Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia (www.politico.eu)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 00:53
https://lemmy.world/post/39461129

Countries are looking at joint offensive cyber operations and surprise military drills as Moscow steps up its campaign to destabilize NATO allies.

Russia’s drones and agents are unleashing attacks across NATO countries and Europe is now doing what would have seemed outlandish just a few years ago: planning how to hit back.

Ideas range from joint offensive cyber operations against Russia, and faster and more coordinated attribution of hybrid attacks by quickly pointing the finger at Moscow, to surprise NATO-led military exercises, according to two senior European government officials and three EU diplomats.

“The Russians are constantly testing the limits — what is the response, how far can we go?” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braže noted in an interview. A more “proactive response is needed,” she told POLITICO. “And it’s not talking that sends a signal — it’s doing.”

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MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net on 29 Nov 01:26 next collapse

It seems that Europe hasn’t forgotten that appeasement does not work.

trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 07:13 collapse

Took only 11 years to remember since Russia annexed Crimea

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 03:15 next collapse

WW3 right around the corner, which is fucking horrible, but what other choice does the world have? What an awful predicament we’re creeping towards :/

realitista@lemmus.org on 29 Nov 07:26 collapse

WWII only happened because we tried to appease Hitler and let him grow stronger annexing territory rather than fighting back. It’s not too late to close the Pandora’s box that is Russia under Putin, but it needs to be done deliberately and forcefully.

Linktank@lemmy.today on 29 Nov 03:56 next collapse

So fucking DO something already.

SGGeorwell@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 05:29 collapse

And use your own money!

Lag@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 08:11 next collapse

No I’m donating.

Humanius@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 11:07 next collapse

Okay, but then don’t come crying that your “allies” aren’t helping you the next time y’all decide to invade the Middle East

Linktank@lemmy.today on 29 Nov 13:22 collapse

Looking for another handout? Those days are over apparently.

notsure@fedia.io on 29 Nov 03:51 next collapse

...finally, a russian stooge in charge of america, so let's maybe bring the choccy carts to the fight.../s, i shouldn't need this, it happened before

yakko@feddit.uk on 29 Nov 05:35 next collapse

The idea of cyber/hybrid warfare against Russia is pretty interesting. Would be interesting at any rate to see how they like having a troll brigade stirring up their populace.

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 05:56 next collapse

“Retaliating”.

trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 07:11 next collapse

About ducking time

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 29 Nov 07:14 next collapse

EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said such threats posed an “extreme danger” to the bloc, arguing it must “have a strong response” to the attacks.

Last week, Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto slammed the continent’s “inertia” in the face of growing hybrid attacks and unveiled a 125-page plan to retaliate. In it, he suggested establishing a European Center for Countering Hybrid Warfare, a 1,500-strong cyber force, as well as military personnel specialized in artificial intelligence.

“Everybody needs to revise their security procedures,” Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski said on Nov. 20. “Russia is clearly escalating its hybrid war against EU citizens.”

Walk the talk

Despite the increasingly fierce rhetoric, what a more muscular response means is still an open question.

Part of that is down to the difference between Moscow and Brussels — the latter is more constrained by acting within the rules, according to Kevin Limonier, a professor and deputy director at the Paris-based GEODE think tank.

As much as I’d love for the EU to get its shit together right now, I have to agree with this 100%.

“This raises an ethical and philosophical question: Can states governed by the rule of law afford to use the same tools … and the same strategies as the Russians?” he asked.

So far, countries like Germany and Romania are strengthening rules that would allow authorities to shoot down drones flying over airports and militarily sensitive objects.

National security services, meanwhile, can operate in a legal gray zone. Allies from Denmark to the Czech Republic already allow offensive cyber operations.

So, some nations (mostly those bordering on Russia) are already taking, hmm, “semi-offensive” action while we’re still waiting on the EU’s official response - the “walk” as opposed to the “talk”.

angrystego@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 08:51 collapse

How do you think the unthinkable?

With an itheberg.

I’ll see myself out.

kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Nov 11:24 collapse

Loved it