Trump mulls 'winding down' war and leaving Strait of Hormuz crisis to 'other nations'
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Mar 01:16
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Mar 01:16
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He says other nations will have to guard and police the Strait of Hormuz as necessary, after his attacks on the country prompted Iran to target vessels in the crucial world shipping lane. Mark Stone analyses the Truth Social post.
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You break it, you buy it, loser
Yeah, quitting and going away is the best he can do. If he does that, other countries will work down some way to fix things.
Thats your MO. Come in, shit all over everything, ruin people’s lives, and leave. Please leave this plane of existence immediately.
If only the other nations would hold us responsible. They should be placing sanctions on is like those that were on Russia. Then it would actually make some Republicans non maga, start to move away from maga
I hate to say I agree with you. The only way to teach this generation in power is spanking. They only understand pain then fear it
The only way to teach any generation in power is spanking; the only difference between this generation and previous ones is that previous ones still remembered the last round of spanking.
America has never been spanked.
Your right pearl harbor and 911 were just time outs lol
9/11 was a bloody nose that hurt the US’s pride more than anything else. Any actual damage came from America trying to stop the bleeding by spending two decades stabbing itself in the heart.
What an “I love being an awful piece of shit” thing to say.
Pearl harbour resulted in Hiroshima Nagasaki, which obliterated Japan as a political opponent. The US has no reason to look back at that and fear, because they won.
9/11 was an inside job.
Dad here, this is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my life. If I ever need to physically abuse a 6 year old to get my point across I’ll just kill myself.
Who said anything about 6 years olds? We're talking about physically abusing 60-year old warmongering gerontocrats.
The person who suggested the reason for all the world’s ills was not enough corporal punishment for children
Uh that's clearly a metaphor, the intended meaning being that the current generation of global elites has no reason to fear the masses because the masses haven't done enough to make fearing them necessary. "All the world's ills stem from lack of corporal punishment" is outrageous enough that you should consider the possibility that you misunderstood.
The comment you’re replying to is clearly sarcasm, and this is a weird take…like, even Trump waited til the kids were 12.
Like hell it would. It would just make them double down and become even more nationalistic.
Forcing the country to subsidize local jobs? That wouldn’t hurt right now
Sanctions would work as well on the US as they work on Iran.
Maybe but that would do little to actually prevent the US from doing evil shit, because US imperialism is bipartisan.
Oh boy here comes the everyone in the U.S. is bad opinion that we will see for the next 8 months. Sorry, but anyone who has any resentment for MAGA either votes for Democrats or chooses MAGA to thrive further more.
You said zero about who needs to be voted out, you gave no examples of specific bad actors like Brandon Sherman who is most likely to have intentionally given false information to the Democrats in an effort to subvert combatting the attacks against Iran sooner if at all. (71 year old Jewish man who took $777,000 from AIPAC to acquire his position) And secured a $21 million dollar deal for a U.S. Israel co-op directly after.
I’ve never been a registered Democrat, but it is highly evident that people who hate on Democrats in general with no facts, no evidence, all want what is happening now. They don’t want people to show up at the polls and vote for anyone other than what is in now. So since 2022, all “generalized” hate against the only opposition party that can be different instead of pointed acts of reform of the party, has been a direct act of support for MAGA.
Sir this is a Wendy's. Even if everything you said was true (it's not), it has literally nothing to do with what I said. The vast majority of the DNC supports imperialism whether you like it or not.
You are a MAFA supporter, thanks for identifying yourself for the rest of time
What’s MAFA? Biden was close to Israel, Obama had record drone kills, and ofc Bush has the blood of countless innocents on his hands. Get it together and grow up: America has been a global villain since WW2 (it was a regional one before), it goes beyond party lines, the empire will do what it wants and each both sides of the political spectrum just serve aesthetic and therapeutic purposes for the two American pluralities… but, ofc, democracy is just a pressure valve and narrative creation device, the American empire has been co-opted by the MIC for a long time and now by anational technological corporations, fund management firms and foreign interests, and whether war starts and continues or not has everything to do with their infighting (not ideological, but profit based) and nothing to do with the will of the American people (and a good chunk are bloodthirsty and militaristic enough they’re ready for war regardless).
Nothing in what you said negates the fact that American can be better or it can be worse.
There is always a choice.
But it does explain why it won’t be better.
America is no better than Russia on the world stage.
Your first sentence is that of absolute stupidity, your second I agree with fully
Oh goodie a braindead take who once again stands to protect the pedophiles. Obama inherited wars and withdrew 70% of the troops from the middle East trying to clean up a Republican mess and depression. No one said anything about him being good but you went out of your way to hate on him because at heart you are a MAGA bootlicker. “Biden was close to Israel” isn’t even a fucking action. He was a fucking dumbass, but you are standing here defending war mongerers. Biden finished what Obama did and finally got our troops out of Afghanistan instead of continuing a giant mess of slaughter and money waste where we should have never been. No one is saying he was great, once again let me restate it. Either you are a pro NAZI pro war pro killing brown people for fun, or you find a way to focus on getting rid of bad Democrats to reform the party because everyone in the U.S. and abroad is either pro Democrats, or pro MAGA.
It’s MAGA or opposition, and the ONLY opposition is the democratic party. So you are a Democrat, or you are MAGA. Guess what, I won’t be registering as a democrat, but you can’t even register to become MAGA, because they are just a terrorist organization.
One with strong support from you so far
Besides the bribed politicians, every leader and country who has tried to escape American control has been “dealt with”. The local rapist is buff and heavily armed.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the…
Trump is unhinged enough to drop nukes on a country before the end of his term, not to mention all the lickspittles he has around Europe (Salvini, Meloni, Orban, Farage) ready to drum up support for US decisions.
Israel is the one likely to use nukes, they want to, and a third of the president’s base, his primary base, the evangelicals, would support doing so. European allies won’t support it, because fallout if for no other reason.
I don’t think Israel will get support to use them, but if anyone is using them, it’s at their orders.
Sanctions have never worked that way. They often end up doing the opposite and bolstering nationalism.
We hold you responsible, but not the leaders—they’re too cowardly…
In fact, we’re held hostage by all those thugs in the government
What the fuck do you mean sanction the USA? Do you realize how badly that would fuck over any middle power? Even if the USA didn’t retaliate at all, even the act of sanctioning the USA would be a death sentence to the economies of most western allies
MO implies there was planning this far ahead.
There was, but its ‘more money me’ and that plan is working wonders. Look at his family’s networth now.
Pigeon management: Fly in, shit on everything, strut around like you’re the best and then fly away without a care.
Seagull management is the name
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagull_management
The one you’re referring to is playing chess with a pigeon.
goodreads.com/…/11427530-arguing-with-idiots-is-l…
But both are applicable
Yeah but they are actually super fascinating. I read a book about them and couldnt stop reading. So much cool stuff about pigeons.
Don’t insult pigeons like that.
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I mean I wanna upvote but this has my AI sensor sus.
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LMAO this fucking guy
So that means he is gonna attack Kharg Island, doesn’t it? Or launch a ground invasion elsewhere in Iran?
He likes to do this stupid transparent 4D chess stuff to try and keep people off balance
I’m sure you can just watch the betting sites, going to be some random 3 million dollar bet two hours before it happens and that’ll be junior cashing in.
It’s not your fault but I hate that you’re right. We live in the fucking torment nexus timeline.
America: I’ve had enough.
Iran: I didn’t hear no bell.
They have no reason to start letting US ships through the strait and America has no ability to stop them.
Well according to Chief Cheeto, that doesn’t matter because the USA “doesn’t use it” 🤦♂️
Ignore the $4/gal sign at your nearest gas station.
America is a net exporter of oil, Trump could limit the export of oil or make a deal with Venezuela or reduce domestic demand by investing in mass transit and renewables, but any of those would be as bizarre as expecting Richard Nixon to make a trade deal with communist china.
A whole new transit network is not going to be there in time for the midterms. Venezuela’s oil industry isn’t what it used to be, and the US is a net exporter anyway, like you said.
Banning export might actually cure the symptom. The costs would not be zero either, though.
Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now. At least until storage is filled which will take a good bit of time (US strategic oil reserves are basically empty). The US gas prices aren’t high because there is no gas in the US, there is just more profit in selling it overseas.
I’m not quite sure I understand. Import to the US? Obviously, nobody’s importing from the US if there’s a straight up ban.
The nationality of the ships isn’t important.
Anyway, Iran won’t keep antagonizing the entire world if their existence isn’t at risk. They haven’t been acting like crazy.
It is; Iranian, Indian and Chinese shipping, among others, is being allowed through the straits. Also you're right, but as long as America gets to just bomb them at any moment their existence is at risk, so they'll want some kind of guarantee this won't happen again.
If it’s closed to the US, the ships that go there will just register at Malaysia or whatever.
Remember the Houthi blockade? It's not that simple.
Iran ain’t stupid. Most ships aren’t registered under the flag of the nations they haul to anyway.
Backing off means allowing Israel/US to do this again in the future. I don’t think they’re done yet especially since their Supreme Leader got assassinated by the US.
I still want to know why Iran had it’s supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war. Some said maybe the supreme leader wanted to be a martyr, ok, but why was everyone else that was there there? Including the son of the supreme leader. Something stinks about this, Idk what, but there is some fuckery afoot.
You dropped your tin foil hat buddy.
How do you figure that? The supreme leader, his son, and military higher ups gathered at the ayatollah’s compound knowing Israel and the US were going to attack, and knowing Israel wanted to assassinate the Supreme Leader in the prior war.
One would have to be quite dishonest or slow to not question why they decided to gather there then, and the newspapers did ask that very question, including the guardian.
So frankly, your critique says a lot about your own quality.
US negotiation meetings were scheduled for the next monday. He was very old, and a succession to his son, would seem an opportunity to fake his martyrdom for national unity, if somehow zionist axis thought this was a good idea to hit his house.
King Charles, relies on thinking it would be a bad idea for US to bomb Buckingham Palace for his security.
Israel attacked them in the last war when they were in peace negotiations. So that talks were scheduled is no excuse for not practicing good opsec for their leadership. King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US and Israel so I don’t see how that is a good analogy. Iran’s supreme leader was almost assassinated last war, they knew, or should have known, they were going to do it.
If it’s just about his martyrdom, why include all the other higher ups, and his son? Perhaps the Iranian hardliners tipped off the Israelis is where I’m going with this. I don’t necessarily think the hardliners are wrong at this point don’t get me wrong, this war was going to happen, and the old guard doesn’t quite get it.
50/50 on whether it would increase UK sycophancy to US, even though it was unreasonable to expect Iran to be “convinced of US’s force for good” from their attack. The point that the attack only results in loss of prestige/attitudes towards US is the reason to not worry about “the surprise attack”.
Shorter answer, in hindsight this turned out not to be the most self-preserving decision. It’s not a complicated conspiracy.
Himdsight my foot, I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader, but they didn’t? Why the fuck not? The Martyr thing only works if his son didn’t get hit too along with all those other military higher ups.
The only reason to do so is to make sure Iran doesn’t surrender, and to ensure that Iranian people back IRGC retaliation. If you knew this, then you know that Israel are just subhuman POS, that made this their objective. Sometimes Zionazi axis pretends that it would like a new liberal loving Iran instead of an angry Iran.
First of all yes the Israelis are clearly Nazi, they forced the Palestinians into ghettos and Levy brutal Collective punishments against them, it’s not subtle. So yes on that.
As to their purpose in this war, this operation Epstein’s Fury where they are using the blackmail they have on American politicians and the president of them fucking children with Epstein to force this war, which is exactly what is going on here, I believe it is simply as a foil, for domestic political reasons, 80% supports going after the boogeyman that is Iran, even after peace they will reach across the border whenever they need a domestic political boost. This is a Forever War.
Nationality matters. Didn’t India negotiate passage for their ships? I can imagine Iran will happily let ships through from countries that cut ties with the US. Don’t host US bases, don’t use dollars to pay for oil. That sort of thing.
Maybe allowing any country’s ships through except the us ships would be better.
It shows that Iran is open to some form of conversation or negotiation whilst also saying to the us that their war starting shit won’t be tolerated.
And to come back in 12-15 years after there’s been a few different presidents to see if they’ve changed their warmongering ways. (<-- Haha, yeah)
The problem is no one registers their ships from their actual country. There are a few countries that everyone registers their ships to, so it’s not quite as simple as that, there are hidden paper trails connecting many of these boats to their true owners.
Liberia, Panama, and the Marshall Islands are the bigger ones.
Their existence is at risk as long as the US has military bases in the region.
Well, Iran has goals, but just ruining the world isn’t one of them. Probably they’ll charge fees and let traffic through selectively.
Negotiating an official solution to reopening it with other regional nations it is also a possibility. They can always shut it again if the US comes back.
There are very few US ships.
Almost every ship from a western country flies a “flag of convenience” from a country like Liberia, Panama, the Marshall Islands, etc. If they flew the US flag they’d be subject to US laws, and have to meet US safety standards, pay taxes to the US government, etc.
The few US ships that exist are there to meet the requirements of the Jones Act which requires that shipments from a US port to another US port be done by ships owned by a US citizen, crewed by US citizens / permanent residents, built in the US, and so-on. These ships only serve US-to-US trips, so they don’t go through the Strait of Hormuz. Incidentally, this is a big reason why prices in Hawaii are so high. Only US-flagged carriers can bring supplies from the US to Hawaii. And, with a population of only 1.5 million, it’s not really efficient to send huge ships from other countries to Hawaii.
They can still track ships that go to the US and Israel, same way Yemen did.
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Trump mulls all sorts of stuff. Invading Greenland and Canada come to mind, as do hamberders and cofefe.
*covfefe
It’s not the Strait of Hormuz crisis, it’s Trump’s Middle East Epstein Distraction War. Not to be confused with Trump’s South American Epstein Distraction War.
Oh Sky, Sky, Sky. Don’t bullshit the world when everyone knows you’re doing it. Trump fantasizes about all kinds of things, and realistically there’s zero chance he’ll just pull out. Rule #1 of Mr. Orange is to maximize corruption, and ending wars minimizes that.
I mean, TACO is a meme for a reason. Invading Greenland would have seemed pretty corrupt to me.
The goal is to sow chaos so he can consolidate power.
And distract from the epstein files
Comes in, shits the room and leaves.
So running away and leaving the mess for his victims to clean up. Much like he probably did to the children he raped.
I started the war, you all finish it! Thank you for your attention to the matter!
🫲🍊🫱
Vietnam speedrun any%
It did achieve the intended distraction from Trump’s Epstein issues quite well though, they’ve been off the press radar since this began.
he realized the venezuelan invasion wasnt enough, so he likely contacted bibi to start a war to distract the MSMs.
Only, what, 12 more pointless wars and he can coast to the end of his term without epstein coming up again.
Once the war news slows down and then another Epstein news hits, won’t it come back but stronger?
The Epstein thing has lasted so long because it’s being drip fed into the news cycle, I honestly think they would have been better off if they just released it all at once.
Didn’t think TACO even applied to military action, learn something new every day I guess.
i’d rather have him chicken out than continue a pointless war though
He truly should have gotten that peace price shouldnt he.
America doesn’t lose wars, it loses interest
And at the same time he deployed a fuck load more marines to Karg.
he calls them suckers and losers, he wants them to soak up the ammunition from iran.
Marines have not been deployed to Kharg yet, unless I missed something.
What you’re seeing here is just classic Trump, utterly indecisive, utterly lacking in any ability to make long term plans. This is why he doesn’t like war; it demands long term planning and punishes impulsivity (at least at the strategic level).
Currently he’s stuck between two bad options. He can abandon the fight, or he can go all in. Both choices hurt him, just in different ways. And because he’s a creature of pure id who craves constant adulation and approval, he’s doing what he usually does and sounding those choices out in public to see what plays / feels best.
US ships, USS Abraham Lincoln group, moved back 3 times, now 1000km away, because it was targetted. Any USS Tripoli mission will need to sail past entire Iranian coast to get to Kharg.
Strongest navy in the world ladies and gentlemen
Trump expects the world to go to war with Iran. What will actually happen is that the world will re-establish diplomacy with Iran and offer sanctions relief to end the blockade.
Without war reparations, American ships will forever be barred from sailing the strait, and Gulf states will likely start distancing themselves from the US and re-assess hosting American bases and troops.
Trump’s victory looks an awful lot like a strategic defeat that sees the US pull out of the Middle East and leave Iran in a more powerful position then before.
It also undermines the entire petrodollar/Bretton Woods system that gives the almighty US dollar its power. This will be a big win for China, when countries start trading in their USD for Yuan buy oil.
Bretton Woods died with Nixon.
And it will all be spin as America First and what’s left of MAGA will cheer.
But why would Trump do that if it’s exactly what Putin wants????
The servants will clean up the bed I shat.
“Someone else shat in my bed, good thing I have servants to clean it up.”
He’d never take responsibility.
It was my diaper that was full but someone else shat in it. I think it was Pete or lil Marco, one of those two who SHAT THE BED!
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“Biden shat in my bed…” Fixed it for you.
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“Let Biden clean it up again…”
As Trump would say, « Biden should never have attacked Iran »
Look at that, Trump is about to end another war. That’s another FIFA peace price right there.
Trump wont be happy when the “other nations” solve the problem by simply making deals with Iran
By buying oil in Euros or Yuan 😏
The same countries supplying USA with arms and condemning Iran one-sidedly?
So his war slogan is I break you fix?
If farting and leaving the room was a president
He is doing that on a regular basis.
The fart ends when a shit begins
I wonder when was the last time Donny trusted a fart?
Nothing that comes out of Donald can be trusted.
Operation Epstein’s Fury ends when Israel says it ends. Which it won’t. Even when it ends Israel will reach across the border regularly on some pretext or another.
This is just the president trying to get everyone else to help secure the straits for oil shipments, threatening to walk away.
Just leave a giant steaming dump on the elevator for the custodian to clean up. That’s his job, he gets paid for it.
If America pulls out, what would happen to Israel?
Would they continue? Can they take on Iran alone and bring the regime change they keep promising?
Would the US just give them guns and ammunition to continue?
We know that if Israel wanted to take Iran solo, they would have already done that. This might blow up in Bibi’s face.
GCC will move closer to Iran as a block that will make Israel take a more humanist attitude to region.
israel has been targeting iran regularly, like thier nuclear scientists and facilities. they wont stop.
Hey, if he pulls the military back out from the Middle East, he can take credit for ending another war that he obviously won single-handedly. Plus he can get another Nobel Prize…
Nobel is old and busted. Obviously the FIFA peace trophy is the new hotness.
Watch it become the Michelin star somehow.
News Headline: Trump awards himself Medal of Honor.
This would be the most constructive possible act by US. GCC will organize peace among themselves. Their customers will help reconstruct and ensure peace in the region.
If you’re iran, what’s stopping you from charging a toll for anyone using the strait?
Oh, you want your oil tanker to leave the gulf? That’ll be one million dollars.
Make an exemption for oil traded in non-usd for maximum fun.
That’s kind of what they are already doing.
Source? Not saying you’re wrong, but I haven’t heard this anywhere.
I only heard about this one so far
independent.co.uk/…/iran-shipping-route-strait-of…
Literally nothing. Trump proved time and time again that you can be the most brazen scumbag on the planet and suffer no consequences.
No consequences yet. I’m hopeful some kind of Iranian batman will show up and settle the score.
They’ve already pitched the idea of a 10% toll
Basically incompetence. Iran (and Houtis) have been hitting ships they clearly were not supposed to hit. It is not necessarily easy to figure out which ship is which. So even ships that are allowed by Iran are scared of crossing rn. Also, mines don’t discriminate.
This is current state of shipping in SoH. Everyone who goes through has some deal with Iran to pass safely. Iran has offered an “Islamic assembly” (UN/NATO like) peace deal for neighbours. Backup plan if GCC does not ally with Iran is to keep the toll system.
One ship reportedly paid Iran $BritishPounds2B to go through. $ and Euro are worthless to Iran because of corrupt banking system. All payments in CNY already.
If youre ona phone keyboard holding “$” should give you other currency symbol options. £, €, ₩ etc. Otherwise the usual syntax to denote pounds is to leave off the symbol and append GBP. Eg £2B or 2B GBP are easier to read and easier to type.
If you’re in Iran, the US doesn’t have an iron dome. And drones made it over military bases housing hegseth and others.
I thought they were just lying about the drones for attention.
For attention, or a false flag?
If the US leaves, then Iran will probably open the Strait.
It’s a shame Israel won’t let them leave.
This is not how wars work. Considering the nature of ICE, it would be easy for Iran to embed operatives within America, and no one would be able to tell the difference.
The American-Iranian war will drag on for at least a decade, even if open combat was ended today.
makes mess; leaves it for everyone else to clean up
Unrelated but why is he so white in the picture?
New shade of self tanning cream?
Apparently the spray paint guy was a reservist.
The amount of orange goop varying drastically is nothing new
Retreating. The word he is looking for is ‘retreat’. Also known sometimes as ‘surrender’.
Imagine if Iran had allied with ISIS, killed the US President and bombed several US schools, then a couple of weeks later Iran’s leader goes “anyway, we are winding down this war. It is someone else’s problem now.”
That’s not how war works.
You can bet Iran is ok with letting bygones be bygones
What makes you say that?
“I messed this place up, hey you clean it up”, classic college bully mentality
mull is such a kind word for dementia
Tl;dr: we’re fucked in the short run, but the world won’t forget this in the long run.
ELI5: Isreal is screwed.
Is it mission accomplished yet guys!?
Perhaps the US military told the idiot this is far as you go. Typical of him to leave the situation as a cluster fuck. At least Japan will receive safe passage for their oil.
Yeah that’s why nobody wanted to touch this mess with a 10 ft pole.
He’s done what he wanted. Epstein is permanently out of the news.
rename it the Epstein Straight of Hormuz. with a Sharpie
Dotards mull. That’s what they do. Lil’ Kim was right.
They can start all the wars they want, tell me aliens exist, send out checks, it doesn’t matter. I’ll never shut the fuck up about Epstein and these pedos.
1- Start a war 2- Lose it 3- Make others fight for you instead 4- ??? 5- Profit (?)
TACO-in-chief! As well as being the best friend of the pedophile Epstein. Seems Operation Epstein Fury is a failure.