from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 01 Apr 2024 11:28
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A 63-hour-long marathon of GPS jamming attacks disrupted global satellite navigation systems for hundreds of aircraft flying through the Baltic region â and Russia is thought to be responsible
Russia is suspected of launching a record-breaking 63-hour-long attack on GPS signals in the Baltic region. The incident, which affected hundreds of passenger jets earlier this month, occurred amid rising tensions between Russia and the NATO military alliance more than two years since the start of Russiaâs full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
âWe have seen an increase in GPS jamming since the start of Russiaâs war against Ukraine, and allies have publicly warned that Russia has been behind GPS jamming affecting aviation and shipping,â a NATO official told New Scientist. âRussia has a track record of jamming GPS signals and has a range of capabilities for electronic warfare.â
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Is this where the beginning g of the end of free open GPS starts?
Been wondering when weâd have to start paying for the privilege to use an encrypted private GPS service.
It wouldnât matter against jamming though. You just need a jammer that screams louder
Yup. As long as youâre transmitting via radio waves, if something on that frequency âscreamsâ louder, you wonât get the original signal. Thatâs why the FCC has strict rules against radio interference. About the only way you could get past that would be some sort of laser guided/optical communications, but would be damn near impossible given the number of planes and weather conditions.
Luckily the louder something screams the more easy it is to pinpoint.
âOur system is unjammable! Just make sure this laser receiver has clear line of sight with three satellites way up in geosynchronous orbit at all times.â
âYouâre fucking with me, right?â
No . Thatâs how it would work. Thatâs why we donât use it, because of things like weather, birds, space debris, and other planes. its more secure but technically very difficult.
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I mean, doesnât matter. We pinpoint russia and then what. Sure, we can retaliate and block their comma, and radio communication doesnât work for both of us. We can always invade, but a load of political capital is needed, and the west doesnât exactly have the most ammo ever right now.
Finally, I think the true source is this
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Itâs nice that they âscreamâ there. Itâs the way you know that they are hiding their ammo and weapons routes there. Instead of complaining, we should target these routes. Hey⌠they are outside russian borders⌠soâŚ
It would matter if they chose not to jam certain frequencies due to some agreement.
Thinking only of GPS-like services, there are multiple suppliers who could take advantage of Russia jamming other services. GPS is only one, owned by the American air force. Other suppliers might be more open to making agreements with Russia. Money can make things happen.
Iâm not saying itâs like that, only that it is possible for bad actors to benefit from playing on both sides in a jamming war, just like any other kind of war.
In a war like this they jam everything and anything they can. No commercial solutions would be loopholed out of it.
⌠unless money.
Unless they are on a different wavelength from GPS, which is what Xona is doing.
Ok, then they just block that one
Do you think country-wide jamming of a high-power radio signal is easy? The magnitude of difference between jamming a building and jamming at airline altitudes or at long distances is massive. You donât just go out and buy a jammer that blocks GPS for a country.
I donât think that for an individual it is easy. But for a country as large as Russia (even with a somewhat pathetic economy)
I work developing the next generation GPS satellites, and half of my job is dealing with defeating jamming. Without giving specifics that can only be shared in a SCIF, jammers are for small regional use, not for large scale usage. RF power drops off at 1/r^2, so doubling the distance requires 4 times the power. A normal person can buy a jammer that handles a few hundred feet around their house or car. It is 100x harder to cover a city block of buildings and is mostly restricted to governments (my math could be off on that, since RF isnât my specialty). Going from jamming a city block of government buildings to jamming flight traffic in a small neighborhood is roughly 100 times as much as that power. Going from that small neighborhood to blocking a very small country is 100 times as much as that power (or 10,000 as much as the power of a big jammer). Doing the same thing but with multiple RF signals is even harder.
I canât talk about Russiaâs specific capabilities, but even for Russia it wouldnât be easy outside a small region.
Thatâs not how jamming works
Explain how jamming works. The person isnât saying encryption overcomes jamming, just that encryption will be used to make the new system private and paid instead of free to use. Not being GPS will make it avoid GPS jamming.
It doesnât matter if you encrypt it, it still has to make information out of communication with satellites. Jamming saturates the band range that something is attempting to communicate across. So no sensible information is available because itâs all noise
Did you not read what I said? I said âthe person isnât saying that encryption overcomes jamming, just that encryption will be used to make the new system private and paid.â At no point did I say or imply that encryption helps overcome jamming. I did say that since they donât transmit on the same frequency as GPS then jamming GPS wonât affect it (depending on how close their L-band range is to the GPS L-band range).
I design GPS satellites for a living. I understand how jamming works.
You asked how jamming works, I simply discussed that.
Even if the new system is encrypted and on another spectrum, that doesnât make it invincible from jamming, the jammer just needs to be adjusted to target it.
All Iâm saying is encryption and subscription does not defend from jamming.
Tactics like signal hopping and multi signal parallel processing / handshake help with jamming (plus highly focused and shield directional antennas)
That will not fix this, unless your private service flies their own satellites with more transmitter power
Xona is out there planning their own satellite constellation in their own band of the spectrum (so not jammed at the same time as GPS), and is fully encrypted.
Russia could just as easily jam two signals at once.
Not just as easily. Broad-spectrum jamming is more difficult, so they either develop one of those with enough power to jam both signals (not as easy) or the build twice as many jammers (not as easy).
Not as easy for individuals. Still relatively easy for a state actor. Itâs not a magnitude difference, just a difference in degree.
You are talking about Xona. Private company, fully encrypted signal, paid service, not jammed at the same frequency as GPS.
EDIT: I would love for one of the people who down-voted me to explain what was wrong with my completely factual description of a company who is doing exactly what this person asked about.
If enough people are using this new system, Russia could easily pivot to target it as well. Jamming is not inherently hard, especially if a nation is attempting it.
Jamming in the US will bring the FCC down your throat. The stronger the signal, the faster they will show up. Russia transmitting a jamming signal from Russia doesnât have to worry about such things. A jamming device is not hard to find, but on sovereign soil itâs still untouchable short of war.
Not the point of the post I replied to or my post. I develop GPS satellites for the Space Force. I understand jamming quite well and know what capabilities Russia has.
The person didnât say that this hypothetical private system couldnât be jammed. They said that if GPS is jammed then it opens up a niche for a private company to sell their own service. I said that exact thing is happening. That isnât to say that service couldnât also get jammed, but Russia is mainly jamming GPS because it affects military missions. Since the military wouldnât be using this private company, then Russia is unlikely to jam their signal.
How does Russia jamming GPS open a market for a private GPS service? Russia can just jam the private network alongside the government operated one. So now people in the Baltics are gettinf blacked out of a service they are oaying a subscription to instead of one they are poggybacking off of for free.
At best they are talking about something completely unrelated to the news article.
Iâm someone who works developing new GPS satellites and has to understand jamming. Even for Russia it isnât easy to jam GPS in a very large area. Itâs not impossible but also not as easy as just putting some jammers out there. In small areas it isnât so bad for a nation. In buildings, even corporations can do it. Jamming at large scales gets very hard very fast.
So doing it for two different PNT services, one of which isnât being used by any military, wouldnât be something Russia would do.
thatâs⌠not how gps works, yâknow?
the satellites only send out signal, they donât care about the ground
Article 5
No.
death to poopin
I love this picture of Obama talking down to Putin <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/868d3ba0-0fe0-4eb6-a912-c53bbff3cf68.jpeg">
Lol, canât even see where poot poots heels end, there could be 3-4 cm of extra lift hidden under those pantaloons!
Ah, the good old Desantis boot trick!
If anyone died that would've been article 5. Are they nuts?
Yes, but only if it can be proven it was absolutely Russia. And then it has to be proven that it was approved by their government as an official act, not just some vodka-soaked hackers somewhere in SiberiaâŚ
Russia already shot down a passenger jet and nothing happened.
That's quite different than attacking directly over the airspace of NATO members.
Also arguably an accident.
ââŚand Russia is thought to be responsible.â
Nooooooo⌠Russia? Really? They would neeeveeeer?
Russia is really stretching this out, arenât they. Maybe they need some proper ass kicking to fall back in line.
At some point the west has to react.
Never mind Russia, Iâd be happy with anyone making a âspecial military operationâ on Putinâs whereabouts. NATO doesnât have to fight Russia. They only need the head of the snake.
donât think that this will work. Russia is rotten to the core and there is always another head.
we are fighting a hydra not a snake.
Anyway, we should start at the top and work downwards. Itâs a waste of ammo to kill all the involuntary cannon fodder. If the top goes, Russia would have to reconstruct, however that might turn out.
Balkanization boogaloo?
Yes, Iâd take that over the status quo.
Likely not. Everyone who wanted to leave Russia did so in the 1990âs
Middle out
Like tip to tip? No thanks.
A state canât fight like that though. Needs to be a non state actor.
Itâs not just Putin, and itâs not all of Russia. The Kremlin+oligarchs are the problem.
While this is true, I think itâs more likely than not that a successor doesnât share the same amount of Soviet fetishism. Putin is kinda out there and doing things that arenât great for Russian business. You only have to be slightly less mad than Putin to realize that.
Humanity really needs to figure out how to handle corrupt people in power.
We have. Itâs just against the ToS on most forums.
Is it that thing that Korea did after the fall of the Dai Nippon Empire? How is that going for them?
Or maybe we could use some Middle East examples, like Iran or Afghanistan? Are those good examples of handling corrupt people in power? South America might have a few examples�
Yep, canât ever improve anything, world has to suck this much in these ways.
I feel like it sucks a lot less than it used to in most modernized countries, especially European Nations and Canada. Even the USA didnât use to have Medicaid or overtime pay (Fair Labor Standards Act was in 1938), etc. Itâs just that these improvements werenât caused by things that talking about would put you on a watchlist, they were caused by slow progressive reform and political activism.
No, they were caused by workers fighting the US army with guns in the 20s, and all the industrialized nations of the world failing to stop a bunch of dipshit peasants in the ass backwards frozen nowhere from walking into the palace and painting the walls red, then dispossession g the entire propertied class, and giving a substantial chunk of them the wall.
Why would they give you shit when you beg, if they arenât afraid? Common humanity or some shit? Have you ever read a history book or news story in your life?
Followed immediately by the global Great Depression in the 1930s and both World Wars? Iâm not saying correlation equals causation but it sounds like those 1920s dudes accomplished jack shit. Plus, deposing of the ruling class of Russia led to the USSR which⌠Did not end wellâŚ
Oh we know how, itâs just not pretty.
Lol, okay, thatâs my fault. When I wrote that I was thinking in a non-violent sort of way, legislatively/investigatively. A system of governance that would prevent somebody from warping the system and becoming all powerful and above the system.
The problem with what your advocating is it doesnât solve the problem, it just punts the ball down the field, and then sooner or later the same scenario problem comes back again.
Well, you could say that with nearly any solution besides peace⌠which is hard to maintain too. So, pick your poison.
I blame the French Revolution for giving these romantic notions. On the surface, it looks like people overthrowing the rich. But when you read into what followed, it was a violent power struggle where yesterdayâs new leader was next up at the guillotine tomorrow.
And what came of it in the end? Napoleon, another powerful centralized ruler.
We did, we must get murdered by shitty people in power when we say it too loud.
Short version: donât have these huge power differentials.
Except Putinâs behavior isnât sane even by oligarch standards. Another corrupt leader would just take Putinâs place, but they might not be inclined to continue with Ukraine. They could just blame it all on Putin and quietly retreat the military. Itâs not the best outcome, but at least Ukraine would be safe.
But doing it suddenly will create a power vacuum, which usually gets filled by the most ruthless people
Doesnât Russia have lines of succession?
In theory
âOops! All Putin!â
In what world would Putin allow anything other that a yes-man be his official backup?
But not the same shitty, abd since theyâre not Putin, they can disown this whole shit show and shut it down without looking weak.
So let the other heads see what happens when you fuck around too much.
Like many things political, you start doing outside political killings from another country, pretty soon you can find yourself dead as a political leader. Itâs playground tit-for-tat rules.
Plus, unless you are prepared for a âYou break it, you buy itâ situation, can and always will get something worse. See: the Middle East at this moment in time.
So the actual people need to be the ones to do this.
It really would be better for future stability if the people of Moscow did it anyway.
Or pretty much any point in time in the last several decades.
Thatâs why none of them will do it.
There is no way to convince me that the CIA, MI6, and/or Beijing couldnât take him out if they wanted him gone, which makes me wonder why they wouldnât, I guess World War III but itâs not like thatâs not already a possibility
The CIA attempted to assassinate castro between 8 and 634 times
Different world between then and now, any claim of an attempt after the fall of the USSR is as sus as an Alabama national championship prior to 2000. Also I meant as mostly coordinated effort
Yes but he was a communist, not an oligarch, and by most accounts a pretty okay dude. So killing him was okay.
Yea they even got OBL murdered when they wanted. It seems that they just donât want Putin gone for now, profits or âescalationâ as a reason.
Because then Russia will try to assasinate US leaders
And that would be⌠Bad?
Presumably for like reasons or something?
Aside from the instability and resource pit this would cause, if you were making these decisions and you were to be the target of the retaliatory assasinations you can see why it would not be in your best interest to go down that path.
Yeah I see why they wouldnât do it, but I donât hate the idea. I could see a politicians name in the news, and feel some glimmer of hope.
Iâm mostly pointing out (maybe elsewhere in this convo) that millions are dying to make some octogenarian kleptocrat shit heads whose raison fucking dâetre is grinding the young into a bloody paste by the millions to no tangible benefit.
Yeah I feel you
Nah. These are all state actors. They donât want to break the taboo on assassinating world leaders when they do atrocities, because they may want to do atrocities later.
So millions of poor fuckers die in the mud.
There isnât a replacement in place for Putin that would be any different. Everyone that thinks and acts different is kept away from power in Russia. Pushed out of windows, deaths in prison or the aircraft falls out of the sky. There is a possibility that he is replaced by someone worse.
Itâs much better if he is removed from power by Russians. The next leader has to be different and havs the support of the people. Intelligence services taking him out wonât achieve this. Your likely to get an extremists that tries to escalate the war in Ukraine.
That remains true as long as he doesnât start a nuclear exchange. If he starts really leaning in that direction I would expect a change in calculus
There are smart people in Russia who need better things to do. This bullshit is out of control.
There needs to not be a âRussiaâ after this. Split it up. Try to keep the regions peaceful and shit, but absolutely divide them politically, so one cannot say âRussiaâ is a meaningful entity.
Yeah, we know how it went with Africa. Sure. Youâd like to do that from the comfort of your home, right?
Africa was carved up with the intent to be exploitable, with minority regimes that needed colonial support in power and intentional ethnic and resource conflicts aplenty.
Donât be a dick about it, carve it up based on extant cultural regions with balancedish resources, and it could work. At least closer to âworksâ than having a âRussiaâ is right now.
Russia will be paying back for these years, for decades to come.
Or just carve up Russia so no part us big enough to pull this shit again, and people there are less under the thumb of a handful of shit heads in Moscow/st Petersburg.
I donât know really⌠carving up Africa, did not really work too well. Although it does make sense to divide it into smaller independent regions, I donât see this happening to other mega countries like China, USA, India etc.
It basically has in the united states. I will be killed if I go to the CSA, but Iâm only gonna get social murdered here on the west coast. Iâd be pretty okay splitting off.Lotta people here would. Biggest problem is water, abd thatâs going to shit anyway.
Iâve read some of your posts, and you seem a hell of a lot more murderous and psychotic than anyone Iâve ever met in the south.
Oh that sounds easy and like it surely would backfire spectacularly /s thatâs how you get a nuclear war or similar.
You canât convince me Russiaâs nuclear arsenal works for shit, much less the missiles.
And even if one or two get through; still a net gain on human life over another year or ten of meat grinder warfare.
And if you put a bounty on Russian warheadsâŚ
Bring back Novgorod.
How much more will we allow these assholes to get away with? When does it stop?
When the West decides itâs willing to risk flash dessication.
Iâm not sure what flash dessication is, but Iâm willing to bet Putin would bring the world down with him if cornered.
Nuclear blast, where I focused on the heat and excluded the long, painful radiation deaths that would also occur.
Edit: radio - > radiation
As shitty as Putin is, I donât think he has a death wish.
I think weâve made it clear we know where he is at all times. First reply we send is on his head.
How certain are you?
Remember his affinity for comically long tables for meeting people during the pandemic?
Doesnât mean he doesnât think heâll be fine inside his bunker.
What if putin was going to die soon from something?
desiccation
It is highly likely that exactly zero Russias nukes work. Nuclear maintenance is extremely expensive, and there is a zero percent chance that corruption that we witnessed in tank maintenance and other areas of their military did not spread to their nuclear program. It has also been 34 years since they successful a launched a nuke.
Russia as a country has never launched a nuke (USSR did) so itâs seriously debatable if they even have the capability.
And Iâm not advocating for war, but Russia needs to have consequences for their actions, and the world needs to respond resolutely and immediately before this gets any worse.
Yeah Iâm not gonna go to war over gps spamming attacks lol
âŚbecause thatâs the only thing that russia has ever done to Eruopean countriesâŚ
/s
Iâm talking from my perspective
First, they came for my friends, and when they asked for help I said, âit doesnât affect me.â
Then, they came for my direct neighbors, and when they asked for help I said, ânot my house not my problem.â
Then they came for me, and there was nobody to ask for help.
Why are you not yet volunteering in Ukraine then?
Well the taxpayerâs money goes towards funding Ukraine.
And thatâs the same as going to war yourself? I never said I have a problem supporting countries fighting Russia monetarily.
You volunteering to be cannon fodder?
No, itâs your turn.
You want war so bad you can be the cannon fodder.
Youâre fucking nuts if you think people want war.
It stops only when they are forced to stop and not a moment sooner. Who has the will or the ability? In the U.S., conservatives are on Putinâs side, so as long as conservatives have any power (like they do now), they will back him.
The EU is sounding the alarms, but only France is stepping up to the plate ready to fight. As usual, the EU will just hope France will protect the rest of them.
Guess it's time to dust off those VOR navigation skills, then..
And, as ususal, fuck Putler and his cronies.
Hopefully a few VOR and DME approaches left in the chart book.
Correct me if Iâm wrong, but VOR can be jammed just as easily? Itâs effectively just ground based GPS.
There are actually devices, that can to a certain extent resist jamming by rejecting signal coming from some direction while amplifying signal from other. Typically they amplify signal from space and reject signal from ground where the jammers would be. So in a way GPS is more resilient against jamming if you can use this device. But AFAIK they are only used for military purposes.
That device is called a CRPA (pronounced serpa). They are very effective at anti-jam.
As far as VOR jamming, those use a VHF omni-directional antenna, so it can be jammed. It might be hard because of the omni-directional part and the numbers of them, but definitely doable.
Might have to break out the ole INS
Inertial systems are good enough for rockets going to Mars, so why not a plane flying in a straight line?
They are used for planes. The problem is the usable ones are stupidly expensive and/or classified millitary hardware.
So I read about it on Wikipedia and apparently theyâre still the main navigation tool for modern airliners. GPS is just used to maintain the accuracy of the INS.
According to wikipedia all modern aircraft should be equipped with an Inertial Navigation System. A system that gives the position of the aircraft by using a buch of accelerometers and gyroscopes.
The GPS is just there to adjust the position given by the INS.
IRSs drifts like crazy. If anything irs is the backup to GNSS currently.
the US GPS backup
Iâm assuming thereâs a European backup to GPS, is there?
Europe is using same or similar systems. Also Europe has Galileo satnav system. But it has the same drawbacks as GPS.
Isnât that kinda pathetic? Jamming GPS is not hard, nor impressive. Itâs just annoying.
Seems like a message is being sent.
I love to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes, as far as whatâs going on between the two sides, that they actually decided to do something as annoying as this.
Thatâs all theyâve got left after throwing all of their troops into the meat grinder.
Not all. Just too fucking many.
The thing about Russia is, theyâve always got more sausage they can make
Thatâs why you cotta carve it up so its not âRussiaâ anymore.
Yeah, it worked so well last time.
Unfortunately, their recruitment rate is at a record high đ
Its on par with bringing the dog out when merkel was visiting. Thats all they have.
looks to be pretty effective to me
And that effect was�??
Threatening the lives of EU citizens and commerce in an effort to force the European nations to withdraw support from Ukraine.
It was GPS spoofing. The navs fucked up.
Donât pilots still learn to work with a compas or stars? Radio guidance? Like, nothing that uses GPS is new.
It was just really inconvenient for a bunch of people.
Inconvenience is the point.
So, what, order a bunch of pizzas? Spam everyone with dick pics? Iâm not seeing it. This just looks impotent, unless thereâs more to it.
Youâre missing the point.
So is your mom.
Or maybe sheâs just being really polite about refusing my advances. I donât have a chance, do I?
Seriously though; what do you think the point is? That Russiaâs willing to cross boundaries and do unethical shit? Remember when they stole a major party in american politics?
Maybe they were just testing reaction time
On a mostly civilian system with known fallbacks?
Edit: fuck em. You donât have to fight Russia, you just have to fight Moscow. If they manage to provoke Europe, they lose. Badly. Theyâre barely managing to hold against supported Ukraine.
I thought GPS had been kept restricted from civilians for ages for its military uses, I may be wrong though
Yeah but at this point thatâs all redundant, right? any military planner worth shit knows this can happen.
I dont think they are doing it to impess.
As if being impressive is the goal of these attacks.
Drone pilots are going to have to learn how to fold paper maps!
Iâm betting on Russia being the culprit
Russia, Russia, Russia. Whenever they start crowing about those fuckers I can be sure that the truth is something entirely different.
I invite you to check the multitude of examples and references here. Russiaâs history of cyberwarfare goes way beyond the US mediaâs recent obsession.
Recent? As if the cold war never happened.
They never said ârecentâ. The cold war ended in 1989, and GPS became fully operational in 1993. Not sure what your point isâŚ
Iâm talking about âthe U.S. mediaâs recent obsession.â
The word ârecentâ is in the comment I replied to.
Are you one of them gaslighters Gen-Zers keep referring to?
The wiki site does say âclaimedâ for all those attacks
Have you watched the news in the past 2 years?
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*70 at least
Look at J.Edgar here ;p
New troll account just created to post this garbage. Mods block please.
Who else would have the interest or capability of jamming GPS over Europe? Curious to see who you think it could be if not Russia.
I feel like these planes should be able to fall back on other GNSS. Like Galileo, GLONASS, or even BeiDou.
I would guess this is a matter of the media talking about all GNSS as âGPSâ rather than the planes only supporting the US militaryâs navigation system.
Fall back to the Russian GNSS constellation to defend against Russian GNSS manipulation?
I mean hey, why not?
Letâs be real, they probably arenât jamming themselves?
Who am I fucking kidding, they probably are with how the war has been going.
Might be worth some degree of suspicion around including GLONASS as a part of GNSS. Russia could create worldwide issues if they decided to fuck around with their constellation.
It would probably be easier for them to mess with it and not affect themselves than it is with GPS and Galileo.
How do you stop a jammer like this, short of turning off the transmitters responsible for it?
You canât. Think of it like two radio stations that are too close. It doesnât matter how good of a receiver you have it will only ever pick up the signals being transmitted. And when there is noise on the frequency then that is what it will pick up.
Well thereâs always the option of outcompeting each other in signal intensity, but I guess that thatâs not really possible in this case.
Destroy our otherwise turn off the source of interference.
As others have said, you canât passively bypass GNSS jamming. The signal more or less has the same amount of power as a 60 watt light bulb, transmitted from a satellite out in Medium Earth Orbit. You throw enough energy at the same frequency as the signal and itâs over. There are ways to improve the receivers resilience by giving it more signals to connect to (GPS, Galileo, GLONASS, BeiDou) or several signals being transmitted by the same constellation (L1, L2, L5).
Also, many different systems occupy pretty much the same frequencies, just with different characteristics which makes all the signals more susceptible.<img alt="" src="https://images.app.goo.gl/TTK8fgog6pJpdUUD6">
Best way to mitigate is have an inertial system. Itâs a calculator that, based on where you are and where youâre heading, keeps track of your updated position.
The math is not that crazy, but with enough time the sensors errors crop up and youâll be slightly off course, then a bit, then a lot.
I would suggest HARM Missiles launched from F/A 18 Aircraft. That will teach the effing russians to mess with GPS
All right, weâre Jamminâ
Jamminâ in the name of the lord.
I was always a fan of Log Jammin
You could argue âwho benefits from blaming Russia n Europe?â - and then look at the propaganda campaign for nato. Itâs not in European interests to fight an American war.
Youâre either a delusional cunt or a russian Ivan on a paycheck as tiny as your limp dick.
Itâs not an American war, they have literally attacked a European country.
Yeah, it also doesnât help with the situation that half of Europe has multiple past Russian invasions in their history, and Russiaâs leadership has repeatedly voiced territorial claims to multiple European countries.
Nice fresh account, vatnik.
Not at all- but definitely not to US or NATO. I also dislike Russia with a passion! Maybe now you can switch and get me on hate speech? đ