“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”
Lmao the governors tell people to run over protestor here if they are in the street. Both methods block travel in the city, Venice is just specifically aimed at inconveniencing Bezos rather than the general populace.
How dare they inconvenience Lord Bezos though? Have they never used Amazon or dreamt about his rocket, huh? They should be grateful and hand over the city to him
Rooskie91@discuss.online
on 18 Jun 20:23
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That person sounds absolutely insufferable.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 21:40
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“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”
They found the dumbest possible American to give a comment.
AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space
on 18 Jun 20:17
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It’s of course impossible to know if it was intentional, but lets not forget - platforming the dumb drives engagement, one of the reasons our view of the world is distorted towards thinking people are worse than they are. (Don’t get me wrong, people aren’t great on average, and broadly follow the lowest common denominator trends - but especially with terminally online people, there is a huge problem with paranoia and defeatism thanks to that dynamic).
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
on 18 Jun 20:39
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people aren’t great on average
Well, of course not. If ‘great’ was the average, it wouldn’t be great anymore - it’d just be average.
Wine tours are maybe a couple hundred dollars. We do 'em pretty often. Great deal and you often get a tour of the countryside as well. If you’re ever in the Kelowna, BC area, check it out.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
on 19 Jun 07:24
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A couple hundred feels like out-of-touch money to me.
You’re going to spend 1 to 1.8k or such on the flights alone when coming from the US. Plus of course, as a yank, being able to afford to have a free day at all.
I get it most yanks are broke but a couple hundred are not much in terms of holiday money. Cheap hotels are going to cost you 25 to 50 Euros per night alone. Mallorca 4-star all-inclusive incl. plane tickets about 1k per person, seven nights. That’s groceries for a year if you know what you’re doing, or a bit more than two months of German welfare (the raw disposable payout, rent, heating, and health insurance is separate). Monthly net income on minimum wage ~1.6k, you’ll probably spend most of your holidays in Balconia but if you want, yep, the Baleares are affordable. Trekking from hostel to hostel? Even more so, that’s student-level holidays. Drinking wine while doing it? Depending on country, cheaper than beer. So, no, it’s not out of touch. It’s just not ameripoor.
Couple of days in Venice? There’s camping grounds all around, bring a camper (I know, investment, but you can also rent them) or a tent. Commute into the city, if you buy anything… well ideally just don’t it’s all a tourist trap.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 15:43
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The average American has less than $300 in their bank account. There is no county in the US where somebody making the median salary can afford the average cost of a house for that county.
Vacationing in Europe and going on wine tours would sound like a once-in-a-lifetime trip for the majority of Americans.
Pretty tragic. Though I imagine the USA has some wonderful places to visit, as well. I remember cheap flights to Vegas were a thing, they do that as a loss leader. Is that still a thing, or has the collapse progressed that far?
If you have a car (and being an American, you almost certainly would be car-poor), then that presumably opens up a lot of low-cost vacation options.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 22:01
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I can’t say anything for sure since I haven’t had a real vacation in 15 years (that wasn’t just staying at the nearest major city for a 3-day holiday weekend), but the cost of flying is a very sore point even in the continental US.
There are tons of beautiful and fun places to visit in the US, but especially if you’re driving, time becomes a limiting factor. I know people who drive from Massachusetts to Florida pretty much every year to go to Disney, and it takes 2 or 3 days of travel to get down there. The stats say that we have less vacation time than similar countries (Europe, Canada, etc.), and the average American will never leave their home state and will die within 25 miles of where they were born.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
on 20 Jun 08:16
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Oh I meant, that specifically wine touring alone feels weird for that type of cash, imo. A decently-thought out trip to the Balkans for a week costs a couple hundred as well (given that was with friends to split costs etc, and flying in from Germany), so maybe I’m underestimating how my much you get for such a tour, but to me it feels really odd.
Not that I hate wine btw, like it better than beer.
I’ve never been on an organised wine tour but my family made a habit of swinging by a vinyard on the way back up north. The wine tasting comes with the beds (also, Zwiebelkuchen) and you get excellent prices on boxes because you’re cutting out the middle man. Kids get to taste different grape juices.
I suppose those kinds of offerings exist in all wine regions, an organised trip would then be visiting multiple of those places.
As someone from a region where we produce a little wine but don’t have it as a main industry, yes, they’re all over and admission price generally scales with the fame of the label.
Ones that don’t try to concentrate on international marketing can be quite reasonable.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 22:05
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Very likely it’s intentionally chosen or even fake to push the narrative that US protests are violent…
They just checked voter registration. Easy pickins from there.
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 03:43
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I was listening to an NPR segment asking American tourists at a French vineyard what they thought of the tariffs and they also managed to find the biggest group of dipshit chads they could
Americans seem to overestimate how big Amazon is here in Europe. Most people I know rarely buy anything off Amazon, a couple have Amazon Prime to watch content on, but that’s mostly it.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub
on 19 Jun 08:30
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You seem to underestimate it though. Amazon is pretty big here as well, even just considering the “buy stuff” parts.
But even if you do buy on Amazon sometimes, why should that make you on board with surrendering your city to this billionaire? It’s part of this toxic obsession of finding minor ‘gotchas’/hypocrisies instead of debating substance. You MUST subscribe to every belief of team A and hate everything from team B.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
on 20 Jun 08:38
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Americans are fucking weird with defending and warshiping their millionaires and celebrities.
Both are probably wrong so would be nice to have data instead. Here in Belgium checking out from postal workers deliveries or on recycling garbage day I can see a lot of Amazon parcels unfortunately. Your observation is not wrong, neither is mine, so the question rather is how relevant they are when scaled to all of Europe.
that is ok, none of these require cold turkey approaches. you start by protesting Jeff’s wedding, you continue by replacing some of your amazon shopping with alternatives, next you know you are only using amazon a couple times a year at most. This would already be enough I think as amazon relies on a much higher level of consumerism.
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social
on 18 Jun 20:21
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I could have sworn this dude got married in Aspen and spent $600M on it. They shutdown the airport for it even because of all the private traffic
Apart from every other answer already given, Venice is existentially threatened by the continuous influx of people causing huge costs to the city while contributing absolutely nothing to the local economy.
I am Italian, I have stayed in my uncle’s house in Rialto and loved to experience the little local life that was left at that time (20 years ago, more or less).
Nonetheless, I have made the conscious choice not to visit the city ever again until it gets its shit together.
It is in fact cursed to disappear, but to deny young people to experience it because it is turning into a Disneyland for old people is just cruel.
Is there a way to visit for a couple of days (Not for Bezos’ wedding lmao) wirhout being a nuisance and supporting local business/people as much as possible or is it better to just stay away? We dream of flying there, seeing the cities and then going to the Dolomites.
Stay at a hotel in Mestre, make a plan to visit lesser-known local businesses and attractions (Atlas Obscura is a good start), if possible, join a tour given by an authorized guide.
How would you feel if a megalomaniac billionaire would hire half of your city, where he wasn’t born but only appreciates the ‘uniqueness’ of.
He’s openly prostituting an ancient and beautiful relic, that should not be able to be bought in the first place (thus why he wants it).
That in itself is unbearable, the hubris of this upstart, this nitwit who lucked into being the richest man around.
It’s like seeing your mother as a pole dancing stripper on the wedding. For that money, who wouldn’t, but it breeds a lot of resentment.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 21:46
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People of Venice!
The time has come to show the world what you’re made of, and more importantly, what you’ve got inside.
Let the canals bear witness to your courage. Not with arms, but with… offerings.
I want to see a million floating turds on that sacred day. Let this wedding be remembered. Not for love, but for sheer intestinal audacity.
Take a stand, take a squat, and defecate for dignity.
Fate la storia. Fate galleggiare la gloria.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 05:45
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If they do anything to prevent things from floating through, get out your waffle stompin’ boots, Venice!
Gates9@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 22:56
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Sto cazzo…fottetelo.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
on 19 Jun 01:20
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Though the details of the Bezos wedding are highly guarded beyond the rumored $10-million budget
Ok so I’m not going to say that we all need to eat dirt so long as anyone is worse off than we are, but that’s a lot of money that could be spent on anything else.
I’m not christian but camel through the eye of a needle, man. You can’t be a good person when you’re sitting on that much wealth, and Bezos isn’t even trying.
I mean it’s not like Luigi used a legal gun anyway. It was unserialized and partially 3D printed.
selfdefense420@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 19:10
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i mean, honestly, here’s europe’s chance to do what they claim americans are too scared to do.
defaultsamson@lemmy.ml
on 19 Jun 11:31
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Recently visited Venice, and it was an excellent place.
From my observations, there is not really a place for big business there; no big roads, hardly any trains, essentially no commercial transport besides small boats. In a place as such, goliaths like Amazon are likely out-competed by local businesses.
Bezos’ is hardly the only high-dollar wedding to be held in the city — not least George and Amal Clooney’s nuptials in 2014, which were cheered on by locals.
Yeah don’t confuse the Clooneys for Bezos, please. Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it’s artists, sportsball players, etc. That is, don’t confuse celebrities and feudal lords. Venice is an ancient and serene republic, have some self-respect.
My 2cents: Bezos money comes from other people’s works, entertainers money comes from the perception that other people has of their work.
Of course there are exceptions.
The vast majority of CEOs don’t become billionaires, most billionaires are born with a golden spoon in their mouth, and the rest got there by stepping on everyone else’s backs. That’s rewarding sociopathy.
Artists and athletes don’t do either, they work to get good at their craft and, crucially, would be doing the same thing even if they were not as successful as they are. You can count them as petite bourgeois which of course come in good and bad but as artists and athletes are not, by trade, businesspeople they tend to very much fall on the good side. Like, you won’t see Clooney undermining the actor’s union – on the contrary, he’s advocated for raising his own union dues. And when they use their money to start a business you don’t tend to get another Oracle or something but ARCH Motorcycles. Give me one reason why, in luxury space anarchism, the answer to Keanu Reeves saying “I want to build cool motorcycles, you in?” the answer of the collective wouldn’t range from “hell yes” to “meh but you guys do you”. He’d get all the resources he’d need: He entertained and uplifted billions, of course we’ll chime in.
OTOH, of course, fuck J.K. Rowling. But unlike with the golden spoon billionaires she’s the exception, not the norm.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 18:35
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arch motorcycles
Wait, there was actual product placement in cyberpunk 2077? Also yes. Even without post scarcity, that’s a perfectly lovely way to get around.
ceos bad
Also, the mba was the invention of robert e lee. It was revenge for ‘ending’ slavery, and the seeds from which it rose more powerful than before.
So, you know; fuck them. They are a poison. Turn stanford to glass.
It’s a couple more actually. That list also mentions brands that are in other games and source books but e.g. Porsche is definitely in 2077.
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 14:46
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Because an entertainer/athlete gets a paycheck for doing a job. They’re not getting rich underpaying employees.
The debatable part comes in when you get more nuanced than that: The richest of them probably derive most of their wealth from investments once they’ve accumulated enough capital. Their industry requires the efforts of many underpaid people (even if they don’t directly get a say in that). Anyone that keeps (not just earns) a billion wakes up every morning and decides not to solve homelessness in their city. Etc.
But a 20mm paycheck to put asses in seats is a paycheck, not exploitation.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 18:26
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Artists give. When they actually work. At their real jobs. Dubno if they deserve more than scientists or steel workers, but if it turns out we do actually need inequaluty and theres a lottery for which professions make you rich, i won’t begrudge them a win.
Ceo’s take, ruin, defile everything they touch. The meth addict who wanders around the city pissing on things is closer to a net positive than a ceo. The MBA and its various spawn was the final genocidal victory lap of the confederacy, and their purée must all soak the soil before the tree of freedom can grow.
Artists are on a gift-based economy. They gain status by giving away works. If you are the best artist in the world but don’t make an effort to share your works, you are irrelevant. The more they give away the more they are recognised. Even if they give them away via pirated works. See: movies, songs that everybody knows and resonates with. Status is their currency, not money.
The status then allows them to obtain more money than other people, incidentally.
CEOs are on a market-based economy, they sell goods and services for money. They don’t sell their status. The goods and services they sell are not theirs, but created with the stolen sweat, blood and lives of the people that work for them, which get a minuscule share of the profit for the amount of life they put onto it.
In gift-based economies such as the ones of artists, open source developers, fashion, cultures without scarcities of the specific resource that makes the economy (such as small plentiful tropical tribes, communes, etc), the status is the currency.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 22:15
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Fuck you Bezos
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They probably also think USPS delivers there using Prime shipping. Those are the kind of people reproducing.
Lmao the governors tell people to run over protestor here if they are in the street. Both methods block travel in the city, Venice is just specifically aimed at inconveniencing Bezos rather than the general populace.
How dare they inconvenience Lord Bezos though? Have they never used Amazon or dreamt about his rocket, huh? They should be grateful and hand over the city to him
That person sounds absolutely insufferable.
Exactly what came to mind when I read that.
They found the dumbest possible American to give a comment.
It’s of course impossible to know if it was intentional, but lets not forget - platforming the dumb drives engagement, one of the reasons our view of the world is distorted towards thinking people are worse than they are. (Don’t get me wrong, people aren’t great on average, and broadly follow the lowest common denominator trends - but especially with terminally online people, there is a huge problem with paranoia and defeatism thanks to that dynamic).
Well, of course not. If ‘great’ was the average, it wouldn’t be great anymore - it’d just be average.
Aren’t great on… median? Majority fall below some arbitrary standard of “decent”?
Eeh, not a rare find when overseas. Most people don’t “tour” overseas, but you frequent busloads of these people.
To be fair, it’s not that difficult.
At least they found one that could form a coherent sentence.
As an American, I think finding the dumbest of us would be hard given the amount of competition.
I didn’t think it was that hard at all, he’s in the news every day!
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FFS, why does Trump look like he’s about to suck cock in every damn picture?
Muscle memory.
Wel statistically it’s just more likely, hence yourself the outlier!
Unlike the president
Man, talk about being fucking disconnected from the rest of the world.
Well, that’s a pretty easy search.
Seeing as they are on a wine tour, it’s probably another out of touch millionaire
Wine tours are maybe a couple hundred dollars. We do 'em pretty often. Great deal and you often get a tour of the countryside as well. If you’re ever in the Kelowna, BC area, check it out.
A couple hundred feels like out-of-touch money to me.
Not exactly millionaire money, though. It’s a fun vacation option and fairly reasonable as those go.
You’re going to spend 1 to 1.8k or such on the flights alone when coming from the US. Plus of course, as a yank, being able to afford to have a free day at all.
I get it most yanks are broke but a couple hundred are not much in terms of holiday money. Cheap hotels are going to cost you 25 to 50 Euros per night alone. Mallorca 4-star all-inclusive incl. plane tickets about 1k per person, seven nights. That’s groceries for a year if you know what you’re doing, or a bit more than two months of German welfare (the raw disposable payout, rent, heating, and health insurance is separate). Monthly net income on minimum wage ~1.6k, you’ll probably spend most of your holidays in Balconia but if you want, yep, the Baleares are affordable. Trekking from hostel to hostel? Even more so, that’s student-level holidays. Drinking wine while doing it? Depending on country, cheaper than beer. So, no, it’s not out of touch. It’s just not ameripoor.
Couple of days in Venice? There’s camping grounds all around, bring a camper (I know, investment, but you can also rent them) or a tent. Commute into the city, if you buy anything… well ideally just don’t it’s all a tourist trap.
The average American has less than $300 in their bank account. There is no county in the US where somebody making the median salary can afford the average cost of a house for that county.
Vacationing in Europe and going on wine tours would sound like a once-in-a-lifetime trip for the majority of Americans.
Pretty tragic. Though I imagine the USA has some wonderful places to visit, as well. I remember cheap flights to Vegas were a thing, they do that as a loss leader. Is that still a thing, or has the collapse progressed that far?
If you have a car (and being an American, you almost certainly would be car-poor), then that presumably opens up a lot of low-cost vacation options.
I can’t say anything for sure since I haven’t had a real vacation in 15 years (that wasn’t just staying at the nearest major city for a 3-day holiday weekend), but the cost of flying is a very sore point even in the continental US.
There are tons of beautiful and fun places to visit in the US, but especially if you’re driving, time becomes a limiting factor. I know people who drive from Massachusetts to Florida pretty much every year to go to Disney, and it takes 2 or 3 days of travel to get down there. The stats say that we have less vacation time than similar countries (Europe, Canada, etc.), and the average American will never leave their home state and will die within 25 miles of where they were born.
Oh I meant, that specifically wine touring alone feels weird for that type of cash, imo. A decently-thought out trip to the Balkans for a week costs a couple hundred as well (given that was with friends to split costs etc, and flying in from Germany), so maybe I’m underestimating how my much you get for such a tour, but to me it feels really odd.
Not that I hate wine btw, like it better than beer.
I’ve never been on an organised wine tour but my family made a habit of swinging by a vinyard on the way back up north. The wine tasting comes with the beds (also, Zwiebelkuchen) and you get excellent prices on boxes because you’re cutting out the middle man. Kids get to taste different grape juices.
I suppose those kinds of offerings exist in all wine regions, an organised trip would then be visiting multiple of those places.
As someone from a region where we produce a little wine but don’t have it as a main industry, yes, they’re all over and admission price generally scales with the fame of the label.
Ones that don’t try to concentrate on international marketing can be quite reasonable.
Very likely it’s intentionally chosen or even fake to push the narrative that US protests are violent…
May be on to something there. Only “Jake Springer” I see on LinkedIn posted from Port Aransas, TX yesterday.
Palantir laughs quietly
They just checked voter registration. Easy pickins from there.
I was listening to an NPR segment asking American tourists at a French vineyard what they thought of the tariffs and they also managed to find the biggest group of dipshit chads they could
Americans seem to overestimate how big Amazon is here in Europe. Most people I know rarely buy anything off Amazon, a couple have Amazon Prime to watch content on, but that’s mostly it.
You seem to underestimate it though. Amazon is pretty big here as well, even just considering the “buy stuff” parts.
But even if you do buy on Amazon sometimes, why should that make you on board with surrendering your city to this billionaire? It’s part of this toxic obsession of finding minor ‘gotchas’/hypocrisies instead of debating substance. You MUST subscribe to every belief of team A and hate everything from team B.
Americans are fucking weird with defending and warshiping their millionaires and celebrities.
Both are probably wrong so would be nice to have data instead. Here in Belgium checking out from postal workers deliveries or on recycling garbage day I can see a lot of Amazon parcels unfortunately. Your observation is not wrong, neither is mine, so the question rather is how relevant they are when scaled to all of Europe.
Them protesting peacefully is exactly why Bezos will eventually get things his way.
Please notice that Brugnaro, mayor of Venice, is politically spawned out of Berlusconi’s party, Forza Italia.
Italian lesson: “Dio li fa, e poi li accoppia”: “God makes them, and then pairs them”
The dumbest American with a passport.
Of course there are far dumber Americans but they aren’t the kind who travel to Europe.
that is ok, none of these require cold turkey approaches. you start by protesting Jeff’s wedding, you continue by replacing some of your amazon shopping with alternatives, next you know you are only using amazon a couple times a year at most. This would already be enough I think as amazon relies on a much higher level of consumerism.
I could have sworn this dude got married in Aspen and spent $600M on it. They shutdown the airport for it even because of all the private traffic
How many times are they tying the knot?
Every time they update the prenup.
It warms my heart.
Serious question, why are Venetians against Bezos’ wedding? Did he do anything that offended the city before?
It’s Jeff Bezos.
Billionaires are inherently evil.
The city is literally sinking, global warming is not helping and billionaires disproportionately contribute to it.
Apart from every other answer already given, Venice is existentially threatened by the continuous influx of people causing huge costs to the city while contributing absolutely nothing to the local economy.
I am Italian, I have stayed in my uncle’s house in Rialto and loved to experience the little local life that was left at that time (20 years ago, more or less). Nonetheless, I have made the conscious choice not to visit the city ever again until it gets its shit together.
It is in fact cursed to disappear, but to deny young people to experience it because it is turning into a Disneyland for old people is just cruel.
Is there a way to visit for a couple of days (Not for Bezos’ wedding lmao) wirhout being a nuisance and supporting local business/people as much as possible or is it better to just stay away? We dream of flying there, seeing the cities and then going to the Dolomites.
Stay at a hotel in Mestre, make a plan to visit lesser-known local businesses and attractions (Atlas Obscura is a good start), if possible, join a tour given by an authorized guide.
How would you feel if a megalomaniac billionaire would hire half of your city, where he wasn’t born but only appreciates the ‘uniqueness’ of.
He’s openly prostituting an ancient and beautiful relic, that should not be able to be bought in the first place (thus why he wants it).
That in itself is unbearable, the hubris of this upstart, this nitwit who lucked into being the richest man around.
It’s like seeing your mother as a pole dancing stripper on the wedding. For that money, who wouldn’t, but it breeds a lot of resentment.
People of Venice! The time has come to show the world what you’re made of, and more importantly, what you’ve got inside.
Let the canals bear witness to your courage. Not with arms, but with… offerings. I want to see a million floating turds on that sacred day. Let this wedding be remembered. Not for love, but for sheer intestinal audacity.
Take a stand, take a squat, and defecate for dignity.
Fate la storia. Fate galleggiare la gloria.
If they do anything to prevent things from floating through, get out your waffle stompin’ boots, Venice!
Moeche can feed on billionaires. Just sayin’.
Sto cazzo…fottetelo.
Ok so I’m not going to say that we all need to eat dirt so long as anyone is worse off than we are, but that’s a lot of money that could be spent on anything else.
I’m not christian but camel through the eye of a needle, man. You can’t be a good person when you’re sitting on that much wealth, and Bezos isn’t even trying.
Well, Italy does have a lot of Luigis … so there is hope.
But no guns…
On an unrelated note, did you know that in a lot of European countries it’s totally legal to own a crossbow? You can just order one online.
I mean it’s not like Luigi used a legal gun anyway. It was unserialized and partially 3D printed.
i mean, honestly, here’s europe’s chance to do what they claim americans are too scared to do.
Recently visited Venice, and it was an excellent place.
From my observations, there is not really a place for big business there; no big roads, hardly any trains, essentially no commercial transport besides small boats. In a place as such, goliaths like Amazon are likely out-competed by local businesses.
Yeah don’t confuse the Clooneys for Bezos, please. Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it’s artists, sportsball players, etc. That is, don’t confuse celebrities and feudal lords. Venice is an ancient and serene republic, have some self-respect.
Why would it be more fair for them than CEOs? I’m not defending this one but asking in general.
My 2cents: Bezos money comes from other people’s works, entertainers money comes from the perception that other people has of their work. Of course there are exceptions.
The vast majority of CEOs don’t become billionaires, most billionaires are born with a golden spoon in their mouth, and the rest got there by stepping on everyone else’s backs. That’s rewarding sociopathy.
Artists and athletes don’t do either, they work to get good at their craft and, crucially, would be doing the same thing even if they were not as successful as they are. You can count them as petite bourgeois which of course come in good and bad but as artists and athletes are not, by trade, businesspeople they tend to very much fall on the good side. Like, you won’t see Clooney undermining the actor’s union – on the contrary, he’s advocated for raising his own union dues. And when they use their money to start a business you don’t tend to get another Oracle or something but ARCH Motorcycles. Give me one reason why, in luxury space anarchism, the answer to Keanu Reeves saying “I want to build cool motorcycles, you in?” the answer of the collective wouldn’t range from “hell yes” to “meh but you guys do you”. He’d get all the resources he’d need: He entertained and uplifted billions, of course we’ll chime in.
OTOH, of course, fuck J.K. Rowling. But unlike with the golden spoon billionaires she’s the exception, not the norm.
Wait, there was actual product placement in cyberpunk 2077? Also yes. Even without post scarcity, that’s a perfectly lovely way to get around.
Also, the mba was the invention of robert e lee. It was revenge for ‘ending’ slavery, and the seeds from which it rose more powerful than before.
So, you know; fuck them. They are a poison. Turn stanford to glass.
It’s a couple more actually. That list also mentions brands that are in other games and source books but e.g. Porsche is definitely in 2077.
Because an entertainer/athlete gets a paycheck for doing a job. They’re not getting rich underpaying employees.
The debatable part comes in when you get more nuanced than that: The richest of them probably derive most of their wealth from investments once they’ve accumulated enough capital. Their industry requires the efforts of many underpaid people (even if they don’t directly get a say in that). Anyone that keeps (not just earns) a billion wakes up every morning and decides not to solve homelessness in their city. Etc.
But a 20mm paycheck to put asses in seats is a paycheck, not exploitation.
Artists give. When they actually work. At their real jobs. Dubno if they deserve more than scientists or steel workers, but if it turns out we do actually need inequaluty and theres a lottery for which professions make you rich, i won’t begrudge them a win.
Ceo’s take, ruin, defile everything they touch. The meth addict who wanders around the city pissing on things is closer to a net positive than a ceo. The MBA and its various spawn was the final genocidal victory lap of the confederacy, and their purée must all soak the soil before the tree of freedom can grow.
Artists are on a gift-based economy. They gain status by giving away works. If you are the best artist in the world but don’t make an effort to share your works, you are irrelevant. The more they give away the more they are recognised. Even if they give them away via pirated works. See: movies, songs that everybody knows and resonates with. Status is their currency, not money.
The status then allows them to obtain more money than other people, incidentally.
CEOs are on a market-based economy, they sell goods and services for money. They don’t sell their status. The goods and services they sell are not theirs, but created with the stolen sweat, blood and lives of the people that work for them, which get a minuscule share of the profit for the amount of life they put onto it.
In gift-based economies such as the ones of artists, open source developers, fashion, cultures without scarcities of the specific resource that makes the economy (such as small plentiful tropical tribes, communes, etc), the status is the currency.
George Clooney is rich. Jeff bezos is wealthy
Devided? Between who?
Checks article: And Its berween the people who have lives there versus the ruling class who are about to profit because of course.
Must be good to know you are disliked by the majority of a city