BREAKING: U.S. and Israel Bomb Iran Amid Peace Talks
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from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 28 Feb 07:17
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from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 28 Feb 07:17
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Whelp, it looks like Star Trek was on the nose. This is probably the year World War III begins.
EDIT: WWIII last 27 years.
You forgot Eugenic Wars.
Instead of genetically engineered superhumans we get kleptocratic asshole billionaires and AI.
Instead of charismatic Khan Noonien Singh future gets a sickly pale Mark Zuckerberg.
We’re in the Confederation Timeline from Picard S2. Khan didn’t happen in that iteration of events.
It fits. Awful season, awful reality.
Agh, fuck. Where’s Q when you need him?
He’s who gave some dipshit the idea to make Trump reality TV star and started all this.
If you’ve been watching all of Trek, you’ll know that the Eugenics Wars no longer have a fixed point in time. WWIII on the other hand hasn’t changed.
I find this WW3 aspect rather ridiculous and America-centric thinking. Pretty much everyone is staying out of this and theres no signs of the US sending troops in. This is just a repeat of the last operation they did, maybe in a bigger scale
In regard to WWIII, focusing only on the current Israel/US-Iran conflict seems like rather America-centric thinking. Russia invaded Ukraine over four years ago and is still fighting in their territory. A foreign-backed civil war is raging in Sudan with massacres large enough for civilian satellite imagery to see large scale blood stains. Pakistan declared “open war” against Afghanistan just this month. China is continuing to claim the territorial waters of their South-East-Asia neighbors and engage in regular ship rammings to secure it. Israel has bombed Palestine, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Qatar, and Tunisia in just the last year. Russia-backed ships have been cutting undersea telecom cables. And a Chinese invasion of Taiwan seems imminent.
Who the fuck will trust the US when they bomb you during peace talks
That’s the neat part. You don’t
Trump did this last term too, we killed their intelligence chief when he landed for peace talks with Iraq.
This is a war crime, BTW. Attacking someone under a perceived state of truce or ceasefire is called “perfidy”.
And was, IIRC, widely praised for it by the pundit class.
I think the “beauty of our weapons” and “Trump became president today” was a different instance from the Soleimani killing.
Honestly gladdens me to know I’m not the only one who remembers this from 2017.
There were multiple instances. I remember… I think it was Isikoff, asking “are you celebrating” or something to that effect. The only thing stopping universal praise was how scared people were it would start a war. That’s currently starting.
Hmm maybe, don’t know much about him personally(but probably do his work) I just remember TV media pundits, especially the so called anti Trump media pundits, having an orgasm on TV over bombing on Syria I think.
Oh, yeah, that one definitely happened. The minute it looked like Trump was gonna play ball on their plans for Syria, the entire foreign policy apparatus stopped giving a shit about anything else he did.
I still remember 2017, when Donald decided to drop the MOAB on Afghanistan and Fareed Zakaria praised him effusively on CNN.
Guess he learned the lesson.
War crimes don’t mean anything. It is a cudgel the victor uses to do more damage after they win.
disagree. What Israel did to the palestinians has meaning and is legally defined globally as war crimes. I am not willing to say those laws and global agreements have no real meaning.
I will agree if anyone gets convicted for any of it. I am not that hopeful
I hate to disagree, but laws and rules have no actual meaning if there isn’t an enforcement mechanism. Considering how long Israel and the US have been committing war crimes without even the lightest of punishment for those in charge, whatever enforcement is in place is obviously insufficient.
What did Trump say recently? Something like: “I have no need for international law. The only thing that can stop me is my own morality.” (Obviously, the wrong words, because he doesn’t speak that well, but the same meaning.) We all know what his morality is like. He’s OK with fucking little girls, and, possibly, killing them. The only morals he has is doing things to benefit himself.
Not everybody behaves like it yet, but that ship has sailed!
Idiots, sniveling toadies, and combinations thereof.
For decades American kids were taught that the Japanese were the lowest of the low because they bombed Pearl Harbor with no warning, also while discussing peace.
Trump would have heard the story over and over as a lad.
They’ve been doing that for decades.
This is the second time they’ve bombed Iran during peace talks. I know it feels like a million years, but it only happened last June.
with everything going on, it does feel like it was a million year ago
Who the fuck would trust America with Donald Trump on charge. Dude lies to he’s suit tailor. That’s how vain he is. Add in the fact that he’s being blackmailed into this and is a pedophile. I wouldn’t trust trump to watch my dog for an hour, let alone nuclear war.
Well, Trump has now dragged us into a World War on behalf of Israel. Meanwhile people in America starve, are homeless, addicted to opiates, and have no jobs and no healthcare. Everything is unaffordable and the American people are hopeless, and now another endless war.
Fuck Trump. America First? America fucking Last....
Don’t worry, the AI bubble will probably export unemployment to the rest of the world before it bursts, so everyone can starve
bet 70% of the world already learned how to deal with poverty
More or less, but it looks like the majority of the countries is not willing to do that (I only heard of real results at scale in Finland, tbh)
Just desperate enough for the promises of the benefits received by military service to start sounding very appealing.
That’s how they get you
I’m not seeing any reason why a world war would erupt over this. China and Russia are glad that the US has entered into another stupid military mess, they have no reason to actively engage, the US is destroying itself all on its own.
Saying this is the start of a World War is such a USA-centric brain dead take. Ukraine war is closer to World War than anything that might happen in Iran will ever be.
Ugh… China is constantly itching while constantly glaring at Taiwan, and (recently) eastern Russia… Distracted 'murica makes braver China
WW started not suddenly, everybody kinda slowly joined the party
China is likely to attack Taiwan while the U.S. is distracted. Pakistan and India could get into it while there’s no one available to intervene.
US has been distracted many times when they attacked and invaded like a dozen countries since WWII?
Unlike the US, China isn’t governed by a attention-span lacking moron. They want Taiwan, and will not rest until they have it, but they also don’t want a war with the US over it, unless they can be certain to win it. This isn’t it.
If you can't connect the dots between Ukraine, Iran, Taiwan, and Venezuela then I simply don't know what to tell you...
Despots back each other up and form an alliance network, because an alliance network is the only way to be powerful against the West. This hits their alliance and long term makes their alliance weaker. However Russia is busy, and China is too reliant on exports.
There is no alliance between China and Russia and Iran. Iran is a minor player in this. You are regurgitating Bush “axis of evil” nonsense as if it was actually true. China and Russia doesn’t care about Iran, and they were never allied to them. They benefited from Iran in various ways then, they will benefit in various ways from this US disaster.
Lol you don’t need a formalized alliance like NATO.
Why does it have to involve the big powers for it to be a world war?
IMO that implies that less powerful countries being in chaos doesn’t matter.
I always thought world war just meant a lot of countries in a related conflict.
Because it is a pretty basic and factual definition of world war. War occurring in different places in the world at the same time does not equal a world war.
While the US is distracted on two other fronts (Central America and the Middle East) China can take Taiwan with ease.
Why wouldn't China invade Taiwan at this point?
Yeah, I don’t know that this will cause a world War, but it does give a pretty nice opening for China to do things it wouldn’t be able to do under normal circumstances. They can attack a, supposedly, belligerent neighbor and say it’s the same thing the US did to Iran, and the US will be tied up with this conflict for an unknown amount of time. World wars don’t start from a single thing. They start from rising tensions across the board. The war with Ukraine and Iran are pieces of a larger conflict.
The plan is to mobilise the homeless and jobless into the war
Oh it is “America first”. Problem is the narcissist-in-chief thinks he is America.
Yeah, “America first” just means leaders of America first. The people of America are last.
This is the message that needs to get spammed on every liberal and conservative forum, twitter thread, facebook group and subreddit.
We can’t stop trying to associate in their minds the pain and suffering they’re feeling right now, in this moment, with Trump and Israel.
Shoutout to Evan Vucci who made the photo that heads the article. It encapsulates the whole situation perfectly: The Don behaves predictively like an angry, lying troll, making smugly grinning Netanyahu’s wishes come true.
They really deserve each other. I just wish somebody gave them a sandbox so they wouldn’t have to destroy the world.
Preferably located somewhere on Venus
I can’t find it rn but an Israeli newspaper was openly stating that “files that could still come to light” finally changed Donny’s mind on Iran. Wouldn’t surprise me tbh. 🤷
Just goes to show how much the FIFA peace prize is worth!
A trophy, photoshoot and bribe for stolen land, all paid by working class. Brilliant. Art of the deal - never trade with your money, lives are worth nothing (on wall street)
Huh, every single recipient of the FIFA peace prize is a rapist and convicted felon. Odd.
Even the President of Puerto Rico?
Dude, the president of Puerto Rico is- ohhhhhhhhh…
The paper towel thrower in chief
agreed they are really making a mockery out of the FIFA peace prize.
/s
Good luck.I hope this hurts you bad.
For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
Considering the average soldier is likely not the brightest bulb, and not the most morally compassed… Isn’t it likely the only thing stopping the US from invading EU-ish countries, is our skin color?
Tell that to Greenland
Copied the script from Wag the Dog
Yah that doesn’t work anymore.
ASAB
They are going to rename the PErsian gulf to the American gulf 😂
Saw this cool site with a live map of alerts of the region, but I also noticed an odd name on the map. TIL Batman is a city and province in southeastern Turkey, serving as a major hub for the country’s oil industry near the Tigris River.
iran.liveuamap.com/?filter_cat=&ll=37.247821%2C31…
Fun fact : Batman the comic came before Batman the city (namewise)
Also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_University
One way to cover up the Trump-Epstein-Gate cover-up.
Selected excerpts from:
No foreign wars #2.
So that’s why they gave Anthropic that deadline, huh? I should have seen that one coming, that’s on me.
Friday? Stock market closed?
I knew it was coming when they said there were bears on the moon with ak47s.
Uhhhh what
link (comedy sketch by WKUK)
Goddamn interstellar wizard alliances at it again.
It’s a good way to teach everyone that the way to deal with America is to stab them in the back as soon as possible, and to make it a killing blow.
Thanks for telling us who you are.
*Trump
*Republicans
*The Corporate, Financial and Evangelical Donors that Own Them All
democrats too. be honest.
Who was voted into office by 77 million Americans (knowing full well who he was and what he would do once in office) while 83 million stayed home. 75 million did at least the bare minimum, but they’d spent decades allowing their party to descend into controlled opposition to the point where the best tactic they could think of to oppose Trump was to wave little round signs around in Congress.
Trump is the full embodiment of the American spirit. He’s proudly ignorant, arrogant, petty, and a firm believer in a might-makes-right philosophy. He’s also wealthy due to circumstance but firmly believes that he earned it. America has never had a truer representation of their values as President.
I didn’t vote for him. should I be included in the “full embodiment of the American spirit”?
Well, think of it this way: does the fact that some parts of the brain of a serial killer protested their acts really matter to the victims? Does it matter in court when they’re sentenced to death? Should that part of their body be judged separately?
Dont forget the US democrats, who also ran a pro genocide campaign while still pretending as hard as they can that they never had anything to do with any genocide, and certainly arent compromised in their pursuit of democracy or justice, no sir-ee. This would have happened nearly the same if they had been elected-- just with more theater. The whole American governance system is fundamentally broken and unlikely to fix itself.
America has been doing this type of shit long before Trump. He’s just particularly brazen about it.
The US and israel are not looking for peace.
Iran signaled thgat they were going to give them everything they asked for so they attacked instead. They never wanted a deal, they wanted a reason to start a new zionist war on the American taxpayers dime.
When? It was more like they were signalling they’d be willing to go to the mat rather than become a US puppet or whatever Trump had in mind.
Its linked in the main article cbsnews.com/…/us-iran-deal-within-our-reach-oman-…
No enrichment, full inspection by IAEA, no stockpiles.
Ah, thank you. I have a strong feeling Oman is leaving bits out, though. Since when has a nuclear deal with Iran been that easy? They have no reason to trust the US, especially after they blew up their own deal the last time. And Trump is hard enough on people who aren’t US enemies at a vulnerable moment.
I’m not the only one who’s been saying a confrontation was inevitable. The only real question is how far Trump is willing to go before he TACOs.
Iran already had a nuclear agreement with the USA and other countries, which Trump tore up during his first term before he bombed them. Then a few years later they’re about to agree to his replacement deal and, as they prepare to sign, Trump bombs them.
No one will want to negotiate anything with the USA after Trump’s behaviour in the past year. No agreement with the USA is worth the paper it’s written on.
This just taught the world when dealing with the USA you strike first. I’m of the mind this is the start of WW3 now because I doubt the other BRIC countries don’t get involved.
I think those are over.
Good. Iran needs to change. The regime is too oppressive killing any Protestant how can anyone expect change other than violence. It would be good for the world too, no terrorism and more western Iran would great.
Get fucked, calling starting a war “good”. Learn some empathy before you die a monster.
Just because an end result can be positive (this is yet to be seen here), the means to that end are highly arguable. The US is not, despite what they seem to think, the world police.
Just like with overthrowing the dictatorial former president of Venezuela, this is not the US’s place.
You think that the US bombing Iran is going to reduce terrorism? What the fuck do you think inspired alqaeda and ISIS? This will validate every terrorist organization’s hate for america.
Please read any amount of history before regurgitating talking points on a subject that you clearly do not understand.
This backpack (CW: Blood) belonged to an elementary school kid who was killed yesterday after the U.S. and Israel targeted her school.
Take a look at the picture, and tell us all again how it’s a good thing.
Because if the last 25 years have taught us anything, it’s that the US going to war with Islamist nations creates regional peace and stability…
FTFY. Maybe start preaching at home.
Edit: fixed it even more. Also that account is a sleeper troll from the post history seems like, but I stand by what I said.
God fucking damn it
US: “You can’t enrich uranium!”
Iran: “We reluctantly agree to this term.”
US: Bombs Iran anyway
We live in a clown country 🤡
Gotta distract from the files and stop the elections somehow, after all. Nice lil twofer for sure.
At least they took out that PoS Khamenei
If only anyone could’ve known that america is a piece of shit county full of cowards.
The world is pretty short of upstanding countries at the moment. They are all compromised by far-right facsist supremacist zionism and the pedophilia honey traps Epstein conducted (in service of Zionism). Are you from some place thats free of that?
I think China is safe from that.
They just have their own genocides they’re conducting is all so can’t be bothered to help with other’s.
It proves once again one cannot trust the USA and Israel under their current regimes.
Traitor AND yellow bellied sneak attack commie puppet. Nice. “I wish I could give myself one of these medals. I deserve one.” . Four deferments as 4F. Draft dodger. Maybe had he gone he’d have come back an American.
I can just see this happening while literally negotiating at the table. Like US and Iran are there, the mediator mediating, someone walks in and whispers into the US sides ear, they say carry on everything is fine and continues. A few minutes later someone walks in on Iran’s side and whispers into their ear and they freak out.