Al-Jazeera journalist by day, Hamas commander by night: IDF reveals (www.jpost.com)
from i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:30
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i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:34 next collapse

this is why i do not believe the 25,000+ “civilian” casualties

when your “innocent” “civilians” are militarized they are neither “civilians” nor “innocent”

the deaths of Palestinians are on Hamas because of them using them as human sheilds, if you are accusing someone of genocide it should be hamas not israel

Stamets@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:36 next collapse

Translation: I condone the wholesale slaughter, killing, bombing and starvation of civilians as long as the ultimate end goal is just

Yike

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:48 collapse

Non sequitur into strawman?

If you don’t like what the other guy said, you could try responding to their point at least a little bit.

Stamets@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:52 next collapse

No.

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:54 next collapse

So you condone the wholesale slaughter of civilians at a music festival?

See what happens when we just post non-sequiturs? The discussion becomes ruined. Its just not helpful. Presumably, if you are discussing things, you want… something… to happen with your words. To be listened to, or for a debate to occur, or whatever. But if you’re just… doing the worst of fallacies and ignoring the points of others, what even are you doing here?

Stamets@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 23:15 next collapse

You seem to have mistaken the OP of this post for someone genuine. You are completely correct in every other normal course of action but this isn’t a normal course of action. The dude is a blatantly insincere and who is so hyperbiased and leaning to one side that there is no room for debate. I mean… why would I ever waste my effort? I would get better results screaming at a wall because at least there’s a chance of acoustic damage being done to the underlying structure.

what even are you doing here?

Mocking a troll.

FaceDeer@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:35 next collapse

So one must condone one side or the other, there is no other possible position here?

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:38 collapse

I come on here every day or two to call out the hypocrisy of these idiots choosing one side good, the other bad, and get downvoted to hell. It would actually suck if I cared about votes.

LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Feb 2024 23:37 collapse

The discussion becomes ruined

There was never anything worth discussing here. Everyone knows the IDF is lying here. No one is called upon to respond thoughtfully and respectfully to people who defend genocidal regimes.

Chozo@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 00:11 collapse

Based.

i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:59 next collapse

they don’t care about views

unless it is about hating israel or jews

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Feb 2024 23:25 collapse

if you are accusing someone of genocide it should be hamas not israel

Do you think they can be reasoned when that’s their line of thinking?

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 05:08 collapse

Um… Hamas explicitly wants to remove Israel. So yeah, everyone wants to genocide each other in this.

Are you new to the Middle East? Its a clusterfuck of everyone legitimately trying to genocide each other since WW1 / collapse of the Ottomans.

I can very much see a strong argument that Hamas (and Hezbollah, and Houthis, and Iran) are collaborating to try to wipe Israel off the map. The brutality that Israel is doing is making me change my opinion to the Israelis so they really need to cut back on their attacks. But no local wants Israel there, that’s the standing assumption of the past century.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Feb 2024 05:19 collapse

And yet the only ones currently doing it are Isreal.

Also turns out USA constantly doing coups to prevent lost of capital has been a terrible fucking idea.

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 05:37 collapse

Hamas’s unprovoked attack on Oct. 7th shows that they are certainly trying to do things. I do think that Hamas bit off more than they could chew here.

Redrawing the map where Hamas is destroyed and PLO from the West Bank obtain more power over Gaza is likely the solution. No one likes Hamas, not even local Muslims (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.). PLO likely would be better to rule over the area, and combining West Bank + Gaza into a single political entity would provide benefits to all IMO. Obviously its very complex but Hamas absolutely started this shit first.

NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 06:37 collapse

Hamas’s unprovoked attack on Oct. 7th shows that they are certainly trying to do things.

Unprovoked? What do you think has been going on the past 75 years?

Also the PNA is effectively an Israeli and American puppet that shouldn't be allowed within 10 miles of a government office.

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 06:46 collapse

Unprovoked? What do you think has been going on the past 75 years?

I dunno. What do you think has been going on?

The borders haven’t shifted since 1968. So… please, explain. (Israel had a spat with Egypt but that’s over by 1982 as the land was returned). Land-area wise, its pretty close to 1949 all else considered.


What do you think has been going on since 2005? Israel removed its troops and settlers from Gaza 2005. And how did Hamas/Gaza repay the favor?

NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 09:38 collapse

The borders haven’t shifted since 1968. So… please, explain. (Israel had a spat with Egypt but that’s over by 1982 as the land was returned). Land-area wise, its pretty close to 1949 all else considered.

Uh... Apartheid? Occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem? Effective occupation of Gaza (the UN's words, not mine)? Are you being intentionally obtuse?

What do you think has been going on since 2005? Israel removed its troops and settlers from Gaza 2005. And how did Hamas/Gaza repay the favor?

The favor of being blockaded? Again, there's a reason the UN still considers Gaza occupied by Israel.

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 16:11 collapse

Uh… Apartheid? Occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem?

Gaza/Hamas doesn’t operate under West Bank or Jerusalem. The policies you’re talking about don’t even apply to Hamas.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

You’re the one pointing out policies and issues outside of Gaza right now. Are you confused about the geography?

The favor of being blockaded? Again, there’s a reason the UN still considers Gaza occupied by Israel.

Blockaded by who? Answer: Israel + Egypt. Gaza has a land-border to a majority Muslim country. Go ask yourself why Egypt doesn’t want to help Hamas, and maybe you’ll start understanding the local politics.

PugJesus@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 22:49 next collapse

Oh, yes, I'm sure that Israeli artillery shells are very discriminating when they level an apartment block.

Stamets@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:52 collapse

And as we all know, IDF actually use smart bullets that can tell whether or not someone truly is Hamas. That’s why they openly have fired at civilians waving white flags and surrendering, and why they shot at a child sitting in a car.

Zaktor@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 04:16 collapse

That the smart bullets have killed so many thousands of women and children is just evidence of how serious the Hamas problem is.

Zorque@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:49 next collapse

"Those civilians were asking for it, dressing like terrorists-tarts and all..."

FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml on 12 Feb 2024 00:52 collapse

Some brains are just too big to fit inside normal sized human heads

deegeese@sopuli.xyz on 11 Feb 2024 22:34 next collapse

How many IDF do genocide by day, pro-Israel journalism by night?

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HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 23:02 collapse

Big pile of whataboutism there.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Feb 2024 23:28 collapse

Its not whataboutism if its about the same thing…

wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 10:05 collapse

it's whataboutism, any time someone follows up a story like this with 'what about the time X did worse?'

it's literally the definition of whataboutism. if it weren't whataboutism, then we wouldn't be talking about the IDF. we'd instead be talking about the dude pretending to be a journalist by day, and a terrorist by night.

the fact that you don't know this means two things. either you know and are trying to deflect, or you just flat out don't know that's what whataboutism is.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 13 Feb 2024 05:25 collapse

Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.

Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.

deft@lemmy.wtf on 11 Feb 2024 22:35 next collapse

I don’t listen to Israel, the IDF or any news agency talking negatively about the people being genocided. I don’t care about Hamas

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:35 collapse

OK, so one side genocide is OK, the other not OK. Got it.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Feb 2024 01:45 collapse

Not okay for anyone but we can see one definitely doing ir

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:52 collapse

Yep. Oct 7th. Killing kids at a peace concert, praising it’s success at killing innocents and declaring that they want to have as many Oct 7ths as it takes to wipe Israel off the map.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Feb 2024 02:43 next collapse

Thanks for proving you have no idea what’s going on or what a genocide is

deft@lemmy.wtf on 12 Feb 2024 02:58 collapse

that’s not a genocide

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 04:43 collapse

Tomato tomato. Everyone self-righteously throwing around genocide, I figure language changes and it must not mean what it used to.

SattaRIP@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 05:47 next collapse

You're being pedantic then being a pedant about being pedantic.

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jordanlund@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 02:27 collapse

Removed, rule 5:

“Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!”

autotldr@lemmings.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:35 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Al-Jazeera journalist Mohammed Wishah had a side job as a commander in Hamas’s anti-tank missile units until 2022, evidence retrieved by the IDF revealed, the IDF’s spokesperson for Arabic media, Avichay Adraee, announced on Sunday.

“During operations by our forces several weeks ago inside one of the Hamas camps in the northern Gaza Strip, a laptop belonging to someone named Muhammed Samir Muhammed Wishah, born in 1986 from Bureij, was seized where it is clear from the documents that Muhammed Wishah is a prominent commander in the anti-tank missile units in the military wing of Hamas.”

At the end of 2022, Wishah transferred to work in the field of research and development in Hamas’ aerial units, according to Adraee.

Adraee’s attached photos showed Wishah engaged in operations within Hamas, including photos showing Wishah training Hamas members and firing anti-tank missiles.

“Who knows how many details we will reveal about the presence of other terrorists in journalistic uniforms in the near future?”

The IDF’s English-language X account responded to the revelations, posting “Hey @AlJazeera, we thought your journalists were supposed to give unbiased reports on situations, not actively participate in creating them on the front lines as Hamas terrorists.”


The original article contains 249 words, the summary contains 198 words. Saved 20%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

Gazumi@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:47 next collapse

“IDF reveals” is rapidly losing credibility.

HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 23:01 next collapse

Yes somehow MEE stories are taken as fact?

I would be interested in seeing the documents and evidence myself, but it won’t be released anymore than the other huge amounts of intel each side gets.

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:31 collapse

The “this footage released by Hamas”, while having all the credibility of a terrorist organization, also with explicitly expressed wishes for genocide, still manages to get kiddies really, really riled up.

qaz@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:48 next collapse

Do you have another source for this? I’m not familiar with jpost.

Edit:

MBFC says the following about jpost.

Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Country: Israel

MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MODERATE FREEDOM

Media Type: Magazine

Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic

MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:51 next collapse

I have severe doubts that Al Jazeera would post this kind of story. And with this kind of evidence from IDF, I do think it means that there’s reason to discredit Al Jazeera as well.

Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.

qaz@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 22:55 next collapse

I didn’t mean AJ, I was looking for something like AP or Reuters.

Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.

True, but that’s just another reason to remain skeptical and vigilant about checking the validity of claims.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Feb 2024 23:23 next collapse

Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.

Especially when IDF is trying so hard to kill it

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:36 collapse

You misspelled Hamas…but you know, it doesn’t really make a difference.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Feb 2024 01:44 collapse

Nope. Both are utter bastards and liars

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:52 collapse

Yep, 100%

GundamWang@infosec.pub on 11 Feb 2024 23:40 collapse

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_journalists_killed_in_…

en.wikipedia.org/…/Attacks_on_journalists_during_…

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_journalists_killed_dur…

Over a hundred to date, and that’s only this year. Every year we get stories of Israeli snipers targeting journalists etc.

HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2024 23:00 next collapse

Israel sided, but no more so than Middle East Eye is anti-isralei… which somehow gets hundreds of upvotes. Credible, factual, but biased.

People ask for evidence, evidence provided, evidence downvoted.

I would consider this a bit of info in a sea of propaganda campaigns and bot vote manipulation - don’t take it as gospel, but an insight.

qaz@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 15:28 collapse

I would consider this a bit of info in a sea of propaganda campaigns and bot vote manipulation - don’t take it as gospel, but an insight.

Do you think anyone would spend time on bot manipulation on a platform as small as Lemmy?

HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 18:41 collapse

Absolutely I do

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Feb 2024 23:23 next collapse

High Credibility but also Bibi’s mouthpiece…

Analysis Until 1989, the Jerusalem Post’s political leaning was left-leaning as it supported the ruling Labor Party. After Conrad Black acquired the paper, its political position changed to right-leaning, when Black began hiring conservative journalists and editors. Eli Azur is the current owner of Jerusalem Post. According to Ynetnews, and a Haaretz article, “Benjamin Netanyahu, the Editor in Chief,” in 2017, Azur gave testimony regarding Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s pressure. Current Editor Yaakov Katz was the former senior policy advisor to Naftali Bennett, the former Prime Minister and head of the far-right political party, “New Right.”

quindraco@lemm.ee on 12 Feb 2024 05:17 collapse

I have a less credible source, if that, uh, helps you. Scroll down for more claims with accompanying evidence, but as someone who doesn’t know Arabic or what the leaders of Hamas look like, I honestly had no idea what I was looking at.

qaz@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 2024 15:26 collapse

Thanks, but I can neither speak Arabic nor recognize any of the people on the pictures too.

athos77@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:18 next collapse

Any actual proof of this, or is this just yet another bogus, baseless claim?

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:34 next collapse

Probably something like that denunciations of Israel’s hospital attack that killed 400+, before it was revealed to be a Palestinian missile that fucked up and suddenly the death count dropped to like 20. I don’t know why anyone supports either set of terrorist actions by this point.

Timbits@lemmy.ca on 12 Feb 2024 07:25 collapse

in other words . . . no

Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Feb 2024 06:02 collapse

i mean it’s Jerusalem post, so

520@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:37 next collapse

You mean like they 'revealed' (read: lied about) UNRWA having ties to Hamas?

livus@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 00:35 collapse

They lost me way back at the fake "Palestinian" nurse with the Israeli accent who was complaining about trying to fix a kid's fracture without painkillers at Al Shifa because Hamas.

(Meanwhile the real medical staff at Al Shifa were complaining about having to amputate children's limbs without anaesthetic because IDF).

Silverseren@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:46 next collapse

Not sure why anything JPost says about Gaza or the West Bank is believable in the slightest. We have so many, many examples of them blatantly lying about anything and everything in the past.

But, of course, the retraction is much less noticed as compared to the original fake claim.

FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2024 23:47 next collapse

Lol yeah he probably have a hammas base inside his shoe or something

livus@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 00:28 collapse

@FreudianCafe I'm imagining it looks like Maxwell Smart shoe phone.

blazera@kbin.social on 11 Feb 2024 23:49 next collapse

it looks like they photoshopped weapons to replace cameras. A part time military commander?

CrazyFrog97@discuss.online on 11 Feb 2024 23:52 next collapse

Al-Jazeera journalist by day, freedom fighter by night.

He’s basically Superman.

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 01:35 next collapse

Hamas Commander, aka a terrorist, is superman? What the fuck is going on in this site. Bunch of fucking wackos.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca on 12 Feb 2024 02:02 collapse

I mean superman is a vigilante.

philo@discuss.online on 12 Feb 2024 03:08 collapse

Hamas are freedom fighters in your eyes! And you guys say there are no Hamas apologists here.

CrazyFrog97@discuss.online on 12 Feb 2024 07:29 collapse

He was in the anti-tank unit and stopped serving in 2022

Or do you think a soldier defending against Israeli tanks is a terrorist too? The same tanks that kill innocent Palestinian children

What I see here is IDF apologists, genocide apologists, war crime apologists, and down right deplorable people and they’re all the same people

philo@discuss.online on 12 Feb 2024 14:44 collapse

Who did I call a freedom fighter? BTW, His laptop was found at one of the sites up north. So much for your 2022 claim…

CrazyFrog97@discuss.online on 13 Feb 2024 00:56 collapse

I called him a freedom fighter and the 2022 claim comes directly from article quoting the IDF.

Al Jazeera journalist Mohammed Wishah had a side job as a commander in Hamas’s anti-tank missile units until 2022, evidence retrieved by the IDF revealed, the IDF’s spokesperson for Arabic media, Avichay Adraee, announced on Sunday.

Can you not read?

Chozo@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 00:09 next collapse

Ahh, this is their "discredit the media" phase of fascism, I see.

girlfreddy@lemmy.ca on 12 Feb 2024 01:31 collapse

They started that back in 2021 when they bombed a Gaza highrise that housed multiple journalist offices.

DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 02:19 next collapse

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Limitless_screaming@kbin.social on 12 Feb 2024 04:40 next collapse

had a side job as a commander in Hamas's anti-tank missile units until 2022

  1. Not even relevant to recent events.
  2. Anti-tank missiles are probably self defense, or at worst resistance.
  3. "evidence retrieved by the IDF revealed"
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz on 12 Feb 2024 05:13 next collapse

per the IDF.

Ah, so more unsubstantiated bullshit. If they wanted to be believed, they shouldn’t have lied the first, second, fifth, or twentieth time before.

wahming@monyet.cc on 12 Feb 2024 10:48 collapse

Ah, so THIS is why they’ve been preemptively slaughtering every journalist they can. It’s just self defense!