Putin on Kursk failure: Not my fault (www.politico.eu)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 10:39
https://lemmy.world/post/18959153

Russian leader says Ukraine’s gains sound like a you problem.

President Vladimir Putin has a message for the Russian region where Ukraine has seized more than 1,000 square kilometers of territory: Don’t blame me.

Speaking via videoconference to a meeting of Russian politicians, including the governors of Kursk, Belgorod and Bryansk regions, Putin said the “security issues” that had arisen in Kursk were “problems that are the responsibility of the security forces.”

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 10:40 next collapse
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Deestan@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 10:48 next collapse

Then why do they need to be ruled by Moscow?

njm1314@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 17:42 collapse

That’s a pretty common question in Russia actually. There’s a long long history of abuse and then indifference from Moscow. There’s a reason there’s so many nascent separatist movements in Russia.

Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 10:55 next collapse

And if it was, I didn’t mean it

inbeesee@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 18:34 collapse

And if I did mean it, you deserved it

dinckelman@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 11:09 next collapse

I’d love to hear whose fucking fault it was then. Someone’s gotta go out of a 8th floor window next week

ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place on 23 Aug 2024 12:04 collapse

I mean, it’s clearly Ukraine’s fault. They invaded, whose else’s fault could be?

If Ukraine didn’t invade, would those territories be occupied by Ukraine?

There, your answer.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 23 Aug 2024 11:18 next collapse

Putin really doing a lot to erode any chance Russia ever controls Kursk again

mp3@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 2024 11:43 next collapse

Gotta socialize the failures, it’s what the people would want.

xc2215x@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 11:48 next collapse

Who else could it be then ?

HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com on 23 Aug 2024 12:04 next collapse

Yeah. it has nothing to do with invading ukraine. nothing at all. /s

Gsus4@mander.xyz on 23 Aug 2024 12:30 next collapse

The last resort of defense-obsessed dictator is the Shaggy air defense^TM^ when losing actual “historic russian lands”. 😆

nkat2112@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 13:06 next collapse

Wow, he’s sounding a lot like Felon Drink Bleach.

Veneroso@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2024 22:26 collapse
Shawdow194@fedia.io on 23 Aug 2024 13:18 next collapse

Putin should stick to what he does best, poisoning panties

Jayb151@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 13:32 collapse

Dude, I know Russia has poisoned people… But panties? That’s a new one for me.

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 13:42 next collapse

Navalny pants, dude.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 15:47 collapse

Dirty undies . . . the whites!

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 13:41 next collapse

The relevant piece is the conclusion at the end of the transcript linked in the OP.

I feel like Politico misinterpretated this. He didn’t say it’s on them (not him), and didn’t blame anyone explicitly, he meant this topic is not a part of this public conversation, and it’d be dealt by them. This, as a piece of the whole picture, does mean something tho.

The issue is exhaustingly downplayed. Most of the conversation is held about evacuation, monetary help (now it’s $150!), the start of the school year, and not much is even said about security. One of the topics, the armament of civilian forces of territorial defence, and later these ‘problems … of security forces’, sounds not unlike what could’ve been told before the attack, or before the 2k22 invasion itself. No reassuring speeches, not even an aknowledgement that a part of the region is under foreign AF.

He still evades that, distances himself. He traditionally disappeared when shit hit the fan, even went to other country for a meeting (a political suicide in places where politics are practiced) and did not comment anything at all. And after two weeks the response is not unlike those he could say about a natural disaster that ‘just happened’. Hurr-durr, let your people cooperate with emergency services and cops, and let’s play it cool. BTW, let’s make schools open on a schedule, okay?

I’m not from Kursk, but I think it’s not in any sense encouraging for locals. Moreso, these terr-defence forces inspire more fear than security: how’d they recruit people and how disciplined are they if given weapons? And with such priorities, it doesn’t sound they want to sacrifice their onslaught elsewhere to take these territories back. Times and times again russian citizens are told to just deal with it. And, depressingly yet unsurprisingly, they would.

Lobreeze@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 15:07 collapse

2k22? Why not 2022

derpgon@programming.dev on 23 Aug 2024 15:47 next collapse

One less number, duh

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 15:51 next collapse

I’m vibing with the youngsters. That’s been said, I’ve forgotten to update my Twitter bio in a while.

Jesus_666@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 15:57 next collapse

Why not 2.022k?

eestileib@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 16:48 collapse

OP works for EA.

dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net on 23 Aug 2024 13:45 next collapse

That’s real leadership right there.

Akasazh@feddit.nl on 23 Aug 2024 13:56 next collapse

I wish him many ‘not his faults’ for the future!

Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 14:41 next collapse

That’s quality leadership for you.

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 16:28 next collapse

The fact that he feels the need to say this is a sign of his vulnerability, of the pressure he feels. The chorus of voices is only going to grow louder as Ukraine kills and captures more and more soldiers, more conscripts.

Putin blaming the security forces is the beginning of the end for him. The domestic security apparatus is the only thing keeping him in power.

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2024 16:47 next collapse

None of us know this, everytime we see something not go their way we talk like this hut truth is we have no clue. Putin has kept people in check for a long time, he is good at it. 2 years ago it was cancer, and everytime there is anstrategic win we talk about cracks and thw beginning of the end.

The russian people enjoy living in shit to spite all the westerners.

fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee on 24 Aug 2024 22:49 collapse

“Maybe our leaders abuse us, but have you seen how good we are at taking it?”

eestileib@sh.itjust.works on 23 Aug 2024 16:47 collapse

Eeeeeehh, this is how the czarist system (and really monarchies in general) always worked. The king is the Good Father; fuckups or moral failings are because of the Bad Councilors.

People know the deal going in.

He may be weak, probably is, but I don’t think this specifically is necessarily the sign to look for.

rammer@sopuli.xyz on 24 Aug 2024 05:07 collapse

But the czarist system has the feature that given enough fuckups, the czar is removed in a palace coup. And given that the oligarchs have been hit quite hard by sanctions and that the “Special” military operation hasn’t exactly gone to plan. It seems only a matter of time before it happens.

khannie@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2024 22:01 collapse

Fingers crossed!

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 2024 16:58 next collapse

Only, if he hadn’t started a special military operation none of this would be happening.

Veneroso@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2024 22:21 collapse

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