Putin's demands to Ukraine underscore a position the West has always suspected: No compromise (www.nbcnews.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 13:19
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The memorandum, published by the Russian state media, was less of a peace plan and more a demand for Ukraine to surrender, defang its military and become a vassal of Moscow.

If Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy thought that his spectacular drone strike on Russian air bases would yield a Kremlin compromise, Russia issued its blunt response in black and white: no chance.

After waiting for weeks for Moscow to present its ceasefire demands in writing, the West finally got them Monday with a memorandum issued by Russian envoys in Istanbul.

Few analysts really believed that Ukraine’s “Spiderweb” plot would gain immediate concessions from a stubborn President Vladimir Putin. And so it was.

The memorandum, published in full by the Russian state news agency Tass, was less of a peace plan and more a demand for Ukraine to surrender, defang its military and become a vassal of Moscow.

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DrFistington@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 14:17 next collapse

The longer this drags on, the better Ukraine seems to get, and the worse Russia seems to get. At this point Russia had already emptied out most of its prisons to supply soldiers. They’ve lost massive amounts of tanks, apc’s, and aircraft. Their main group of mercenaries started to march on Moscow before being exiled, and they’re having to use ineffective foreign soldiers in meat wave attacks.

Meanwhile Ukraine is able to strike within Russias borders at will, their able to manufacturer nearly half of the munitions they need. They still control parts of territory Russia claims, and they’ll be getting the full backing of NATO.

Hey Putin, How’s that 2 week special operation treating your asshole?

OwlPaste@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 14:38 next collapse

Its a little unfair comparison on the vehicles, Ukraine is being supplied with hand me downs from the western nations (with some new things here abd there) while russia is still going through its stocks. At this point I am not sure what runs out first.

Certainly they are able to manufacture and import more shells than Ukraine and shove more soldiers into the grinder. Now with united states of orange fuckwit in the game, it’s no longer the case that Ukraine can guarantee survival once the aid is cut off. We seen just how useless western Europe has been with trying to supply Ukraine without US.

So currently i can see putler gambling on other European countries giving up support, certainly recent elections are making it more likely. Once western support dries up sufficiently, Ukraine won’t last long on its own. Just look what happening in European elections when it comes to right wing…

All these developments are rather worrying for me as i would very much like to see a complete Ukrainian victory and return to their pre 2014 borders.

MrEff@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 15:00 collapse

I find it funny that the tankies still think Russia can hold their own in a fight against NATO when they let can’t even beat up on their smaller neighbor with NATO hand-me-downs and previous generation surplus gear.

assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jun 15:13 collapse

As though the US invaded Mexico, failed for 3 years to make significant new gains, and then lost a chunk of Texas to Mexican occupation, all while blowing through massive amounts of men and material.

A stunningly poor performance that never needed to happen.

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 04 Jun 07:30 collapse

*3 Day Special Military Operation.

prex@aussie.zone on 04 Jun 13:19 collapse

It was a 2 week operation 2 weeks in. Now it is a special 1195 day operation.

HK65@sopuli.xyz on 03 Jun 15:11 collapse

Russia has seemingly broken itself by the war economy drive to the point hey are incapable of stopping the war on any terms, as it would immediately collapse the country.

If Ukraine were to capitulate, another war would immediately start, likely in Moldova, then the Baltics, then…

There is simply no peace until Russia reforms economically, societally and governmentally.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 17:37 collapse

^ This is about all their is to say on the subject. Russia can’t stop, period.