Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jan 11:34
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Too bad for Canada, we are loosing a great asset. She will do good things for Ukraine, she is incredibly talented and smart, and Putin fears her.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jan 13:19
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Name one good thing she did with Trudeau.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 16:45
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There was nothing left for her here. She will never be able to detach herself from Trudeau’s legacy. She tried at the end but it was obviously too late.
A Canadian MP, who theoretically swore some sort of oath of office to serve the Canadian people, bails mid-term to serve a foreign power. CSIS had a report a little while ago about a bunch of Federal MPs who’s loyalties were with foreign interests, not with representing Canada and the Canadian people. I wonder if she was one of the ones on their list.
When you’re elected to represent your new home, you shouldn’t be representing your old countries interests. Doesn’t matter if she’s of Ukrainian ancestry. Just take that line, and swap it to China – we’ve a lot of elected reps who are of Chinese ancestry. “Clearly” people would take it as unacceptable if it came out that they were actually working for the interests of China, and/or if they reverted back to being members of the CCP mid-way through their term serving as Canadian representatives.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 15:07
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“ignore your family and homeland to hang out with your new friends instead” doesn’t seem to work like you want it to
If she couldn’t represent Canada and Canada’s interests without conflict of interests, she shouldn’t have been an MP in the first place, nor should she have been given any authority over the Country’s policies/direction.
Nothing inherently wrong with continuing to be involved with / supporting the interests of your former/ancestral home (to some extent) as a regular citizen. But when you take an oath of office to represent a nation, you shouldn’t have loyalties to other nations that undermine that oath. I don’t think this is a very complicated take on the situation, nor one that warrants further explanation.
Nothing inherently wrong with continuing to be involved with / supporting the interests of your former/ancestral home (to some extent) as a regular citizen.
There seems to be something wrong about it to you. You spend the rest of your paragraph countering what you said.
Not sure you’ve read it properly then. “As a regular citizen” is a qualifier in that statement, with the point being that once you take an oath of office there’s a different set of standards that apply. Once you take on a position of authority and power as an elected representative, you have an obligation to put the interests of your elected constituents before the interests of your ties to your foreign ancestral home.
But she isn’t a regular citizen. She’s both an immigrant and an elected leader. She is leading where she is needed. Stop whining she isn’t giving you all her attention. She isn’t a baby sitter and you’re a big boy. We all trust you can manage by yourself even if you don’t.
Yes, allies, sure. We’re tepid trading partners, as of 2017, a time when Ms Freeland had authority in Canada’s government - and which, given her current decision, it would be reasonable to question whether that trade arrangement was made because it was in Canada’s best interests, or was it more out of loyalty to Ukraine, with too many concessions made on the Canadian side?
We’re not official military allies, as they’re not in NATO. Preventing that alliance from being ‘formalized’ is/was a big part of russia’s thin justification for their aggression.
We’re both, in theory, democratic nations. Though in Ukraine’s case, that’s a very recent development, given that previous leaders were largely considered russian puppets – another theorized reason for russia’s aggression being that they lost their puppet. We may show solidarity with their plight against a russian aggressor, but I don’t think that inherently makes us allies.
Ukraine is about as much an ally of Canada as any other neutral third party country on the other side of the world.
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Too bad for Canada, we are loosing a great asset. She will do good things for Ukraine, she is incredibly talented and smart, and Putin fears her.
Name one good thing she did with Trudeau.
There was nothing left for her here. She will never be able to detach herself from Trudeau’s legacy. She tried at the end but it was obviously too late.
A Canadian MP, who theoretically swore some sort of oath of office to serve the Canadian people, bails mid-term to serve a foreign power. CSIS had a report a little while ago about a bunch of Federal MPs who’s loyalties were with foreign interests, not with representing Canada and the Canadian people. I wonder if she was one of the ones on their list.
When you’re elected to represent your new home, you shouldn’t be representing your old countries interests. Doesn’t matter if she’s of Ukrainian ancestry. Just take that line, and swap it to China – we’ve a lot of elected reps who are of Chinese ancestry. “Clearly” people would take it as unacceptable if it came out that they were actually working for the interests of China, and/or if they reverted back to being members of the CCP mid-way through their term serving as Canadian representatives.
“ignore your family and homeland to hang out with your new friends instead” doesn’t seem to work like you want it to
If she couldn’t represent Canada and Canada’s interests without conflict of interests, she shouldn’t have been an MP in the first place, nor should she have been given any authority over the Country’s policies/direction.
Nothing inherently wrong with continuing to be involved with / supporting the interests of your former/ancestral home (to some extent) as a regular citizen. But when you take an oath of office to represent a nation, you shouldn’t have loyalties to other nations that undermine that oath. I don’t think this is a very complicated take on the situation, nor one that warrants further explanation.
There seems to be something wrong about it to you. You spend the rest of your paragraph countering what you said.
Not sure you’ve read it properly then. “As a regular citizen” is a qualifier in that statement, with the point being that once you take an oath of office there’s a different set of standards that apply. Once you take on a position of authority and power as an elected representative, you have an obligation to put the interests of your elected constituents before the interests of your ties to your foreign ancestral home.
But she isn’t a regular citizen. She’s both an immigrant and an elected leader. She is leading where she is needed. Stop whining she isn’t giving you all her attention. She isn’t a baby sitter and you’re a big boy. We all trust you can manage by yourself even if you don’t.
Holding public officials to a higher standard is not in fashion these days I suppose.
You are pointing out a legitimate double standard. The only difference is that Ukraine and Canada are allies.
Thankfully there’s nothing in her resume that seems to point to her putting Ukraine’s interests over Canada’s.
Yes, allies, sure. We’re tepid trading partners, as of 2017, a time when Ms Freeland had authority in Canada’s government - and which, given her current decision, it would be reasonable to question whether that trade arrangement was made because it was in Canada’s best interests, or was it more out of loyalty to Ukraine, with too many concessions made on the Canadian side?
We’re not official military allies, as they’re not in NATO. Preventing that alliance from being ‘formalized’ is/was a big part of russia’s thin justification for their aggression.
We’re both, in theory, democratic nations. Though in Ukraine’s case, that’s a very recent development, given that previous leaders were largely considered russian puppets – another theorized reason for russia’s aggression being that they lost their puppet. We may show solidarity with their plight against a russian aggressor, but I don’t think that inherently makes us allies.
Ukraine is about as much an ally of Canada as any other neutral third party country on the other side of the world.
I think you mean “of Nazi heritage”
The Nazi heritage of her grandfather, whom she celebrates as her political inspiration, outranks his Ukrainian heritage.
But, I guess I shouldn’t expect anything more of a country that gave a standing occasion to a living Nazi in the 2020’s.
Thank goodness we don’t judge people based on their heritage, like Nazis.
No, but you can certainly judge people when they hold their Nazi forefathers up as their political inspiration, as Freeland has done repeatedly.
Grandfather was a Nazi - you don’t get judged for that.
Grandfather was a Nazi and you celebrate him politically - you absolutely get judged.
Nice try with attempting to tar critics of the person who celebrates her Nazi heritage as Nazi’s though.
Maybe rephrase your comment if you don’t want it to be interpreted the way I interpreted it.
Ukraine’s security IS in Canada (and the world’s) interest