from Sunflier@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 28 Jun 17:15
https://lemmy.world/post/48761259
He added that physical and psychological damages “inflicted on each individual of the Iranian nation in the 2nd and 3rd imposed wars, from child killings and war crimes in Minab and Lamerd to attacks on medical centres, is each a legal file that must be pursued in both domestic and international courts.”
He further stated that from the “murder” of newborns and the elderly to the assassination of his father and predecessor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, “each is a file among thousands of major legal cases that must be earnestly pursued in domestic and international courts”.
“What is definite is that these criminals must be seized by the collar and brought to justice for their criminal deeds,” he asserted.
Never in my life could I have expected to agree with the Iranian government. But, on this specific issue? I do. There needs to be accountability for this.
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The messenger is awful, but the message his correct: the US war criminals must be brought to justice.
Whoever’s idea it was to use fucking Grok for targeting with no human intervention. And the “haven’t washed my hands in a decade” douchebag, Pete Kegsbreath.
I’ll take ten Mojtaba Khameneis over one Pete Hegseth. Hell, I’ll take a Khamenei over Keir Starmer, at this point.
Of course, he’s little more than a figurehead under the current Iranian government, given that their Parliament can’t safely convene and their military is fully operating via the Mosaic Strategy of decentralized retaliation against ongoing US/Israeli bombardment. I’m not sure why people have decided he’s a bad leader, given that he hasn’t made any meaningful leadership decisions since taking office.
But I guess he’s Muslim and unseasonably tan, so that’s enough to make him a bad guy.
Probably something to do with the fact that he was in a position to become the leader of such a repressive government to begin with. Maybe he will break with past policies and be a champion for women’s rights and LGBTQ+ causes, but if someone was already tipped to take over the reigns of such a government, I assume vetting processes mean he’s generally onboard with what the government was doing beforehand unless I see them taking actions that show otherwise. At this point, who knows how he’ll be, as he’s been set up with something of a PR softball in responding to an aggressive war lead by Israel and the US. Postwar, we’ll see how he shakes out domestically.
That said, I’m still hoping the Iranians just trounce their enemies in this conflict. Whether he’ll ultimately represent an improvement for the Iranian people over his predecessor or not has nothing to do with the fact that he’s on the right side of the current conflict and crushing it at the moment.
I think it’s a trap to think of countries which haven’t been allowed to thrive by basically the entire west as failing on values that they virtually never think about. Is it really that surprising that sanctions lead to regression or stagnation on civil rights of minority groups? They have been under sanctions since 1979. In 1979 how did our LGBTQ+ representation look?
I’ll be the first to accept that Iran, just like Cuba and any other country under long term sanctions from the US for refusing to kowtow to US demands, is essentially crippled from the start and unable to function as well as they could have without that ongoing interference. However, that doesn’t negate things that they’ve done on their own, like harsh repression of protests or that lady who was sentenced to being whipped for singing a song without wearing a hijab the other day.
I’m basically saying that my view of him is like my view of whoever wound up being Putin’s handpicked successor would be. I find them suspect by virtue of passing the screening process to even wind up in that position to begin with, and that will only change if they start taking actions that are at odds with their predecessors’ once in power. If his other positions turn out to be even half as good as his stance against Israel and the US in the current war on Iran has been, I will be happy to realize that my suspicions were unfounded. At the same time, just because they’re in the right on this specific topic doesn’t mean they are flawless in other aspects. Like, the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church was surprisingly progressive for civil rights for African Americans for a white guy in Kansas in the 1960s, but you won’t catch me singing Fred Phelps’ praises in light of all the other heinous stuff he’s done in his life.
I’d take a khamenei ruling under current day British law over keir starmer ruling under the current day judicial system of the Islamic Republic of Iran though. Be careful what you wish for.
What did the messenger do to you?
And not only for their crimes in Iran but all over the middle east and Latin America , the savagery and barbarism of the Epstein coalition must be punished.
And Southeast Asia. And East Asia…
Wouldn’t it be funny if Iran joined the ICC? They won’t otherwise they’d pretty quickly have to answer for all the executions they are perpetrating, but still, it would be funny.
I hate everyone in this.
A clock with dead batteries is still right twice a day.
Ok but good luck in US courts.
The US was very happy to use the ICJ for their cases against Iran in the 80s
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Because Iran isn’t going to challenge them in the US courts but the ICJ/ICC (if at all)
I don't think they're independent
Iran doesn’t recognize ICJ/ICC. Best they can do there is convince countries that do recognize them to start a case. But since neither Israel nor the US recognizes them, even if they win a case it will be hard to get them to justice. Most successful cases were succesful because the perpetrator lost their political power. So as long as Iran, US and Israel support their leader it’s very unlikely they will be jailed by because of an international court. Unfortunately.
The Hague isn’t subject to US Courts’ oversight. Basically, the ICC puts out warrants for tRmp, Kegseth, and the ilk. Wouldn’t expect the US to extradite. But, they’re arrested if they ever step foot in an ICC jurisdiction.
Like Bibi.
*should be arrested
Fair. But let’s not forget all of their own people they killed. Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei should all share a cell in The Hague.
Also every american presidents and every american politicians who allowed weapons and aid to israel , all the western politicians who did the same , the arab traitors collaborating with the enemy and every single isrseli politicians and prime ministers.
We don’t want them in Europe, build a cell somewhere else!
I’ll put the cell in my house if it gets it done.
I’m sure the forever loop of “what’s new pussycat” will be a winner
Make sure you get a few “it’s not unusual”s in there to give them hope
I rather have them here to be honest, or somewhere with equally little corruption and equally little political instability. They sure can raise my taxes if that keeps these 3 jailed.
It was crazy to hear US news reporting “Iran has killed 30k, 50k, 90k of their own people!!” based on unnamed sources and Facebook memes. Meanwhile, the journalists on the ground in Gaza reporting on the genocide were systematically assassinated by the Israeli government, while hospitals were obliterated, and communications severed. And the US national media response became “information is unreliable so we’re just not going to say a number anymore”.
I wonder how many Iranians killed during the current US/Israel air raids and infrastructure annihilation will be retroactively counted as “The Iranians killed themselves”, once American journalists finally make their way back into the country.
You don’t need to wonder how many Iranians died during the war, because Iran keeps very good track of these. However, they try their best to hide how many were killed of their own citizens during January, and there there will probably never be an accurate figure for that, only estimates.
Where did you get this information?
The Americans think that their propaganda still works. fuck that disgusting rogue empire.
It’s definitely losing it’s grip. But genuinely frightening to see how many people will still fall back on “Yeah, but I’m glad they’re killing the correct kind of foreigners this time”. As soon as Democrats retake the White House, your head is going to spin to see how many people enthusiastically support more bombings.
More accurately, you’ll notice all the currently anti- people oddly quiet, none of the news reporting it (outside of extreme edge cases), and a relatively few people loudly and enthusiastically supporting it.
Most “don’t” support it, but keep their heads down when it’s a D doing it, and scream endlessly when it’s an R doing the same exact thing.
And vice versa. The US is really showing the flaws of a two party system right now.
The vote ratio on your comment is alarming and tells a lot about the Lemmy user base.
I’ll never understand how people can call themselves leftists and then simp for the likes of Khamenei.
Unrelated to topic, but i only see total up/downvotes. How do i get ratio? Switch viewer or change setting?
I want everyone in jail, I want it everywhere, I want it now.
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We will happily give you the convicted felon that happens to be our president and his entire cabinet to you. Please save us.
Completely fair point.
Yup. The guy’s not wrong.
Unless you consider the person speaking. Then your realize they behead people for not being their faith, women driving a cars, women not covering their entire bodies, a culture of men who just “can’t help themselves” but sexually assault women…we can go on for days.
I’m not saying Americas hands are clean, far from it. But this dip shit is acting like his are and he’s on the right side of morality is a complete joke.
The irony is not lost on me, but he’s still not wrong.
They are a horrendous society and government, but a clock with dead batteries is still right twice a day.
The horrendous society is the US who elects rapists, and thrives on sucking other countries blood by using wars, extortion and sanctions.
Iran is a developing country, it has its problems but at least it’s not evil because fuck yeah, unlike the western countries especially the US.
What are you referring to? Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians have official representation in the state.
I haven’t heard of this practice in Iran, even less of the government forcing it on women, and clearly not beheading them for it.
No women was beheaded for driving a car. It was the saudis who used to prohibit women from driving and beheading was not the punishement. Those beheafing non muslim is isis not Iran. Fuck off with your islamophobia.
It’s true, but Iran leadership has been commiting crimes against humanity themselves as well.
It’s crazy though that I instantly agreed with the sentiment when I read it…
The western countries who armed israel for decades too
Iran, the state, can fuck off 🤣. Simps will forget these are horrific scum bags.
Yes
They are also 100% right here
Just because the regime is evil doesn’t mean they’re wrong
Similar cases should be added for Iran as well, that way both evil nations are in it
And still the united states came out looking worse than them by killing children and civilians; America can fuck off even farther.
I see more Iranians simping for USA and Israel these days than I do “westerners” simping for Iran (at all, ever).
The collapse of states means millions of deaths. Don’t you mean the government?
Before blaming the current Iranian government of killing its own people, one should remember it was the US made it possible for them to come to power. By fomenting unrest against a democratically elected government which was as western as possible.
We shouldn’tve meddled, but I can still blame theocratic authoritarians for being theocratic authoritarians who abuse and murder protesters
The problem is; all that baby murder and hospital 'splodin was legal.
That said; Iran does kind of have the leverage to change that, and I really hope they’re willing to suffer through it for us.
Guys calm down. It’s cute when we do it. It’s only a problem when you do it because of branding.
You want fuck with us? Prop up an extremist Christian sect in your country and publicize the atrocities they commit. Then compare them to the US.
Bwhahaha
Sure, but that won’t ever happen. The future sucks, there is no hope.
Fuck em. We can make their future suck even worse.
Afaik neither Iran, not Israel, nor the US recognize the ICC nor the ICJ. Their leaders should stop bitching about who committed what war crime and just go to jail already.