Italian Students Hang Elon Musk Effigy in Same Square When Mussolini's Corpse Was Displayed and Mutilated (www.latintimes.com)
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NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 17:24 next collapse

Based

Venicon@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 14:46 collapse

I’m 40 this year I may just be getting too old but what does Based mean? I searched for it online previously and the explanation confused me but I see it everywhere along with cap/no cap and bet.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 14:54 next collapse

Not much younger than you, but I got you on the definitions.

I’d say based is more or less the opposite of the kids calling things cringe. Speaking truth to power is definitely based.

Cap means a lie or posing. It can be used as a verb to accuse someone of lying to (i.e. “You’re capping”). To say no cap means “I’m dead serious”.

Bet is basically an analog to ok.

This slang all essentially comes from hip-hop and the surrounding culture around it.

Venicon@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 23:17 collapse

Thanking you kindly! I hear some of it at work but am often perplexed.

INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone on 24 Jan 2025 09:36 collapse

Real

mjhelto@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2025 10:27 collapse

Now what the fuck does real mean? 😭😭😭

INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone on 25 Jan 2025 19:15 collapse

It means your saying something that’s true 👍

bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works on 23 Jan 2025 23:38 next collapse
MBM@lemmings.world on 24 Jan 2025 10:46 collapse

One thing I’d like to add: based only really works with things that are at least vaguely political or controversial, it’s not just a drop-in for “cool” (and it’s also used ironically a lot)

ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jan 2025 17:25 next collapse

Now I’m a peaceful person, but I can’t deny there’s a slightly disappointing turn a few words into that headline.

jewbacca117@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 17:49 next collapse

Yea, too bad it’s just an effigy

sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.tech on 22 Jan 2025 22:03 collapse

Getting harder and harder to remain a peaceful person in current year.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 00:08 collapse

Time for peace is long gone, we’ve already let it get too far at this point.

cygnus@lemmy.ca on 22 Jan 2025 17:40 next collapse

It’s somewhat of a shame that they didn’t keep that Esso as a monument. That piece of land now harbours a McDonalds, which strikes me as deeply ironic.

sudneo@lemm.ee on 22 Jan 2025 20:04 collapse

To add a bit of context, it’s not universally celebrated. I don’t mean the killing of Mussolini or the fact that there are still fascists or nostalgics, but specifically the disfiguring of the bodies. Even among antifascists, even among partisans, there were those who considered it barbaric. Most famously, Sandro Pertini told the story (he was there, as a partisan) and famously said “I fight the enemy alive”. I think in this perspective, it’s understandable it has not made an official monument.

It’s still a good thing to remind to fascists of where they belong, but it’s not one of the proudest pages of Italian resistance.

magnetosphere@fedia.io on 22 Jan 2025 18:36 next collapse

Minor (but annoying) point:

…crafted from a garbage-filled sack with a print out of Musk's face affixed…

It’s clearly not a “garbage sack”. It has arms and legs, ffs. Hasn’t the author or editor ever heard of disposable coveralls?

Like I said, a minor point. Please carry on.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jan 2025 21:08 next collapse

It could be garbage bags. Just not only one.

bravesirrbn@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 21:29 next collapse

It says “garbage-filled sack” not “garbage sack”?

magnetosphere@fedia.io on 22 Jan 2025 22:56 collapse

Good catch. It still sure as hell isn’t a “sack”.

spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jan 2025 23:53 next collapse

Arguable, meat sack.

SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jan 2025 00:05 next collapse

What is a man? A miserable garbage sack of secrets.

Ultraviolet@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 02:22 collapse

A sack of garbage can be human shaped. Look at Elon Musk for example.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 22 Jan 2025 21:40 next collapse

To be fair Ex Husband to Justine Wilson is a garbage-filled skin sack.

FelixCress@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 21:51 collapse

It’s clearly not a “garbage sack”.

He was talking about Musk.

hmonkey@lemy.lol on 22 Jan 2025 18:55 next collapse

My great grandfather’s buddy took the Mussolini corpse photos while they walked through and sold them to Time magazine, it’s sort of a 6 degrees of separation thing but still a fun fact

lolrightythen@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 00:14 next collapse

I’m down! Apparently I’m one of 2 million descendants of john howland.

Didn’t learn of this until I stopped being an arborist.

These things are fun and worth hearing about.

lolrightythen@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 00:15 collapse

My understanding is that john fell off the mayflower and caught a rope, which saved him. Sounds like catching that rope wasn’t likely

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 04:16 collapse

My grandfather didn’t get any close-ups with historic fascists, but he did shoot two Nazi planes out of the sky.

And then my mom and dad voted Trump.

hmonkey@lemy.lol on 23 Jan 2025 13:35 next collapse

Yeah sometimes badassery skips a generation

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:06 next collapse

Clearly they haven’t seen famous antifa media like ‘Saving Private Ryan’, ‘Band of Brothers’, or ‘Come and See’ due to those flims being too radical.

mjhelto@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2025 10:28 next collapse

I’m sure there were fine people on both sides.

Miaou@jlai.lu on 24 Jan 2025 10:44 collapse

American propaganda pretending the Nazis are the devil and the USA saved the world is the reason this shit is happening.

If USA propaganda had taught instead that Hitler admired the USA’s segregation policy, and that popular opinion in the USA was way more favorable to him than anyone wants to admit, maybe things wouldn’t be as bad.

The Nazis didn’t pop out of nowhere being evil. They were just random blokes with evil ideology. Forgetting this makes it too easy to say “but he hasn’t killed 30m people, he’s not that bad!”.

Germany at least threw the failed painter in jail after the first coup attempt, Yankees couldn’t even do that with their golfer.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2025 10:56 collapse

This is why I think Nazi America + Nukes will be much worse than Nazi Germany could ever dream of being. Only time and apathy will tell.

3v1n0@feddit.it on 24 Jan 2025 00:55 collapse

😭😭😭😭

blakenong@lemmings.world on 22 Jan 2025 19:11 next collapse

But when I say it, it’s a call for action and I get banned from .world.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 19:19 collapse

Do do, not do say.

DarkFuture@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 21:12 next collapse

Fascists always end up swinging.

Wish we could just fast forward to that part.

Jax@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jan 2025 22:39 collapse

Unfortunately they only hang after they’ve destroyed countless lives.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 23 Jan 2025 01:58 collapse

Well, there are counterexamples. Oswald Mosley just kind of rotted in jail until everyone forgot about him, IIRC.

pH3ra@lemmy.ml on 22 Jan 2025 21:31 next collapse

I really needed a sequel of Italians vs. Billionaires

jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 22:10 next collapse

An effigy of the president of the united states??

gift_of_gab@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 2025 22:48 next collapse

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datavoid@lemmy.ml on 23 Jan 2025 00:28 next collapse

Musk […] dismissed the backlash, saying, “Frankly they need better dirty tricks. The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is soo tired.”

Someone end this man plz

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:03 collapse

Luigi was a good start but too bad the rest of us are cowards.

asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 24 Jan 2025 11:27 collapse

December 4th 2024, the day shit rolled uphill.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2025 11:32 collapse

I think the fact that they stormed the capitol over false claims of voter fraud, yet we don’t do anything when Nazi’s come into power, says more about us than them.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 01:00 next collapse

Bravissimo! We Germans should chuck a burned “Leon Hitler” effigy in front of Hitler’s bunker in Berlin.

SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 03:03 next collapse

Ah yes, the perfect opposite of Leon Kennedy

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:04 collapse

Don’t forget to use kerosine. It is tradition.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 04:14 next collapse

The article says…

…where the Tesla and SpaceX CEO made two stiff-armed salutes that many interpreted as a fascist gesture.

Can’t say I care for that characterization. Half the world is trying to gaslight me about this but my fucking eyes work.

Rooty@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 04:39 next collapse

This sort of chickenshit faux neutrality is why people are losing faith in corporate media.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:02 collapse

This sort of chickenshit faux neutrality, that seems to believe the smart and sensible position is political illiteracy and “working on themselves first”, is the greatest asset to fascists.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 16:57 collapse

The local TV here in Portugal also did the whole saying “that some consider a Nazi salute” thing in their news segment about this …

… and then showed Elon’s salute and a bunch of Nazis doing Nazi salutes as examples, leaving nobody in the audience but the blind in any doubt that Elon’s salute was the same as the salutes that the Nazis did.

Dragonstaff@leminal.space on 23 Jan 2025 23:40 collapse

Journalists are way too quick to 'both sides" stuff. (Not sure how much of an American problem it is.) I don’t think I’ve seen a single article that didn’t include the quote from those asinine Nazi sympathizers at the ADL.

THIS, I like. Sure, maybe you have to report that he claims it isn’t. But bring receipts.

tempest@lemmy.ca on 24 Jan 2025 00:35 collapse

The problem is they never want to be wrong and unless Elon comes out and says it was a Nazi salute publically the media dances around it. The right knows this and plays the game pretty well.

Dragonstaff@leminal.space on 24 Jan 2025 14:40 collapse

Sure. I understand if they feel they need to include that he claims it isn’t. (He hasn’t claimed it isn’t.) But the thing to do is to give your viewership context.

njm1314@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 05:18 next collapse

Now that’s how your protest.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:01 collapse

It’s a step in the right direction, for sure. Still 100% ineffective unless it’s an actual billionaire instead of a dummy, then we can start calling it a protest. Anything less is masturbation.

9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works on 23 Jan 2025 14:06 next collapse

Italians rule. First Luigi, now these guys

Scrollone@feddit.it on 23 Jan 2025 14:27 next collapse

Nazis must be hung!

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 14:58 next collapse

“No violence is justifiable” - People who protect Nazis

Dragonstaff@leminal.space on 23 Jan 2025 23:36 collapse

[Redacted] Nazis ain’t violence. It’s just taking out the trash.

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 24 Jan 2025 00:50 collapse

I know you’re joking but I don’t like this take, even as a joke. They’re people, and hurting them is violence. It just also happens to be the right course of action.

Honestly, punching a nazi is the most loving thing you can do for them in the moment that they’re being nazis, because it shatters their delusion of superiority, and that gives them a chance to change, and a life of hate is not a good life. It’s miserable.

You ever see this gif?

<img alt="" src="https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/c94198f2-5467-453f-8d9e-613db0d82e44.gif">

Honestly an improvement in that guy’s life. Witnesses said he took off his armband after he woke up. Did he lose his fascist ideas, or just learn they were extremely unpopular and got a violent reaction? Whatever it was, he learned that going around dressed as a nazi was a bad idea, and that’s progress however you slice it.

So rather than “nazis aren’t people” I prefer “punching a nazi is an act of love”.

Maldreamer@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2025 11:54 collapse

Wow, that punch was very satisfactory. I agree that we should be punching Nazis and neo Nazis

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 24 Jan 2025 12:08 collapse

I love everything about it. The “excuse me, sir, please be reasonable” gesture, the absolute unit of a punch, the way he drops like a sandbag, the clap, and the fact that no witnesses saw anything happen.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 23 Jan 2025 23:27 collapse

Hanged you mean

Unless you’re talking about their penises

Scrollone@feddit.it on 25 Jan 2025 00:27 collapse

Ah. English is not my native tongue so I thought hung was the passive form for hang. Sorry, and thanks for correcting me!

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 25 Jan 2025 08:10 next collapse

It’s confusing because hung is used except for people

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 01 Feb 2025 09:16 collapse

Don’t worry, this is such an obscure language rule that most native-speakers don’t really know it. It’s for the grammar nerds. If you say “hung” in this context, people will know what you mean, but technically, if it’s ever ambiguous, “hanged” is the very specific, very archaic term for execution by hanging.

return2ozma@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 14:31 next collapse

If Elon was just doing a Roman salute, then Luigi was just doing an Italian goodbye, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 14:58 collapse

“Hi Jack, bye Jack.”

AugustWest@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 17:05 collapse

He was a brave Italian avenger and in this Lemmy instance, Luigi Mangione is a hero. End of story!

glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz on 23 Jan 2025 23:49 next collapse

Is the Italian Prime Minister #Meloni not a “friend” of Elon musk?

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 23:54 collapse

The Italian left is awesome. The Italian right belongs upside down at a gas station

FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2025 11:47 collapse

The fuck are you talking about?? Our left party (PD - partito democratico) Is one of the whiniest and most useless party in the world, unable to pick up the class fight in favour of the working class and hellbent in carrying out the sistemic destruction of any real opposition to the current ruling class. Look into its management, Ellie Schlein, its current head, is the most vapid and personality-deprived politicians we’ve seen in the past 20 years, and I’m including Fassino in this list which should say a lot if you know Italian politics

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2025 19:50 collapse

Mostly about how about a hundred years ago yall flooded my hemisphere with badasses

asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 24 Jan 2025 11:21 collapse

Oligarchs are not bulletproof.

__nobodynowhere@lemm.ee on 23 Jan 2025 14:39 next collapse

WARNING NSFW: The Ultimate Fate of Mussolini

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 14:59 next collapse

That’s a good look for fascists.

3v1n0@feddit.it on 24 Jan 2025 00:54 collapse

They should make a big poster of this… As reminder!

Pixlbabble@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 14:47 next collapse

Wow imagine doing this and never watching the original video. An autistic guy said my heart goes out to you, just watch/listen to the source. smh

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 14:59 next collapse

I did, and I saw not one but two Nazis salutes. I don’t mean to be ablelist if you’re blind and could only hear audio.

Pixlbabble@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 15:09 collapse

Nazi salutes don’t start from the heart like a pledge of allegiance the flag of America does. What flavor is the kool-aid you drinking?

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 15:15 next collapse

i.imgur.com/cTxdXlu.mp4 …? Or maybe this i.imgur.com/TKduSxt.mp4 Or do these look the same to you - i.imgur.com/9MFAxT4.mp4

Pixlbabble@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 16:15 collapse

Check back in 4 years. Nazi has lost all its meaning they way its thrown around today.

in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jan 2025 16:37 next collapse

Musk already did a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd a couple days ago, check back on what exactly?

nepenthes@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 16:53 collapse

You asked for a nazi salute from the heart, and they gave you literal Hitler doing a salute from the heart.

And your reply to that is that the word Nazi has lost all meaning?!

My dude, you don’t even need critical thinking skills for this one. If you cannot straight up realize they are the same gesture, you may be suffering from brainwashing.

You see, the other way I know it’s the Nazi salute, is because their policies are Nazi politics. It wasn’t just the Jews who ended up in camps: it was people of colour, gay people, and the disabled. A lot of Trump’s executive orders/campaign speeches fit into categories concerning those people.

TheRealKuni@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 15:55 collapse

Are you a liar or ignorant? Or maybe both?

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thatgirlwasfire@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 2025 17:08 next collapse

We’ve all watched the video. Notice how when Elon is saying my heart goes out to you, he normally doesn’t sig heil.

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c463d101-a653-4fc1-ba7d-93a8b9dc4511.gif">

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katamari_22@lemmy.ml on 24 Jan 2025 02:10 next collapse

Wow imagine being a nazi simp. Smh

sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub on 24 Jan 2025 09:32 collapse

Don’t gaslight us. It was a nazi salute. And being autistic doesn’t make you do Nazi salutes, we were fucking murdered by Nazis too.

msage@programming.dev on 24 Jan 2025 00:09 next collapse

Just a small reminder that italians voted Mussolini’s niece to the government.

So they also swing both ways.

3v1n0@feddit.it on 24 Jan 2025 00:53 collapse

They voted him, but after that he started a golpe… That it could be even worse, but he didn’t initially took power just because of people will.

He mostly was loved by the richer class as a good way to stop communists and popular (leftie Christians)

ours@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2025 10:47 collapse

I think you’ve misread the comment. Italians voted for his niece to the current government,

himmyguap@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2025 02:26 collapse

If you do a search for this story there are almost no American media outlets reporting on it.