Despite war and sanctions, Russia becomes a high-income economy (economictimes.indiatimes.com)
from anticolonialist@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 05 Jul 2024 23:51
https://lemmy.world/post/17268482

Despite sanctions by Western countries against Russia due to the Ukraine war, the country has become a high-income economy from an upper-middle income economy. In its latest rankings, the World Bank has promoted the Russian economy to the top income category.

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BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 00:01 next collapse

They have been dumping money into war production; works amazing for a few years. However, all that money and labor isn’t getting invested into the future of the country, it is getting invested into equipment and people to be blown up in Ukraine.

frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 00:08 next collapse

What’s your expertise/education on the subject?

WadeTheWizard@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 00:41 collapse
anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 02:56 next collapse

That’s not the bullshit package Americans were sold. Our government swore US sanctions were gonna decimate their economy and bring Russia to its knees.

obinice@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 04:06 next collapse

Nothing we can do about idiots that believe everything they’re told. I doubt their government actually stated that these economic sanctions would bring Russia to its knees, that was probably sensationalist media reporting that the gullible in the general populace ate up without using a brain cell to consider the matter.

The sanctions are mostly doing their job, Russia’s economy is being kept at this level thanks to decisions that help in the short term but will have disastrous consequences long term.

Anything can happen of course, but as things stand unless they’re bailed out in a big way in the long term by becoming an economic vassal of say, China, they’ve got big problems on the horizon. Thanks in great part to the sanctions of the USA and of course ourselves in Europe.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:09 collapse

I doubt their government actually stated that these economic sanctions would bring Russia to its knees

Those were their exact words.

Cobrachicken@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 12:12 collapse

Just let’s wait a bit. Those folks bringing the money “home” will not last long in their cope cages.

Badeendje@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 05:18 collapse

LoL, the cheerleaders of totalitarianism are out again.

Yeah, also paying poor schmucks from the boonies to come and fight. Minimum wage in Russia translates to a bit over 200 dollars, war pay for contractniki is around 2000 dollars. This is also great for the economy in numbers. It will show an uptick, untill you cannot pay anymore. And down the line, the numbers of able bodied men contributing to the economy will also be lower… But that is a problem for future Russia, while the war is a problem for current Putin.

TheBigBrother@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 00:16 next collapse

Let’s see what the wokie globalist Lemmy echo chamber say about this…

macrocephalic@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 00:53 next collapse

It’s leftie to not like a country aggressively invading another one unprovoked?

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snooggums@midwest.social on 06 Jul 2024 01:25 next collapse

Wartime spending is temporary and will lead to massive layoffs and a recession when Putin’s failed attempt to start WWIII finally ends.

It isn’t like the US post WWII where there is a world waiting to buy the excess US manufacturing output to rebuild. Our decline in manufacturing is a combination of less need and the eventual shipping overseas as rebuilt nations started to crank up their lwn industries and US companies decided they would make more short term profits by outsourcing.

Russia on the other hand has made bedfellows with China and North Korea, neither of which is likely to have any interest in Russian manufacturing in the short term, if at all. If China keeps leaning into renewables, Russia’s fossil fuel industry will also collapse.

Putin doesn’t have only his ego to worry about when it comes to admitting defeat in Ukraine.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 02:54 collapse

It looks more like Biden’s failed attempt to start WWIII

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 10:27 collapse

Oh, did Biden force Putin to invade Ukraine?

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:04 collapse

No but he like many others were able to project what would happen if the US pushed for NATO membership, and here we are. They, including Biden, knew what buttons to push to provoke war. Now after dangling NATO membership to Ukraine they are told they are too corrupt.

The US used Ukraine for what they needed and are now tossing them aside like they do everything else. Then once again the world will start reporting Ukraine as being corrupt and full of Nazis like they did pre invasion.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:37 collapse

Biden did not force Putin to invade Ukraine. No one forced him to do it. In fact, Russia explicitly pledged not to do so in exchange for Ukraine’s nuclear weapons.

“They wanted Ukraine to join NATO” is not an excuse to break that pledge, nor is it an excuse to invade Ukraine and annex part of it.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 15:01 collapse

Russia explicitly pledged not to do so in exchange for Ukraine’s nuclear weapons.

The Trilateral Process says that’s not true. Ukraine had given up it’s weapons in 1994 to Russia for destruction. Clinton helped disarm them. They were Russian weapons to begin with which was why they were transferred to Russia

icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 15:20 collapse

Once again, you either didn’t read your link or you didn’t think I would:

Those documents provided that Ukraine would transfer all strategic warheads on its territory to Russia for elimination and, in return, would receive security assurances, compensation for the commercial value of the HEU, and Nunn-Lugar assistance to help with the disposal of ICBMs, ICBM silos, bombers and other infrastructure on Ukrainian territory. Perhaps as importantly but less tangibly, the Trilateral Statement removed what would have been a major impediment to Ukraine’s development of normal relations with the United States and the West.

What ‘security assurances’ do you think they were talking about?

billiam0202@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 01:27 next collapse

My dude, nobody denies that a wartime special military operation economy is good in the short term.

The problem is, you’re spending money on things you’re going to blow up instead of spending on things that will generate a positive ROI.

obinice@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 04:10 next collapse

Uh oh, are the tofu eating wokerati in the room with us right now?!

Their secret global government is going to increase levels of LGBTQ in the water by 7% over the next five years, something must be done!

Badeendje@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 05:20 next collapse

Funny how the alt left and the alt right seem to have found common ground in their idolization of dictators. They only differ in opinion on who should be put up against the wall.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 10:27 collapse

globalist

Just say Jew when you mean Jew.

slaacaa@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 09:51 next collapse

See? The sanctions are not working! 😎💪

(also, please stop the sanctions 🥺🙏)

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:05 collapse

No one has said anything about stopping sanctions, they just don’t work.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 10:28 next collapse

Hmm… why is an Indian newspaper running a story like this?

www.dw.com/en/…/a-69572767

Oh.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:13 collapse

Does Bloomberg suit you better?

Or perhaps Voice of America?

Maybe the BBC is more to your liking

Everyone knows you can’t trust NPR

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:30 collapse

The latter two are clearly better sources, which makes me wonder why you didn’t use them.

Hmm… maybe it was because this was in the NPR one?

Russia is paid by receiving revenues from China, India, Turkey and other buyers of Russian oil products and a big part is so-called non-oil-and-gas income which economy produce itself.

Maybe also this part?

So that’s why we’re talking that Russian economy is now operating on its maximum capacity. And I don’t see any signs how it can grow faster. And when we are looking at this bright figures, about 3% of GDP growth or this super low unemployment rate, we need always keep in mind what there is behind. And behind is Vladimir Putin impossible trilemma for 2024, because he will need to fund the ongoing war against Ukraine, maintain the facade of business as usual for population and safeguarding the macroeconomic stability, which is quite complicated because Russia abandoned lots of institutions like budgetary rule or predictable tax system. So the situation looks solid, but it’s very fragile.

Is it that you didn’t think I’d read them or is it because you didn’t read them yourself?

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 14:50 collapse

Moving the goal posts from it’s a lie, to maybe it’s right, but…

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 15:21 collapse

Please quote my saying it was a lie. It should be easy for you to find.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 21:39 collapse

lemmy.world/comment/11020125

Either implies you believe it’s a lie or ulterior motive behind publishing such a story to cast doubt on its authenticity.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 21:40 collapse

Ah, so I didn’t say it’s a lie, you just think that’s what I implied. Of course, you could have asked me what I meant rather than just assumed you knew.

Too late now.

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 23:03 collapse

Based on previous interactions and comments you largely believe the officially sanctioned DNC version of events.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 23:06 collapse

Yes, I understand that you assumed you knew what I thought rather than just asked me. I already said that.

yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Jul 2024 10:47 next collapse

That’s great for Russia. This means the sanctions can be expanded and kept indefinitely without any ill effect on the Russian population, which was the sole argument against sanctions.

mysticpickle@lemmy.ca on 06 Jul 2024 21:13 collapse

Lol tankie spotted 💥

anticolonialist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 21:30 collapse

Liberals love their slurs. You are welcome to refute the evidence, if you can find any