Israel’s PM Netanyahu orders ‘powerful, immediate’ attacks on Gaza (www.aljazeera.com)
from geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to world@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 17:34
https://lemmy.ml/post/38187649

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the military to carry out “powerful” attacks in Gaza, his office says.

It comes after Netanyahu alleged Hamas committed a “clear violation” of the ceasefire deal. For its part, Gaza’s Government Media Office accused Israel of committing 125 violations of the ceasefire since it came into effect on October 10, including killing 94 Palestinians.

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1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 17:45 next collapse

i feel like bibi just wanted an excuse to attack gaza.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 17:55 next collapse

They colonized palestine using excuses

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:01 collapse

well Palestine isn’t a real country yet, if you mean mandatory Palestine that’s a different place and time. also palastina which was named by the romans was a place IN Judea that had “different people”. aside from history, what isreal has is a group of people who think that they can build a house where other people live and the goverment lets them, the settlers as they are called. Yeah that shit ain’t good. I just want a fucking 2 state so isreal has their half, and gaza/west-bank can have their own place, and just leave each other the fuck alone.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 18:13 next collapse

I never used the word country but the area when Israel forced it state was called mendatory Palestine so it fair to say Palestine.

Judea was destoryed long before zionism it didn’t exist when zionists started migrating to Palestine

A two state is dead because of israel building settlements with impunity for decades. How can a weak newly formed palestinian state would handle 2 millions arabs that lived in Israel moving there? I don’t even think Israel can handle 750k settlers moving to Israel

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:30 collapse

eh, getting into Zionist stuff is different for me, i am of the mind that Jewish does not equal Zionist, and that the average Israeli that is Jewish, is most likely not a Zionist, just the extremists.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 18:51 collapse

Nobody said that Jewish equate Zionism here. Actually it is pro genocide and settler colonialism in Palestine who try to equal Jewishness with Zionism. It is also a fact that Israel never accepted to give a full Palestinians state on all the land occupied by Israel with all it’s right including an army

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:53 collapse

yes i am aware of the history, that’s why i want 2 states, because the Palestinians deserve their own state.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 18:57 collapse

Which every single israeli leaders refused

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:59 collapse

2-state solution? arafat did as well, but i agree Israel doesn’t do a good job of pushing it.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 19:02 collapse

Arafat did recognize Israel in his letter to Rabin after signing Oslo while Rabin never did and even say we will give less than a state to palestine with no control over border,airspace etc

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 28 Oct 18:41 next collapse

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nytimes.com/…/conference-of-zionists-elect-delega…

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:43 collapse

yeah…its as if Zionism…isn’t a new thing. im lost on the point your trying to make.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 18:59 next collapse

That’s not the point , the point is that zionists acknowledge that the whole land was called palestine before the creation of Israel and that they wanted to accupy the whole land from the beginning

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 19:01 collapse

ok again, did i say i am defending Zionists? maybe i didn’t make it clear, but i don’t support Zionism.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 19:03 collapse

You are discusding in bad faith you keep accusing me of stuffs I never said

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 19:13 collapse

Ok I’m not let me put it another way, your preaching to the choir.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 19:19 collapse

I am not preaching to the choir you said multiple factually wrong stuffs that I corrected

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 28 Oct 19:04 collapse

Will colonize Palestine

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 19:07 collapse

Yeah bibi is a piece of work and belongs behind bars for a long time.

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 28 Oct 19:22 collapse

In response to this

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1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 19:57 collapse

but its not…tell me how im wrong.

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 28 Oct 20:11 collapse

What you said is like saying ‘New York is not a country’ if Uzbekistan says they want to colonize New York.

The entire concept of ‘countries’ in the Middle East is stupid because all of the ‘countries’ we have now were invented in the 19th century by Sykes Picot. Egypt didn’t exist as a ‘country’. Syria didn’t exist as a ‘country’. Palestine didn’t exist as a ‘country’.

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 20:24 collapse

ok

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 22:51 collapse
Quote from Introduction

> First documented in the late Bronze Age, about 3200 years ago, the name Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη; Arabic: , Filastin), is the conventional name used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and various adjoining lands. This work explores the evolution of the concept, histories, identity, languages and cultures of Palestine from the Late Bronze Age to the modern era. Moreover, Palestine history is often taught in the West as a history of a land, not as Palestinian history or a history of a people. This book challenges colonial approach to Palestine and the pernicious myth of a land without a people (Masalha 1992, 1997) and argues for reading the history of Palestine with the eyes of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are the indigenous people of Palestine; their local roots are deeply embedded in the soil of Palestine and their autochthonous identity and historical heritage long preceded the emergence of a local Palestinian nascent national movement in the late Ottoman period and the advent of Zionist settler-colonialism before the First World War.

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 23:08 collapse

thank you, farmer brown.

Nanook@lemmy.zip on 28 Oct 17:57 collapse

Bibi don’t want to go to jail

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca on 28 Oct 18:02 next collapse

Bibi better goto jail.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 28 Oct 18:25 collapse

And wants that land

Maeve@kbin.earth on 28 Oct 19:44 collapse

And wants to genocide all his neighbors.

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Oct 18:58 next collapse

Death to the Genociders

Shamber@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 19:01 next collapse

This cunt has never spoken a word truth in his entire miserable life, his default setting is blatant lies, and this will never change, the pathetic part is he’s pretending that anyone but absolute inbread cunts actually believe a word he says

DarkFuture@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 19:35 next collapse

But Trumptards told me Donald Trump brought peace to the region?

altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Oct 21:39 collapse

Israeli side is still a prevalent voice in covering the conflict with no voice leveraged to the same stage from palestinians, so whatever happens the mainstream news would be in their hands. It is an unequal exchange by design. It is hard to even start a dialog about peace if one side is a state recognized by everyone and the other is not.

One way is to start to recognize Palestine internationally, the other is to undo recognition of Israel. These tho can happily coexist.

I have no firm belief about this whole situation, but at the very least I don’t find any reason for israelis to scale up their territory. If they are to have their 50s borders in the end, no israeli settler or IDF fighter has any right to cross that line, that they do as we speak. These are terrorist acts, and a genocide, and if Israeli dream can’t be achieved without that, it is to be dismantled.