UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 19:11
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Doesn’t look like they were deciding whether NATO sends in troops. It looks like they were deciding to bomb any NATO troops that entered Ukrainian territory.
And now NATO states get to decide whether they’re eager to expand the scope of the conflict even further. My money is on a bunch of terminally online hype-beasts on the internet screaming “Hell yeah!”, while the more conservative and conflict averse financial and military leadership in Europe drag their heels.
That’s assuming the AfD doesn’t take over the German federal government entirely and straight up align itself with Russia.
The Afd is also linked to USA ( Pete Hegseth/ Musk) and especially via the Heritage Foundation. The one which wrote Project 2025 ( or Mein Kampf edition 25).
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 05 Sep 19:43
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Mein Kampf edition 25
Sadly, we’ve regressed. Mein Kampf was written from prison. This shit was written from Curtis Yarvin’s substack.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Sep 20:16
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Could be, but unclear. The history of what we call Fascism now is very old. Could be two parties working together or one for the other. It seems though afaik, that their agenda to dismantle democracy coincide per they both being autocratic.
Do you perchance have any links w/info?
Take Bezos, everything will be sold on Alibaba, or Gates, Windows will not be the default operating system. The oil companies will lose their fields.
The billionaires will become millionaires. Even if they can have record profits for 10 years, they are not dumb enough to choose that path forward if they lose everything in 20.
The audacity of Russia and lack of power in EU. When they sent troops, they did not ask for any permission, they just did it. But when there’s talks of sending western forces to maintain ceasefire we are seeking for permission from Russia and debating whether such is needed at all.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Sep 09:39
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Being very much a consensus based talk-shop of competing interests and varied points of view is both the EU’s weakness and it’s greatest strength: it takes ages for it to act but when it does, it does so in a far more organized way, with more staying power and better long term results than the “rush in, break shit up, rush out leaving it all broken” of players like the US (as seen in places like Iraq and Afghanistan).
The “American Way” has a lousy track record of delivering stability by itself (did it ever manage to do so after WWII?) whilst the EU Way has a lousy track record of actually going all the way to the stage of actually doing something (though it tends to act in ways other than the military).
In the long run I think the EU’s way delivers much better outcomes for everybody involved, if and when it does manage to get around to actually act in an assertive way.
In summary, then EU is pretty shit when it comes to immediate reaction and at actually doing anything but it works in long-running situations which are complex to untangle and creating long term stable outcomes.
A good example of the EU Way is the handling of the break up of Yugoslavia, though one could say it was more a cooperation of the American Way and the EU Way.
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Doesn’t look like they were deciding whether NATO sends in troops. It looks like they were deciding to bomb any NATO troops that entered Ukrainian territory.
And now NATO states get to decide whether they’re eager to expand the scope of the conflict even further. My money is on a bunch of terminally online hype-beasts on the internet screaming “Hell yeah!”, while the more conservative and conflict averse financial and military leadership in Europe drag their heels.
That’s assuming the AfD doesn’t take over the German federal government entirely and straight up align itself with Russia.
and USA.
The Afd is also linked to USA ( Pete Hegseth/ Musk) and especially via the Heritage Foundation. The one which wrote Project 2025 ( or Mein Kampf edition 25).
Sadly, we’ve regressed. Mein Kampf was written from prison. This shit was written from Curtis Yarvin’s substack.
That’s just being indirectly linked to Russia
What are you talking about? Afd has direct links to Russia, FSB & China . Here some quick links.
Yes. And you said links to the US/heritage foundation. Which is just Russia with a paper mask
Ah, then I misunderstood your “That” reference.
Could be, but unclear. The history of what we call Fascism now is very old. Could be two parties working together or one for the other. It seems though afaik, that their agenda to dismantle democracy coincide per they both being autocratic. Do you perchance have any links w/info?
Why would the US billionaires go along if Trump would be controlled by Russia?
Why wouldn’t they? Lots of money to be made
If Russia and China take over, much less money is to be made.
Enough money to be made until then. Long term planning is for suckers
Take Bezos, everything will be sold on Alibaba, or Gates, Windows will not be the default operating system. The oil companies will lose their fields.
The billionaires will become millionaires. Even if they can have record profits for 10 years, they are not dumb enough to choose that path forward if they lose everything in 20.
This is an uncommonly realistic take.
Is it really that hard to assassinate world leaders?
no. but they don't want to kill each other. they want to kill us.
They want to control us.
Unfortunately, nukes.
If they’re a madman former KGB agent, backed with Nuclear weapons, then yes.
It’s not hard to do that, it’s the repercussions that are the problem.
The MIC really wants to continue their proxy war.
What, Russia’s Military-Industrial Complex, which started this war by invading a sovereign country?
I’m not so sure about that?
The audacity of Russia and lack of power in EU. When they sent troops, they did not ask for any permission, they just did it. But when there’s talks of sending western forces to maintain ceasefire we are seeking for permission from Russia and debating whether such is needed at all.
Being very much a consensus based talk-shop of competing interests and varied points of view is both the EU’s weakness and it’s greatest strength: it takes ages for it to act but when it does, it does so in a far more organized way, with more staying power and better long term results than the “rush in, break shit up, rush out leaving it all broken” of players like the US (as seen in places like Iraq and Afghanistan).
The “American Way” has a lousy track record of delivering stability by itself (did it ever manage to do so after WWII?) whilst the EU Way has a lousy track record of actually going all the way to the stage of actually doing something (though it tends to act in ways other than the military).
In the long run I think the EU’s way delivers much better outcomes for everybody involved, if and when it does manage to get around to actually act in an assertive way.
In summary, then EU is pretty shit when it comes to immediate reaction and at actually doing anything but it works in long-running situations which are complex to untangle and creating long term stable outcomes.
A good example of the EU Way is the handling of the break up of Yugoslavia, though one could say it was more a cooperation of the American Way and the EU Way.