White House: Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War
(time.com)
from tacoplease@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 31 Mar 04:00
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from tacoplease@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 31 Mar 04:00
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Let’s just declare victory after losing!
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My math says it’s taking y’all a lot longer than you fooled yourselves into thinking.
Hang on, I’m busy trying to solve another math problem.
Does anyone know what 3 – 1497 is? I’m really bogged down on this one.
-1493. Why? Counting vodka bottles?
In May: … was always a 6 month timeline for Operation [
Epstein Files] Epic FuryWhat objectives!?
Distraction for jizzrael and some jizz, I mean, oil
just look if shes wearing her cross, and how big is it.
Letting Iran toll the ships passing through the strait.
Motherfucker loves tariffs so much he’s helping Iran to implement their own.
Everytime I see shit like this, I immediately lose respect for the journalist writing the article. You can’t just write quotes and not provide any fact checking - especially when it’s so obviously false.
Operation Epstein Fumbleawayallthedocuments
They’ve never provided projected timescales. All Kegsbreth has said is “it could take days or weeks or months”.
as long as epstein stays out of the news, thats how long.
Somehow whatever he can’t do, or doesn’t benefit him, magically doesn’t matter! It’s like a superpower!
No the fuck they haven’t. He doesn’t even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they’ll release the videos of him raping children.
Sure they have - Baby gets what Baby wants. If baby wants the objectives of a war to be Iran sends him a cool fire truck to play with, that’s how he defines “winning” the war that day.
Maybe he needs a 2nd gold-plated jumbo jet?
In this case it’s more “What Bibi wants, Bibi gets.”
You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.
There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.
Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”
At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
America is good at not admitting they lost a war. Just ask any war since ww2.
And almost every war before ww2
In WW2 they fought against 20% of a Wehrmacht that was already functionally broken by the Soviet Union.
Well, let’s not forget that the US was also fighting against Japan for much of that time. And the invasion of occupied France and of Italy was not on easy mode either.
And the collapse of the Wehrmacht on the eastern front had as much to do with the Russian winter, failing supply chains due to non-USSR allied bombing of German factories and railways, and Hitler’s interference in military decisions as it did the accomplishments of the glorious Red Army, which for the first year or more of the invasion, was under-equipped and incompetently led. They learned and adapted, but Stalin’s misguided micromanagement and paranoia cost the USSR hundreds of thousands of soldiers’ and civilian lives.
Yeah, I’m not trying to glorify the Soviet Union.
And yes, the USA did do a large part in bringing down Germany.
But the narrative that America beat Germany and saved the world is incorrect.
Their factory workers had a bigger part in determining the outcome than their soldiers.
Nah? Battle of Stalingrad wasn’t even until 1943, after Operation Torch (N. Africa) had started.
The UK did more with less. Escorting supply convoys to Russia, fighting in N. Africa and the Middle East, keeping the Wermacht pinned to defending the French coast. You could argue they contained Germany on 3 sides/fronts where Russia only had the one (which was heavily supported by the US/UK).
Ending any war isn’t their goal. We are the single largest arms manufacturer and seller on the planet. Our economy is war. This whole machine supports our pillaging and our governments priority is spending tax dollars for weapons from their clubs companies, then they turn around to the construction side of the club and give their friends contracts to repair everything they destroyed. Wait 20 years and rinse and repeat.
Mass murder for profit is our country’s legacy.
This is a bit different. There’s no profit to be had getting high on your own supply.
There is when you turn policy decisions into a failing casino that you’re burning down for cash.
Depends who “you” are of course.
It’s not though. The people benefiting are not the ones paying…
I mean for “America” but yes. Obviously the weapons companies are having a field day.
Operation taco teusday is a great success. We all agree. Congrats everyone. Wheres that George Bush “Mission Accomplished!” banner? Now that we’ve won lets get our fearsome ICE agents to cover our military’s retreat. *cough I mean victorious tactical redeployment back to the homeland of freedom.
ICE already have a full set of tactical military gear anyway, and punisher patches and everything. They just need some rubber rafts and a push into the strait to finish the Iranians off. They did so well at the airports, its time to unleash their epic fury. No rules of engagement!
Are we getting an another historic “👍Mission accomplished👍” before midterms?
Does US have a carrier big enough for Trumps ego and fat ass, or do they need to rename one and pain it “tacky fake gold”.
Courtesy of midwest.social/comment/23150873
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If this were part of a strategy, it would be TACO Tuesday.
And the indices go up… until the ground invasion on Saturday. There is no plan, no strategy, he’s making it all up on the spot.
This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.
Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You’re so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we’re a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.
Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.
Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.
Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.
USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.
The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.
Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?
ndtv.com/…/who-is-jiang-xueqin-professor-behind-v…
The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I actually went back and watched the original video, and it’s spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.
I doubt it. The EU faces the same fundamental problem as the US: Powerful, greedy and unresponsive elites unwilling to compromise with their subjects. I think we're more likely to see an overall weaker and somehow even more dysfunctional EU with Ukraine as a counterbalance to its traditional Western and Northern European power base (assuming the EU doesn't drop the ball on Ukrainian recovery like it repeatedly did on the war).
I disagree with everything you write.
We may also have a greedy elite, but the scale of the problem is way less than what it is in USA. They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs. With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
I absolutely see Ukraine as less of a problem in EU than UK used to be. EU may need to be reformed to manage the big number of member states better. But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war. This is the opposite of dysfunctional despite countries like Hungary and Slovakia that are serving Russian interests.
Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet, EU is making itself more independent of USA, and we are distancing ourselves from USA way more than at any point since WW2.
This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.
I’m not saying we will surpass China, but we can work with China on a reasonably level playing field, and the same with USA, where USA used to dominate, that domination will soon be over if it isn’t already.
The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.
Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.
Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.
OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.
But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.
On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.
I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.
Despite mysterious (USA help for EU energy destruction gains) Ukrainian successes on Russian energy infrastructure these past weeks, Russia has surpassed Germany and Japan to be the 4th largest economy during the war. Massive military production rates, full employment, national unity, and high wage growth due to soldier deployment bonuses competing with rest of economy.
Russia has gotten stronger during war of attrition, outproducing entire west. If you want to weaken Russia, accept its peace, and propagandize its difficulty in economic transition. Russia would agree to reduce military production rates. World has far more important concerns than repeating Napoleon/Hitler defeats. Peace terms have always been extremely reasonable, with 8 year patience by Russia. Ukraine has lost the right to control Crimea and Donbas, and it is absurd to support its desires for NATO membership and nazification protections. EU must remove their CIA puppet rulers/media, or at least cut ties with CIA/Atlanticist handlers.
Russian cocksucker, go fuck yourself.
I do not say that lightly.
Russian peace? After invading the sovereign country of Ukraine that it agreed not to invade? Targeting civilians and murdering them in cold blood? Peace terms reasonable?^[Tip: Russia needs to get the FUCK out of Ukraine. Period. Full stop.]
The only absurd thing is listening to your fascist pro-terrorism bullshit.
And the rest of your pro-Russia cocksucking is technically partly true, but you really have to fucking cherrypick those statements and word them EXTREMELY carefully. For one example: 4th largest GDP if you consider internal buying power, not if you consider international buying power where they remain out of the top ten.
Russia are fucking losers and terrorists.
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You are seriously deluded. That’s by the heavily manipulated official numbers, and only by PPP, in international value they are only 9 despite their manipulated numbers.
This is also based on the current value of the Ruble, which is highly inflated because Russia has limited all imports and basically everything that requires money go out of Russia.
The truth is the country is in heavy deficits and have a very hard time financing it, because trust in the Russian economy is near zero. Both the federal government and several states are near bankrupt.
That the Russian economy should be bigger than Japan, Germany, UK and France is ridiculous. Russia is at best 11 in the world even by PPP. Ukraine is 45 with an open way more realistic economy with $730,758 million (IMF 2026 est) Russia state $7,340,795 million. How would it be possible for Russia to lose if they have a 10 times bigger economy and 4 times the population? The truth is that they obviously do not have the economy they claim.
Russia is winning. More territory every week. The strategic patience, with EU and US occupying bases inside it, of Putin is a disappointment, as it is political capital related, but the political theater of this war, Putin accepts patiently, has predetermined plot ending of Russian demands. This was always a weapons grifting war, with, what should have been understood as, a laughable propaganda campaign against Europeans.
No they are not, last month they lost more territory than they won, and Ukraine has completely thwarted the Russian spring offensive.
Neither EU or USA have any bases in Ukraine. Actually EU now has military personnel in Ukraine to be educated by the Ukrainians in drone strategies. Even if we had bases in Ukraine it would not be an occupation.
Like winning in three weeks?
Very convincing mr mc clown face. 🤡 🤡 🤡
The rest doesn’t make any sense, even with my abilities understanding 5 languages that enable me to understand most foreigners trying to speak English, IDK if you are Russian and very bad at English?
But very clearly you are seriously misinformed. And it’s laughable how you just carry on with new false points after your previous points are shown to be false.
The US occupying bases in Europe.
How is that in any way relevant, since those bases aren’t used against Russia?
And no USA is not occupying bases in Europe, they have bases in Europe because Europe allows it.
The US was the laughing stock of the world long before this “war”.
It was a hard job to top all the pointless republican war blunders of the past, but the orange clown managed to achieve this historical feat. Well done
I think the death count for the second Iraq war is higher, not to mention being responsible for creating ISIS.
so far, really early days yet
That is totally fair. Normalizing political assassinations and kidnappings will probably have a big impact in the future also, although I’m not sure what that will be exactly.
Political assassinations and kidnappings aren't any more normal than they were two years ago; Trump is just more blatant about it. I mean when Western countries overthrow this or that regime, they don't exactly give the old regime flowers. Not that they didn't deserve it, but Saddam Hussein for example was executed after a show trial by American-appointed judges and Gaddafi was killed as a direct consequence of NATO bombings after his Western-backed overthrow.
reuters.com/…/trump-again-warns-iran-open-strait-…
Hell of a reaction to something that is not vital.
I mean, technically, if you just stop attacking the country you started a war with, that might well end the war.
The other side also gets to vote for when the war is over.
As the wars in Ukraine and Iran have shown, its impossible to stop 100% of drone attacks and drone manufacturing.
Cargo ship insurance companies will have a vote too regarding when the Strait of Hormuz is “open”.
Safer to just to obliterate the whole country then I guess.
Certainly could do without the USA
If he doesn’t open it within a couple of months at most, the bulk of oil is going to start being traded in yuan (it’s already starting to happen) the gulf states are going to start liquidating their U.S. debt and the investments they’ve made across the global economy. The problem could spiral out of control really fast. The guy’s a total idiot, but I assume they’ve explained it to him with little cartoons or something and he’s finally understood that this time he can’t just walk away and claim he won
You seem to expect that those around him understand the situation any better. This term, he purged anybody who knows shit about anything. Hell, he put a fucking Fox News host in charge of the military.
Trump and Netanyahu have interests in the Middle East, so he thinks that if he wins the war, they will be able to colonize Iran.
“Cultivating strategic depth for Israeli regional hegemony” is what they’ll call the invading and colonizing.
Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
We’ll move on to the next step once he figures out who to pin the blame on for this. I am guessing he can’t throw Vance under the bus for it since he’s probably on record for saying it was a bad idea. Miller or Hegseth maybe?
I also don’t see a drawdown happening any time soon, but the market manipulation will continue to work for as long as wall street is willing to kick the football. Not that I care what happens to the fat cats, but my 401k portfolio is not looking great right now either.
As far as I can tell, Trump’s mental decline is so advanced that he can no longer create coherent lies. Some of the messaging around the Iran was has been mindbogglingly and transparently stupid.
So I don’t think Trump will be limited by small details like blaming someone who is “on record for saying it was a bad idea”.
If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don’t think you can say you “won”.
Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.
I’m starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don’t really think.
He didn’t say it, he declared it!
We did it!
Let’s celebrate at Epstein’s… Oh wait
Epstein did not kill himself
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This “Trump” fellow may not be the genius he purports to be
MAGA are virtuosically ignorant people who literally think the Truth is simply what they declare it to be, no matter how delusional that truth is to everybody else in the world.
No, they have A.I. doing all the thinking for them.
He is going to 180 on this later today or tomorrow. He may have thought he’d get an easy win and leave like in Venezuela. Now that it’s clear that won’t happen, he thinks he can declare that he doesn’t need a deal after all and leave.
This is not a real estate deal and he can’t just leave. There are too many powerful people in the world who will find this outcome unacceptable. He is stuck and we are stuck there with him.
The MAGA US needs to lose this one.
What does that even mean? The world economy, you and me and other innocent people, wants and needs the strait to be open.
i don’t want or need the strait open. i need trump in jail (or a coffin).
You don’t need to eat food which needs fertilizer? Or you don’t care if your food costs more, because the fertilizer transit had to pay Iran a toll?
And even if you don’t personally care about yourself, you don’t care about the poor indian worker, who pay a significant part of his income for food?
i care about the poor indian worker. i didn’t start a was that would INEVITABLY cause an oil crisis. if trump gets away with iran, he will fucking do this again and again and again. the poor indian worker will be hurt by trump’s greed and stupidity this war, and the next war, and the next war. that, or we do something about trump. when trump’s a corpse and his admin is in jail, the strait will open the same day
So you think that the terrorist mullahs Iran are just the nicest of people, who don’t care about the $billions of revenue from strait tolls, but just want Trump gone to help the world?
Iran didn’t start the war. Any benefits Iran is currently getting are a result of US initiative.
Iran is stealing money from third parties, if Iran is going to toll all ships. There is no moral argument for Iran’s actions here. “US was mean to me” is not an excuse for Iran to be mean to other people.
Lmao. Iran has been very clear that if you are homies with the US, you are not friends with Iran. “Third party” is crazy. Again, none of this would have happened if the US didn’t force Iran’s hand.
Fuck around, find out. Trump gave them this power.
Get out fed
Do i think iranian mullahs are nice people? Nope, i’m not an idiot. However, the strait was open before trump attacked. When the USA is no longer at war with iran, Iran will have no reason to continue attacking shipping. Iran wanted to make a deal: no nuclear weapons in exchange for lifting sanctions. In fact, that exact deal once existed: it was enacted by Obama. Trump, the incompetent fucking idiot, tore it up. Iran was trying to make another deal when America’s talking asshole ordered the attack. Let shit-for-brains wear this one: the Iran war is all on Trump.
The straight being open is not mutually exclusive to the US and Israel being defeated. It just means that they tuck tail and accept that in the new order they created Iran has veto power over the straight so they need to stop fucking with it.
Done and done. This was admitting defeat.
Hijacking comment to point out that both posters of negative scored comments are 12-13 days old and one of them has a gibberish username. Downvote and move on.
Trump already has lost. There’s a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they’ve not surrendered, they’re not negotiating and they’re only letting through ships they choose to. They’re still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They’re still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that’ll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.
5D chess. It’s all part of the plan. . . or something. Oh look - a scary immigrant!
Watch the markets.
Can they declare him not mentally competent or something and then this emo douche with eyeliner can try to fix this together with the alcoholic?
Jus an idea…
The problem is that Trump’s supporters are literally a cult. The GOP are the ones with the power to unseat Trump, and the GOP know that their voters will tear them apart if they unseat Trump. Hence this continuing clown show of least resistence by the GOP.
An alternative is Trump stepping down voluntarily. But in best narcissist style, Trump believes he is the best man for the job, any job. “Only I can fix it”. And the pathological lack of self insight only gets worse as Trump mentally declines.
They can, but the Republicans are going to Weekend at Bernie’s him until the 2028 election. He is their king and the only way a king is replaced is after their death. Be it natural or otherwise.
this is what gets me. He has to go but so do the republicans. Its been a slide for them for a long time but this should be the line that causeses all citizens to not vote for the party. Im not telling conservative folks to not be conservative but they need to get together and get back to traditional conservative principles like pay as you go and low deficits (no matter if they are the ones in power or not) and make a new party. It needs to be sincere about its ideals and not about just being in power to be in power.
My rationalization for why they are doing that is that vance has a better chance at holding the reigns after 47 croaks (incumbant advantage), so its important to the GOP to make sure he makes it to the 50%+1 day line of his term so that vance can run for 2 full terms of his own plus the rest of 47s term. The issue is that vance is not the cult of personality and 47 kicking the bucket will set off an internal power squabble that may end up spoiling their ticket while their hemmoraging support because 47 and his ilk are a cavalcade of fuck-ups.
The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow
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The sooner they stop fake negotiations and leave, the better for the world. Reopening straights is extremely easy for peaceful nations. Cheaper than insurance. Cheaper than not getting/selling oil and other goods.
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So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?
Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.
Poker player: better hand not vital to stop playing game.
And he did…
Right, right… Now, about all that child rape…
“uhhhh…ummmmm…well…ya see like I said I can take Cuba. I think they will let me.”
Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?
That’s been his MO every Monday for the past 4 Mondays
You think presidents do this? Just go on Truth Social and post lies?
The Straight of Hormuz has always been open. However, the gaey of hormuz, I’m not sure about that.
well that is a relief… now all the US service men being sent to the meat grinder will die to attempt to reopen a Strait that is not even vital to the war effort
He really doesnt understand the global markets are interconnected and prices rising on inputs to American products due to logistics costs are the least of our worries.
ima stop you there only because anything after is extraneous. ;-)
TACO Trump Tuesday strikes again. Trump makes threats, those he’s threatening laugh at him, mock him and ignore the deadline, Trump chickens out and tries to make up something else to hide the fact he’s failed.
Taco is the dumbest shit I think I’ve seen being pushed as a nick name for him. It’s the cringest most forced bot phrase, of the last decade. I don’t think I can handle being on the planet and reading this garbage anymore.
Like do people think it’s clever, saying the same thing over and over and over and seeing it over and over and over. Is it supposed to be funny?
It’s a great indicator that someone is serially online and rarely talks to others. At one of the protests I went to I brought a TACO themed sign and nobody got it. I had to answer “what does that mean?” sooo many times.
Well, why did you do it?
What are you saying he’s backing out of? do you want him to follow through on all the weird shit he says? Would that be better to you?
It sounds like it’s a far right psyop- “the libs are calling you a weak scared chicken wimp, show them you’re not.” Is the point to antagonize the old demented man?
Then may I ask what is exactly?