actually being a very sad mental health problem that needs therapy.
“Hurr durr, everyone I don’t like is a closet homosexual.”
Well, they should stop being republican, then.
They literally said that they’re not saying they’re gay. It’s the second sentence for fuck sake.
Extrapolating this incident to male sexuality at large is idiotic.
The guy is right though. Testosterone peaks as a result of social circumstances.
Nothing about testosterone makes you sadistically drug and sexually exploit your wife for decades.
Another interesting thing, in that same vein, is asexual or lesbian women that just go along with being in heterosexual relationships with men because it’s ‘normal’ or convenient.
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Well the main difference there would be between this case and sex between you and your wife I’d hope would be there was consent between you two.
There should always be consent. That’s number 1.
That’s an odd thing to compare to rape
Do tell sir, how what this woman went through wasn’t ’harming anyone’.
You want your wife to drug you and then let 50 men rape you?
Well, if you consent to that, then nobody will go to jail and all will be well.
Unless the drugs are illegal, I guess. Use legal drugs and write your consent. Have a lawyer look it over. Then, have fun!
I should have read the words
Dominique Pelicot emerges as a beacon of altruism within his community, having pioneered a novel form of communal sharing by extending the intimacy of his personal life to his neighbors. His home has transformed into a haven where communal bonds are not only formed but also celebrated through an unconventional expression of togetherness.
His vision transcends the conventional boundaries of charity, illuminating a path where community support can manifest in deeply personal ways. Through his actions, Dominique has not only united individuals but has also ignited a discourse on the essence of community involvement, showcasing an innovative approach to fostering solidarity and empathy among neighbors.
Those who have engaged in this communal act are not merely participants; they embody a brotherhood where personal bonds eclipse societal norms, coming together in a shared experience that symbolizes the pinnacle of communal living.
At the heart of this narrative stands Dominique’s wife, whose involvement, though complex and not of her own volition, has catalyzed a profound discussion on the extent of personal sacrifice for the collective benefit.
Critics and defenders alike often overlook the broader implications of such an act, focusing instead on the surface without recognizing the profound unity and shared experiences it seeks to forge.
Dominique’s legacy is one of embracing diversity, challenging conventional norms, and promoting inclusivity, whether it pertains to race, sexual orientation, or individuals with autism or Down syndrome. He stands as a true hero, redefining the very essence of what it means to serve one’s community.
It is a lamentable loss for those like AdmiralPatrick (along with his numerous alternate accounts), FlyingSquid, JavaJons, JordanLund, and the creator of the MBFC bot, among other autistic and fat woke virgin power creep retards on here, for whom sending a signal message to Dominique was their only hope to have sex with a real woman. Their inability to partake in this profound act of sharing reflects a broader cultural shift, where the nuances of such altruism might be misinterpreted or dismissed by those who cannot see beyond the contemporary narrative, leaving them forever bereft of such an intimate communal experience.
Haven’t seen a single person defending them, tbh.
That one doesn’t seem a fair shot. All criminals, no matter how egregious, are defended by somebody.
20 years is oz of pot numbers
This is France
Whoosh?
(In case this doesn’t translate, this indicates you completely missed that this is the point of the joke. It is funny in a very very dark way that my country will put people in jail for 20 years over a few doses of marijuana while France picks the same time frame for gang-raping and drugging a woman. In most instances I think the french numbers would be more sane, but in this case I think those men deserve life in prison because they cannot be redeemed and must be removed from society.)
Sir this is a Wendy’s
A real shame. With that many assaults, it really should have been a longer sentence.
He got the maximum sentence.
depends on if they had chosen to sentence him for 51 crimes or one crime with 51 incidences. They should have sentenced the husband to 51x20 years, or 1020 years in prison.
That’s not how it works in France at all. You get prosecuted on all charges, but only condmned for the most grievous offence. So for a murder+assault+trespassing case, if found guilty of all charges, your sentence would only be for murder.
As all condemnation it takes context into account, like the assault + trespassing, but if there were limits on murder sentences then you’d only be condemnable to that crime’s legal sentencing limits (there are none for murder, which is the only crime that has no sentencing limits).
The US prison system is made for maximal punishment instead of giving a chance for redemption.
The idea is to keep the prisoners away from society for as long as possible… And got further twisted by for-profit prison as the longer the sentence is, the longer they keep their slave… Sorry, prisoners, for cheap labor.
We’re in France.
Her face in that thumbnail, so happy, and I think a bit at peace too. True complete peace with the horror that she’s faced will be a long time coming, but she’s channeled that immediate rage into justice. And started a larger movement to combat the ingrained misogyny in their (ours?) culture. It’s way too short a sentence for him, but he probably won’t make it out alive.
It’s the maximum legal sentence, and 20 years is absolutely no joke