Germany to Trump: We won’t help you reopen the Strait of Hormuz (www.politico.eu)
from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 15:11
https://lemmy.ca/post/61886977

“This war has nothing to do with NATO. It’s not NATO’s war,” Stefan Kornelius, a spokesperson for German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, told reporters in Berlin on Monday. “NATO is a defensive alliance, an alliance for the defense of its territory,” he added.

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Bullerfar@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 15:23 next collapse

Good answer. Fuck Benjamin and Donald Ducks war. They don’t even know why they did it. NATO is not for undocumented wars.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 15:57 next collapse

NATO is not for undocumented wars.

Glances at the last 80 years of NATO history

:-/

Bullerfar@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 17:56 collapse

There is a huge difference though. No terror attacks on USA, they already said they “nuked them back to zero” with the other operation. They couldn’t define what the end-goal is for operation fury.

They don’t even agree on why they do this internally. And now they want other states to join in on a war happened because of Trumps small dick. I say fuck no. Let him have the consequences of this retarded administration for once. Let him dig his own grave.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 18:14 collapse

No terror attacks on USA

You just have to pretend Israel is part of the United States

Bullerfar@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 18:15 collapse

They are not, and isn’t a part of NATO

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 21:08 collapse

The United States is absolutely part of NATO.

And Israel functions as a forward operating base, from which European military powers can control the Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean. It’s fundamental to the Western allied control of North Africa and the Middle East, even before you get into its function as a money laundering outfit and testing bed for military technology and policing strategy.

European leadership has a closer relationship with Israeli military than Turkish military, as a point of comparison.

ClownStatue@piefed.social on 16 Mar 16:26 collapse

In fairness, they know exactly why they did it:

For The Idiot: Israel needs our help to stop the 40-something-year-old “imminent” threat of an Iranian nuclear bomb (that was supposedly already stopped earlier last year when we “thoroughly destroyed” thir enrichment labs.”

For Bibi, it’s an opportunity to realize Israel’s version of manifest destiny, and to kill people he doesn’t like. Remember how everyone was all, “Boy I hope W doesn’t go nuclear on the middle east” after 9/11? 10/7 has had the same effect on Bibi, except he was predisposed for the merciless violence. He’s never seen these adversaries as “people.” W rarely thought about them at all.

remon@ani.social on 16 Mar 15:25 next collapse

But not out of principle … our ships just don’t go that far without breaking down!

RandAlThor@lemmy.ca on 16 Mar 15:35 next collapse

lol is that true? are you german?

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Mar 15:45 next collapse

It is a bit of a meme in germany that our military equipment suffers from a lack of maintenance. Also there were a bunch of cases of new weapons systems just failing catastrophically or having huge security issues.

qyron@sopuli.xyz on 16 Mar 16:12 collapse

My country is a bit towards the south and nobody really knows how our ships still manage to float.

We have ships where the entire navigation suite has been replaced with a commercial GPS.

The guns are fired… Every now and then. Sparingly. We still have ammunition from the 70’s in stock. Some times we even manage to misplace equipment.

Yet somehow we’re considered as the reliable ally, although a bit… wierd.

_edge@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Mar 15:58 next collapse

“Bedingt abwehrfähig” is the bureacratic term the government uses to explain that the German military, in particular the equipment, is broken beyond any hope of repair.

Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 16:27 collapse

Germany sold some submarines to Greece that were leaning over on one side out the factory

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca on 16 Mar 17:17 next collapse

So Canada is buying the Korean ones then?

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca on 16 Mar 18:56 collapse

BMW makes submarines?

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 16 Mar 16:04 next collapse

Isn’t the pride of the German Navy a sailboat called the Gorch Fock?

crazycraw@crazypeople.online on 16 Mar 16:09 next collapse

hey gorch fock yourself

jk

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca on 16 Mar 18:55 collapse

Dunno but the German word for team is mannschaft, and there was a German cycling team using Giant bikes, so the were the Giant Mannschaft.

Giggity.

thefluffiest@feddit.nl on 16 Mar 20:39 collapse

And for 80 years, we were quit happy with that!

— love, your neighbors

GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 15:41 next collapse

“I would also like to remind you that the U.S. and Israel did not consult us before the war, and that Washington explicitly stated at the start of the war that European assistance was neither necessary nor desired,” Kornelius said.

Decq@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 17:17 next collapse

Are we going have that brain-dead ‘freedom’ fries bullshit again? Is this really going to be a repeat of 2003 Iraq? Seeing the limitless supply of brain rot in the US, probably we will.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca on 16 Mar 18:53 next collapse

“Get Ze fucked”

D_C@sh.itjust.works on 16 Mar 19:28 next collapse

“but…but…usually when I fuck things up someone sorts it out for me. Why won’t you fix my massive fuck up?”

Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Mar 19:32 next collapse

In the words of Knorkator

Geh aus dem Weg, du Arschgesicht

Eh mann, du stinkst nach Klo

Gib lieber auf, das schaffst du nicht

Und nun zurück in den Zoo

sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works on 16 Mar 20:15 collapse

Knorkator… That’s a name I haven’t heard for a loooong time and today I learned that they are back from their creative break… Since 2010 🤣

Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Mar 21:03 collapse

They have a double day gig at Columbiahalle in Berlin, and tickets are hot.

Aber… Zum Glück bin ich ein alter Mann, das geht mich alles nichts mehr an!

Jumi@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 20:09 collapse

For now, I’d dare a bet on Merz getting back to sucking corpo cock