EU Joins Refusals to Recognize Maduro as Venezuela Vote Winner (www.kyivpost.com)
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The European Union heaped further international pressure Sunday (4 August) on Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, joining Washington and Latin American nations in refusing to recognize the win he has claimed in the recent election marked by fraud allegations.

The latest rejection comes as Venezuela’s opposition backed outside calls for the results of last week’s disputed presidential vote to be published, as the Pope said Venezuelans must “seek the truth” and warned against further violence.

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 06 Aug 2024 13:05 next collapse
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sandbox@lemmy.world on 07 Aug 2024 07:37 collapse

Western powers are willing to recognise Putin as the ruler of the Russian Federation, and the dictator of Saudi Arabia, but not Maduro. The reasons why are obvious, but it doesn’t really help their credibility.

Akasazh@feddit.nl on 07 Aug 2024 08:58 next collapse

What are you saying? They should not oppose Maduro to remain credible?

njm1314@lemmy.world on 07 Aug 2024 09:07 collapse

I think he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Akasazh@feddit.nl on 07 Aug 2024 09:17 collapse

I’m aware of that, and I would agree. I also think that the calling out of Maduro is, in itself, a good thing.

It’s not as if the other examples are being applauded either.

So my question was legitimized, I feel. Does op feel like the trial to recognize Maduro is a good one? I think that is important you establish.

Gsus4@mander.xyz on 07 Aug 2024 09:30 next collapse

Even a ghoul like putin had the “forethought” to fudge his election numbers so people can doubt, but not prove 100% that he cheated, so it is what it is.

Meanwhile, Maduro “won” and still has not released the results, lol, his supporters look like fools. If you refuse to lose, at least just admit you’re a dictator.

Shampiss@sh.itjust.works on 07 Aug 2024 09:45 collapse

Western powers are willing to recognise Putin as the ruler of the Russian Federation

“A European Union spokesman said the elections were not properly monitored, nor conducted in a free and fair way. The governments of the UK, Germany and the US echoed this.” -BBC on the Russian 2021 elections

Here’s the article

This has always happened in the past Russian elections. The EU doesn’t push harder on this topic because they know these efforts won’t influence Russia

On Venezuela however, there’s a lot more chance that international pressure will cause changes. Maduro GTFO!

sandbox@lemmy.world on 07 Aug 2024 11:29 collapse

Sure, they’ll complain about it (and I notice you just skipped the mention of Saudi Arabia), but they will continue happily pretending like the leader of those countries aren’t dictators as long as they’re willing to play along with their desires and ideology.

The US and EU only care that Venezuela is led by a dictator because that dictator is opposed to their interests. If he was a pro-US, pro-EU, pro-NATO dictator, they wouldn’t give a fuck. Just a double standard.

Shampiss@sh.itjust.works on 07 Aug 2024 15:38 collapse

My brother what can they do?? They put diplomatic pressure and sanctions in place but there’s nothing more a country can do to influence another nation.

There are US and EU sanctions in Venezuela since years. But they still manage to live in their limited space.

Saudi Arabia is an Absolute Monarchy. They have a king and all that bullshit. The king is a de facto dictator BY DESIGN. that’s their constitution.

What do you expect us to say?? “hey, how about you abolish your whole political system? Because you know… We kinda don’t like it”

I don’t like it either bro but it is what it is. We have to live with that bullshit. Unfortunately there is no solution to everything

Name a dictator that gets political support from the EU

sandbox@lemmy.world on 08 Aug 2024 09:56 collapse

They can stop selling weapons and bombs to Saudi Arabia? Just a little idea, you know, just from the top of my head.

Shampiss@sh.itjust.works on 09 Aug 2024 08:37 collapse

Of course i would appreciate it if we stopped selling weapons.

The West is not perfect by any means. (and I noticed you skipped answering my question about dictators with EU support)

My point is that country leaders have limited influence. They can’t influence everything like you seem to suggest

sandbox@lemmy.world on 09 Aug 2024 09:49 collapse

I have never said that they should do anything (except stop selling weapons). My entire point, the entire way through this conversation, is that they have a double standard. I was just pointing that out - the ruling elite of “the West” don’t truly care whether a country is a dictatorship or not, they only care about how willing they to go along with their hegemonic interests.

If they were truly opposed to dictatorships, they would not arm them. Therefore, they don’t actually fucking care. It’s a pretty tight proof.