I would love it if the Iranians had another revolution on their terms. However, you’re naive as hell if you think that would happen without western meddling. It’s already the root cause for most of the material conditions that cause these grievances.

Sanctions isolate Iran and actively hurt the common people. Israel and the US are constantly threatening, attacking, and doing espionage meaning the government is in constant threat and has to be more authoritarian to survive. The whole reason for the revolution was the people getting pissed at the Shah, our western puppet from before.

This has been a decades long project that you are being suckered into cheering for.

He couldn’t even fuck up covid into a scam. Like imagine making Trump brand face masks. They would have sold like hotcakes.

Well it certainly would have meaning. Not likely a good outcome, of course.
Ideally we could support the protesters/rebels somehow. The idea of threatening US military action is to put more pressure on the Iranian regime with the hope that they’ll collapse and run away. Won’t work tho because they’re religious / ideological and will fight to their deaths.

I’d say the current situation in Iran is comparable to civil war; support for the rebels would probably help speed up things and reduce deaths on their side.

You are so worried about human rights when it’s a US military target, funny how that works.

Because their government is bad, then it’s totally ok to go to war with them and try to get a different bad government. Our government has such a good track record setting up puppet regimes too, what in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yeah it’s better to have a legal code that allows women to be stoned.

If it’s a binary choice, remind me what they have now that’s better.

do you know these protests arent about women rights but economic condition? which is worse due to unfair sanctions by the fascist state of amrikkka?

Yes not giving the US and Israel cause for more Iran war is “disgusting,” great point. That is the quality of conversation I have come to expect from the mechanized troll legions and their carpet bombing of social media campaigns with diarrhea shit.

It works on some people, the weak minded.

They are doing a lot you can be sure. From sabotaging their economy every way they can, to funding any seperatists, paying informants and tools for things, smuggling and setting up clandestine internet/communication networks, tor onion beaming signals between devices and over power lines and othr such clandestine ways with encrpytion. To sponsoring agent provokareurs at demonstrations. To egging on security services and protests to violence.

All while exagerating the size and support of protests, minimizing the support and position of the regime, and exagerating the scale of crackdowns.

All while tricking security services into attacking their people and vice versa, from a position of near total compromise of electronics.

You are quite mistaken as to how deeply we are involved in fomenting unrest.

By the same logic, someone should bomb strike and kill thousands doing a regime change in the tyrannical theocracy of america, their totalitarian fascism affects me more personally than Iran’s

This is a garbage gotcha because you assume that I support the US policy of intervention.

I can both acknowledge that the current regime in Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and that the US has no buisness intervening.

I am equally capable of disliking the regime in Iran and the US.

If the regime falls this is great. If the US intervenes and forcibly topples the regime this is bad. As we’ve seen historically that leads to failure.

Maybe don’t support a regime that allows for raped women to be murdered?

You can be my first citation

From where I’m sitting, pretty much everyone in power is fucked.

You’re forgetting that nuance is forbidden. Anyone with a nuanced point of view is obviously a fascist sympathizer /s

Just kidding, fascists and tankies alike have no concept of nuance. They’re cut from the same cloth…

very convenient to label anyone as tankie who is against liberal zionists. No is excusing wrong doings of the iranian govt, however we need to be real here, western regime changes have never been good and particularly how this is openly israel backed is even more problematic. Not to forget govt still has support in iran and in case of regime change it would lead to catastrophic civil war - surely that wont liberate women. I dont support religious theocracy but we need to deal with reality, what happened to the “lesser of two evils” you liberals yap about all the time?

If you can’t believe paid shills and other bad faith operators are present on lemmy, then you’ve really not been paying much attention…

Man, I love comparing individual violence against a state that enforces a strict legal gender apartheid.

The USSR had more progressive laws during their civil war than in peace times under Stalin. It’s a leadership question, not a peace question.

Yeah, no. Growth is achieved only through adversity. Take the US, for example. Keep things “peaceful”, you get a complacent population that manages to elect an orange rapid monkey into office. That’s progress? Sure buddy…

When I first made this comment they were up voted and the majority in the thread. Glad to see it reverse

My browser (Summit) auto-folds comments below some limit. I don’t know what that limit is, but it’s probably modifiable in the settings somewhere.

Never heard of it before. From a quick search it looks like it’s an IDF policy to not allow its own soldiers to be taken as POW (all articles say kidnapped but this is language just used to illegitimatize the forces fighting Israeli oppression) by any means necessary up to and including killing its own service members.

Seems like the policy was invoked and lead to Israel murdering its own civilians at the beginning of the most recent Gaza conflict/genocide.

So yeah Israel being terrible as usual.

What were you trying to bait me into?

““We either hang together, or we will hang separately.” – George Washington” – Michael Scott

No he doesn’t. He’s a self declared shah in exile, and he said people should choose between a “constitutional monarchy” and a republic.

Good father was a brutal dictator who disappeared opposition and gave away 80% of Iran’s oil to the US and UK, if you think the US/Israel backed “shah in exile” is really going to establish a democratic government, I have so much bullshit to sell you.

The people will “choose” a monarchy and he’ll be more oppressive than his father, while the western media will show footage of his supporters crying with happiness as proof he’s not a dictator.

All these people saying “they want to reinstitute the shah” are basically just making a strawman

From what I’ve seen, it’s Iranians in the streets but I’ll fully admit I’m far away and I’ve seen little.

I guess Mike Pompeo tweeting about it on X was just a conspiracy theory. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b2c7004a-7206-4a57-9051-20e207079e17.png">

Mossad literally tweeted it themselves.

Do you think these liberals should read theory?

The problem with liberals, should I can you a liberal? The problem with liberals is they call everyone with a point they don’t understand a tankie.

We can agree that the current government is very oppressive, and we can agree that it would be great to replace them.

What we can’t seem to get across to you is that being able to show your hair everywhere and wear skirts again is not worth giving away the country’s future by giving control of your oil to the US and helping expand your genocidal neighbor Israel. That’s what’s on offer, not freedom and liberation, but liberal/secular civil laws and a puppet dictatorship to ensure you never say you’re unhappy again.

Iran will seem like it’s flourishing, western media will broadcast images of women in bikinis at the beach and the shah being celebrated in parades, economic sanctions will be removed and cost of living will improve for a lot of people, some people will be rich again as corruption runs rampant but that will be reported on as the success of capitalism. The poor will be worse off, the dictator will disappear anyone who dares question him, just like his father did. And Iran will become a country that lives off US subsidies and military contacts, like every other middle eastern country with a US puppet.

The quickest way of knowing an NPC has been indoctrinated by neocon propaganda is when they call a government that the Zionists dont like a “regime”

I guess oppressive “regimes” that do America’s bidding are fine in your book. If you’ve ever stopped to think about the inconsistency, that is.

In my university there’s a fairly large Iranian community and bro they are begging for Donald Trump not only to bomb, but to even straight up start a full scale invasion

Are those two Iranians 1. willing to participate in the invasion with their boots to the ground, and 2. willing to leave the USA/(whatever comfy western country) and return to Iran to help rebuild after the said invasion?

If not, you should politely ask them to shove a dildo up their anuses.

i known an iranian in my university that hates the current regime, they definitely wanted it bombed or invaded, ba hai people had been massacred so they have special grudge for it.

Thats like the Cubans in Florida who want regime change. They dont represent anyone except themselves. Also Iran is diverse and there are minority groups like the Kurds who want their own state.

Most Iranians migrants are also fanatical Zionists because they think israel will make their dreams come true of dismembering Iran into half a dozen warring countries.

Also I have to add that Iran had been under crippling sanctions from the US regime and its.proxies.for over 15 years. this has eviscerated the economy and is a form of economic warfare to impoverish the population and force them yo turn against their government. It is yet another war crime the US regime engages in with abandon.

Not Iran, but Iranian politicians. I doubt the alliance is doing anything good for the people