That’s one of the main problems with religious people, though. They view any critique, satire, mocking or ridicule of their belief as a personal attack.
I never understood that. Like, at all.
If your belief in an idea is so strong, shouldn’t you also be very confident in the power of said idea to withstand any such attacks?
Why are the religious so damn insecure? (Spoiler: Probably because they know they can’t prove any of their claims…)
To me, this is the most poignant difference between science and religion. Religions are shielded against criticism, religious people will react violently against any attacks on their faith.
Science invites criticism, it wants to be questioned, because that’s the only way to improve and gain new knowledge. As a scientist, you score points if you successfully and scientifically disprove existing science. Heck, you even gain points if you disprove yourself.
To any sane person, this should obviously be vastly more intellectually honest - so the existence and popularity of religion in itself is proof to me that humans tend to be lying pieces of shit.
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 09:43
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The in-universe reason is that the devil is making people think that the criticism is valid.
Tempting is what they call it, and it allows them to dismiss anyone who appears to be making a good point as consorting with the devil.
bufalo1973@piefed.social
on 07 Oct 09:54
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“My god is all powerful… but he needs me to kill the infidels”
Then maybe “your god” is not so powerful.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 11:38
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If your belief in an idea is so strong
It clearly isn’t
chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 17:00
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On two occasions I’ve seen people flinch when they asked my religion and I replied atheist. Flinch, like I raised my hand to them.
As to your point on empiricism, religious people are skeptical of science because they think it’s another religion, one in competition with theirs. Like you, I can hardly get my head around that thinking.
I had a solid science teacher in elementary school who began each year teaching the scientific method and the difference between fact and opinion. Every year I’d think, “Yeah. We fucking know.” Judging by what I saw childhood classmates say on FB, the lesson didn’t stick for some.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Oct 21:49
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Seems like a good teacher to me. They tried their best.
Had 3 teachers that I can call the best, but Mrs. King changed my life in deep ways. She taught me how to setup an experiment, how to be exacting, how to asses my results, all that. She taught us the difference in an educated guess (an hypothesis), and a wild-ass guess. So much of that teaching applies to every day life. Look at people and politics. They can’t understand how science can make mistakes and still be valid. They view science as just another religion. They can’t discern fact from opinion. They think an hypothesis they don’t like is merely a wild-ass guess.
Thought she was old at the time, but she was really a young hippie chick that took teaching science seriously. I also learned that teachers can, gasp, get married!
chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 16:59
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she victimized poor God
justsomeguy@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 07:55
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I better not wear my Allah loves to scissor shirt in Morocco then.
I think the real mental disorder is to obsess about other people’s personal struggles and play the victim about it, calling for their suffering and even death. But what do I know besides what conservatives tell us about themselves?
You just admitted to hating people you think have mental disabilities. If it stopped there, that would be bad enough but you go way further than private hatred.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 11:45
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The same blasphemy laws that islam wants to put in place across the entire WORLD. Not just islam, all religions want to do this. They want to control you, it’s either their fictional god and hate book, or death, pain, and suffering.
Wonder what they would do if a wore a Flying Spaghetti Monster T-shirt. As an ordained minister in the Church of the FSM, with the paperwork to prove it, how could they possibly complain?
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Fascism
A 30 month sentence for a completely victimless crime.
But my religious feelings! /s
That’s one of the main problems with religious people, though. They view any critique, satire, mocking or ridicule of their belief as a personal attack.
I never understood that. Like, at all.
If your belief in an idea is so strong, shouldn’t you also be very confident in the power of said idea to withstand any such attacks? Why are the religious so damn insecure? (Spoiler: Probably because they know they can’t prove any of their claims…)
To me, this is the most poignant difference between science and religion. Religions are shielded against criticism, religious people will react violently against any attacks on their faith.
Science invites criticism, it wants to be questioned, because that’s the only way to improve and gain new knowledge. As a scientist, you score points if you successfully and scientifically disprove existing science. Heck, you even gain points if you disprove yourself.
To any sane person, this should obviously be vastly more intellectually honest - so the existence and popularity of religion in itself is proof to me that humans tend to be lying pieces of shit.
The in-universe reason is that the devil is making people think that the criticism is valid.
Tempting is what they call it, and it allows them to dismiss anyone who appears to be making a good point as consorting with the devil.
“My god is all powerful… but he needs me to kill the infidels”
Then maybe “your god” is not so powerful.
It clearly isn’t
amen
Ramen
On two occasions I’ve seen people flinch when they asked my religion and I replied atheist. Flinch, like I raised my hand to them.
As to your point on empiricism, religious people are skeptical of science because they think it’s another religion, one in competition with theirs. Like you, I can hardly get my head around that thinking.
I had a solid science teacher in elementary school who began each year teaching the scientific method and the difference between fact and opinion. Every year I’d think, “Yeah. We fucking know.” Judging by what I saw childhood classmates say on FB, the lesson didn’t stick for some.
Seems like a good teacher to me. They tried their best.
Had 3 teachers that I can call the best, but Mrs. King changed my life in deep ways. She taught me how to setup an experiment, how to be exacting, how to asses my results, all that. She taught us the difference in an educated guess (an hypothesis), and a wild-ass guess. So much of that teaching applies to every day life. Look at people and politics. They can’t understand how science can make mistakes and still be valid. They view science as just another religion. They can’t discern fact from opinion. They think an hypothesis they don’t like is merely a wild-ass guess.
Thought she was old at the time, but she was really a young hippie chick that took teaching science seriously. I also learned that teachers can, gasp, get married!
she victimized poor God
I better not wear my Allah loves to scissor shirt in Morocco then.
Brilliant! Thanks for the laugh.
To save you 50 clicks required to get through to the t-shirt content, it said: “god (Allah)” followed by “is lesbian”.
“Stone” followed by “this guy” Edit: “je suis” followed by “Charlie”
Look, a religious terrorist.
“Death” they chant, at the first opportunity. Fueled by their hate religion, they wish only to spread religious hate and death.
Don’t those religious nut jobs claim god is everything? That would include god to be a lesbian as well.
Sounds psychotic
Fuck you, you religious terrorist. Fuck your fictional, useless hate god, too.
I think the real mental disorder is to obsess about other people’s personal struggles and play the victim about it, calling for their suffering and even death. But what do I know besides what conservatives tell us about themselves?
You just admitted to hating people you think have mental disabilities. If it stopped there, that would be bad enough but you go way further than private hatred.
The same blasphemy laws that islam wants to put in place across the entire WORLD. Not just islam, all religions want to do this. They want to control you, it’s either their fictional god and hate book, or death, pain, and suffering.
Stop supporting all religions.
Thanks, r/atheist
Do problem r/religiousfruitcake
Religion is cancer.
Wonder what they would do if a wore a Flying Spaghetti Monster T-shirt. As an ordained minister in the Church of the FSM, with the paperwork to prove it, how could they possibly complain?
😃 <— this is a picture of Mohammed