HikingVet@lemmy.ca
on 17 Jun 2025 17:18
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Huh, why would Iran surrender now?
MartianSands@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2025 17:49
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Israel and trump appear to be claiming to have defeated the Iranian air defense, and achieve air supremacy over the Iranian capital.
If that’s true then Iran is in deep trouble, and inviting them to surrender wouldn’t be unreasonable. I very much doubt that it is true, but that’s what they seem to believe
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:10
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Remember that Iran is still controlled by an extremist religious regime they are ready to die. They will never surrender
nogooduser@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:13
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Well, they’re at least ready to let their population die.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:16
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Israel always continued aggression in their war. Like during the nekba they destroyed hundred of villages after arab surrendered
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Jun 2025 03:45
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The US is controlled by an extremist religious regime that I think actually wants to die to start their rapture. God, what a shit show. There should be a continent where the rest of us can just go live in peace while these assholes kill each other and hate minorities.
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
on 17 Jun 2025 18:12
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The US has had air supremacy in every conflict it has been in for a long time and it hasn’t won a single one of them. It would topple the Iranian regime with a ground invasion, but air strikes won’t do that. And the US would certainly loss an insurgent war just like it did everywhere else.
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2025 19:36
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Judging from all this I think the US will just kill the theocratic dictator Mr whoever and let Israel do what they want to do next, so there’s no winning or losing here to the US at least.
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
on 17 Jun 2025 19:40
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Given that the regime has been around for fifty years, I really doubt that killing the head of state would destroy the state. They have a much deeper bench than that I would assume
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2025 19:45
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At least they won’t be state level threat anymore.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip
on 18 Jun 13:19
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The Ba’ath Party was in for almost that long in Iraq. It didn’t help them.
Though the Iranian theocracy has more rule by committee, so they’re probably more resilient than a paranoid one-man dictatorship.
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Jun 13:57
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They also have decent records of relevant political figures which are in no doubt in the hands of the US.
Seriously, the nazis were able to compile lists of political enemies (suspected to be) in Brtiain 85 years ago.
It’s not a stretch to suggest the US knows exactly who is relevant to keeping the regime alive, whom to imprison and whom to kill.
Collapsing a nation is far easier than establishing a new one after all.
Air supremacy, on its own, doesn’t win wars. It does, however, lead to massive civilian casualties.
So now the Iranian people will bleed because someone wants the imams gone, just like most of the Iranian people do.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
on 17 Jun 2025 20:04
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Israel and trump appear to be claiming to have defeated the Iranian air defense
Yeah we know they will claim that no matter how far they have to stretch words.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
on 17 Jun 2025 21:32
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From what I’ve seen from western media, Iran is a paper tiger and are pretty thoroughly getting their shit smashed in. How much is distorted or kept from us, difficult to say.
The claims of Iran shooting down (multiple) F-35s seem unsubstantiated and bogus. The pictures of them are very obvious fakes. Those air defenses they have/had apparently weren’t up to the task.
That said, as duplicitious as Trump and Netanyahu are, an invitation to surrender looks like an obvious trap.
YoiksAndAway@lemmy.zip
on 17 Jun 2025 17:37
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So he’s threatening political assassination now?
NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz
on 17 Jun 2025 18:08
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He’s just mad no-one calls him supreme leader
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
on 17 Jun 2025 18:30
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He’s the Supreme TACO, with extra taco seasoning applied to the face.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2025 00:37
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That’s the world we live in now. Just breathtakingly stupid motherfuckers wielding power and influence that is galaxies beyond their ability to manage or even properly make use of.
Dragomus@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2025 06:27
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He thinks by killing the Ayatollah it will all be over … quite naive imo.
I wonder why the US didn’t allow Israel to target him outside avoiding escalation with Iran.
Maybe the pentagon had a different plan to overthrow the government, and killing him would only reinforce support for the IRCG?
lupusblackfur@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:00
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US didn’t allow Israel to target him
This was either never true…
Or Chump envisions playing “good cop” with Iran…
I’m going with the first one as the second requires some level of planning and strategic thinking that Mafia Don Mangolini simply does not possess and simply could not comprehend if someone attempted to explain it to him.
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Brkdncr@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 17:52
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This isn’t the US’ war, why would Trump be making any demands?
Edit: I just saw that Trump has posted that the US is involved directly with the war.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:23
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I honestly think that he’s trying to get Iran to blockade the Strait of Hormuz to drive up the price of oil, to the benefit of Russia and also U.S. oil producers.
Goretantath@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:28
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Yeah hes doing everything he can to ruin everything Biden did to improve the economy.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 18:42
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I hate so much 2000’s election. W Bush shit on the Constitution to such a degree that now Trump can get us involved in a military affair, not with the explicit consent and will of Congress, but with a fucking tweet.
Gwb you started this, that and the rigged supreme Court. If I were of voting age back then I would’ve rioted. I asked my dad why he didn’t, despite being a huge 2A proponent, and all he could give me was less respect for him.
Zahille7@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 19:25
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I thought Reagan started all this? Or Nixon? If only we could agree (not that this matters literally at all at this point) in who actually started us down the path of fascism. It’s so hard to keep the demagogues in order these days…
Or we could just agree that shit’s fucked and we need to do something about it without trying to point fingers or blame on any specific person in the last 60 years who is already dead and long gone.
Yeah. Nixon being forced to resign was the turning point.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 2025 20:37
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The CIA started it in 1953 by overthrowing the government of Iran.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 23:55
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Maybe they did, but 2000 and 2004 were the first elections I was truly aware of, and intelligent enough to know something should’ve been done. I voted for the first time in 2006 and haven’t missed an even year voting cycle since. I stopped asking my father why he didn’t support peaceful protests happening in areas near to him about 10 years ago, and cut off all contact 6 years ago. I’ve not been more at peace since
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Jun 2025 03:40
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Americans are just fucking stupid. I’m in the South and just bought a gun because the KKK originated within 30 min of me, and statistically, half my neighbors are nuts. I’m not sure if someone will not kill me on a daily basis. This country is unsafe for some people. I’m white, a citizen, and from the South too, and I’m still scared.
b_tr3e@feddit.org
on 17 Jun 2025 19:04
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This isn’t the US’ war, why would Trump be making any demands?
Because he sees a chance to profit. His war or not, Trump wants his cut. Or else. He’s got a right on his cut because he’s the president. The best president ever. Everybody knows that.
forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org
on 17 Jun 2025 19:35
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Well, considering he’s had a hard on for buying Iran since before he was elected the first time…I didn’t think he cares.
Mirshe@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2025 21:59
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Also, we all forget he tried to gin up a war with Iran in his first term. Wartime presidents tend to stay in power, and he knows this - wartime protests would also give him an excuse to use the military at home like the blunt instrument he sees them as.
That allows the US to justify their war crimes by saying it’s their fault
Dragomus@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2025 06:26
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It is so strange, according to him the US is not in this fight … but Iran has to surrender?
And then what? This is as clueless as was the “democratization” of Iraq.
If Iran surrenders, (to the US? to Israel?) what happens?
Will just the religious leadership be arrested?
Tried and banished to an island near Antarctica?
Will the populace just shrug and embrace a democracy?
Will Iranians get to see peace within a year? Or will we see a second Afghanistan rise up that falls in the same pit of oppression within 10 years?
Should Iran give up all its nuclear and military material, go oil only and be a vassal state of Israel or the US?
Will there be no one anymore who gives Israel the evil eye? Or is given the evil eye by them?
Somehow I doubt if Iran would surrender or was conquered that Israel would demilitarize itself…
Nor do I think the religious caste will EVER give up their power flowing through Iran, though Qatar is vying to become a replacement nozzle.
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Huh, why would Iran surrender now?
Israel and trump appear to be claiming to have defeated the Iranian air defense, and achieve air supremacy over the Iranian capital.
If that’s true then Iran is in deep trouble, and inviting them to surrender wouldn’t be unreasonable. I very much doubt that it is true, but that’s what they seem to believe
Remember that Iran is still controlled by an extremist religious regime they are ready to die. They will never surrender
Well, they’re at least ready to let their population die.
Israel always continued aggression in their war. Like during the nekba they destroyed hundred of villages after arab surrendered
The US is controlled by an extremist religious regime that I think actually wants to die to start their rapture. God, what a shit show. There should be a continent where the rest of us can just go live in peace while these assholes kill each other and hate minorities.
The US has had air supremacy in every conflict it has been in for a long time and it hasn’t won a single one of them. It would topple the Iranian regime with a ground invasion, but air strikes won’t do that. And the US would certainly loss an insurgent war just like it did everywhere else.
Judging from all this I think the US will just kill the theocratic dictator Mr whoever and let Israel do what they want to do next, so there’s no winning or losing here to the US at least.
Given that the regime has been around for fifty years, I really doubt that killing the head of state would destroy the state. They have a much deeper bench than that I would assume
At least they won’t be state level threat anymore.
The Ba’ath Party was in for almost that long in Iraq. It didn’t help them.
Though the Iranian theocracy has more rule by committee, so they’re probably more resilient than a paranoid one-man dictatorship.
They also have decent records of relevant political figures which are in no doubt in the hands of the US.
Seriously, the nazis were able to compile lists of political enemies (suspected to be) in Brtiain 85 years ago.
It’s not a stretch to suggest the US knows exactly who is relevant to keeping the regime alive, whom to imprison and whom to kill.
Collapsing a nation is far easier than establishing a new one after all.
Air supremacy, on its own, doesn’t win wars. It does, however, lead to massive civilian casualties.
So now the Iranian people will bleed because someone wants the imams gone, just like most of the Iranian people do.
Yeah we know they will claim that no matter how far they have to stretch words.
From what I’ve seen from western media, Iran is a paper tiger and are pretty thoroughly getting their shit smashed in. How much is distorted or kept from us, difficult to say.
The claims of Iran shooting down (multiple) F-35s seem unsubstantiated and bogus. The pictures of them are very obvious fakes. Those air defenses they have/had apparently weren’t up to the task.
That said, as duplicitious as Trump and Netanyahu are, an invitation to surrender looks like an obvious trap.
So he’s threatening political assassination now?
He’s just mad no-one calls him supreme leader
He’s the Supreme TACO, with extra taco seasoning applied to the face.
That’s the world we live in now. Just breathtakingly stupid motherfuckers wielding power and influence that is galaxies beyond their ability to manage or even properly make use of.
He thinks by killing the Ayatollah it will all be over … quite naive imo.
Remember the Iranian general he vaporized in his first term? Pigboy’s got form.
Please Make Eric Trump theater commander of US forces in the area. It would be beyond parody and I will wake up from the nightmare laughing.
He’ll get servicemen killed. It won’t be funny.
Their fault for refusing to disobey illegal orders.
Their fault for not deposing the fucking scum that America allowed in.
I wonder why the US didn’t allow Israel to target him outside avoiding escalation with Iran.
Maybe the pentagon had a different plan to overthrow the government, and killing him would only reinforce support for the IRCG?
This was either never true…
Or Chump envisions playing “good cop” with Iran…
I’m going with the first one as the second requires some level of planning and strategic thinking that Mafia Don Mangolini simply does not possess and simply could not comprehend if someone attempted to explain it to him.
🙄 🤡 🖕 💩
This isn’t the US’ war, why would Trump be making any demands?
Edit: I just saw that Trump has posted that the US is involved directly with the war.
I honestly think that he’s trying to get Iran to blockade the Strait of Hormuz to drive up the price of oil, to the benefit of Russia and also U.S. oil producers.
Yeah hes doing everything he can to ruin everything Biden did to improve the economy.
I hate so much 2000’s election. W Bush shit on the Constitution to such a degree that now Trump can get us involved in a military affair, not with the explicit consent and will of Congress, but with a fucking tweet.
Gwb you started this, that and the rigged supreme Court. If I were of voting age back then I would’ve rioted. I asked my dad why he didn’t, despite being a huge 2A proponent, and all he could give me was less respect for him.
I thought Reagan started all this? Or Nixon? If only we could agree (not that this matters literally at all at this point) in who actually started us down the path of fascism. It’s so hard to keep the demagogues in order these days…
Or we could just agree that shit’s fucked and we need to do something about it without trying to point fingers or blame on any specific person in the last 60 years who is already dead and long gone.
Yeah. Nixon being forced to resign was the turning point.
The CIA started it in 1953 by overthrowing the government of Iran.
Maybe they did, but 2000 and 2004 were the first elections I was truly aware of, and intelligent enough to know something should’ve been done. I voted for the first time in 2006 and haven’t missed an even year voting cycle since. I stopped asking my father why he didn’t support peaceful protests happening in areas near to him about 10 years ago, and cut off all contact 6 years ago. I’ve not been more at peace since
Americans are just fucking stupid. I’m in the South and just bought a gun because the KKK originated within 30 min of me, and statistically, half my neighbors are nuts. I’m not sure if someone will not kill me on a daily basis. This country is unsafe for some people. I’m white, a citizen, and from the South too, and I’m still scared.
Because he sees a chance to profit. His war or not, Trump wants his cut. Or else. He’s got a right on his cut because he’s the president. The best president ever. Everybody knows that.
Well, considering he’s had a hard on for buying Iran since before he was elected the first time…I didn’t think he cares.
Also, we all forget he tried to gin up a war with Iran in his first term. Wartime presidents tend to stay in power, and he knows this - wartime protests would also give him an excuse to use the military at home like the blunt instrument he sees them as.
“But he kept us out of war!!!”
Fucking idiots.
Let’s see, a war to distract from an unpopular Republican president. We’ve never seen that before…
That means the US is not involved directly with the war.
The Dealmaker everyone.
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The Iranian regime are a bunch of cunts but they’ll never surrender. They’ll throw their kids to the wolves before they surrender.
Peter Thiel and his US Installment is well aware of this.
That allows the US to justify their war crimes by saying it’s their fault
It is so strange, according to him the US is not in this fight … but Iran has to surrender?
And then what? This is as clueless as was the “democratization” of Iraq.
If Iran surrenders, (to the US? to Israel?) what happens?
Will just the religious leadership be arrested? Tried and banished to an island near Antarctica?
Will the populace just shrug and embrace a democracy?
Will Iranians get to see peace within a year? Or will we see a second Afghanistan rise up that falls in the same pit of oppression within 10 years?
Should Iran give up all its nuclear and military material, go oil only and be a vassal state of Israel or the US?
Will there be no one anymore who gives Israel the evil eye? Or is given the evil eye by them?
Somehow I doubt if Iran would surrender or was conquered that Israel would demilitarize itself…
Nor do I think the religious caste will EVER give up their power flowing through Iran, though Qatar is vying to become a replacement nozzle.
Non-participant making demands. Sounds like what he was doing to the Ukrainians.
Trump’s a vulture. Let someone else kill it, then feast on the rotting carcass.
He’s a paper tiger. He won’t commit troops as he’s still a draft dodger, afraid of confrontation.
He will chicken out eventually.