'I saw one terrorist standing by a bed pleading 'no, no,' I killed him with four bullets'
(www.middleeastmonitor.com)
from sirboozebum@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 2024 23:27
https://lemmy.world/post/13013153
from sirboozebum@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 2024 23:27
https://lemmy.world/post/13013153
Just to be clear, this was an elderly Palestinian man cowering under a bed who came out with his hands up and was murdered by an Israeli soldier who brags about it after.
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We’ve seen this before. Dehumanize a people to the point where everyone is considered scum and this is what happens.
This is literally one of the steps to building a fascist state. Israel is speed running to a fascist theocracy.
they already are. it's time for regime change
Every time they start talking about it something like this happens and everyone there “rallys around the flag”
Israel has never not been a fascist state. Religion is humanity’s oldest lash. Each of the abrahamic religions after Judaism is a heretical revolutionary cult against the political structures that each prior religion corrupted itself into.
A NYT letter to the editor signed by many prominent Jews, including Einstein, more or less blatantly called Tnaut Haherut Nazis.
Haherut is now Likud, and that letter was written in 1948.
From a comment in reference to this piece:
“In February 2014, the state of Israel held a memorial ceremony to mark the 20th anniversary of Begin’s death. The prime minister, then, as now, was Netanyahu.
“The newspaper Israel Hayom reported Netanyahu as saying: ‘[Begin] is a great role model for me, with his respect for democracy, courts of law and the media…… Israel and the Likud are inspired by the spirit of Menachim Begin.’”
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that’s an interesting read; thanks for dropping it.
I’m no scholar, but aren’t there only two and their various sects? Would have been shorter to just name them, unless it was to tie them to their Abrahamic roots and then I’m curious why you don’t include Judaism.
I wasn’t going for short, I was trying to communicate a specific idea. To answer your questions read the rest of what I said.
I did misread initially, thank you.
You could argue it’s all the same religion, different sects but the same exact God, just different names for it.
Or wasn’t the exact same God who talked to Abraham in all of these religions?
One could also argue that the god described in the New Testament is not the same as the (petty, jealous, hateful, genocidal) one in the OT.
That’s YOUR point of view. None of the major Christian sects think that afaik.
You can make a religion out of that!
I think the actual lash might precede it, but how can we really know?
Just what Trump and the GOP is doing with immigrants in America.
This is my favorite Black Mirror episode because, unlike most of the episodes, it has literally been done before except we don’t need the technology they used. People are cruel and stupid enough to just listen when you say other people are monsters without requiring much else.
it actually requires years of extremism within a government for people to support things like this.
I really don’t think it does, check out the Robbers Cave experiment. Group dynamics is fascinating.
Robbers Cave has been debunked. Short version:
Muzafer Sherif’s first experiment (“Middle Grove”) failed when the two groups worked together to figure out that they were being manipulated. The second experiment (“Robbers Cave”) was only apparently successful because the “camp counselors” were explicitly aiding and abetting the feud between the two groups.
Of course, Sherif didn’t mention these details when he publicized his results.
I don’t see where it’s debunked in that article, but I’d absolutely like to check out any other sources you have. I only found a Vox article that said he failed to disclose the first experiment and linked to that same page you did. To me, it seems more “scientifically unsound” due to ethical issues rather than “debunked”.
Even that author thinks he’s just like every researcher. I dunno. I’m not seeing the debunked angle. Ethical issues, sure.
Regardless, I still think it’s quite relevant even if they were manipulating the boys somehow; do you not feel we’re potentially being manipulated by other parties to feud with one another?
Fundamentally, it’s the same issue that affected the Stanford Prison Experiment & the Milgram experiment. You can’t claim that the subjects naturally developed certain behaviors, if they were being prompted or saw through the prompts.
Since Sherif proved himself to be untrustworthy after the first experiment failed to provide the results he was looking for, we can’t really trust that any of the conditions of the conflict between the campers arose from the campers themselves.
Yeah this sort of radicalization takes decades of hatred for the “other”. I’m talking about Israel, to be clear.
Maybe? But even if that’s true, so what? What’s your point?
I remember around 10 years ago, there were some videos of what the youth were taught in school, and interviews with young adults about their opinion of Palestinians.
To sum it up, they were taught they were filth, sub human, in ~grade school ages. Young adults “sympathized” that they had tough lives, but they should go elsewhere, anywhere else, and that if they didn’t, they should die.
It was in the context of that anti missile defense, and living in Isreal with frequent missile/terror attacks, and how Palestinians were segregated, had long lines to enter the city, couldn’t use the same roads, kids throwing rocks at cars, etc.
So yeah, this genocide is hardly surprising. They’ve been dehumanizing the Palestinians for generations, straight up indoctrinating their children. So the IDF murdering them like some rabid dogs was exactly the goal.
Holy moly, this sounds hauntingly familiar.
And that is all really ridiculous brainwashing, considering that all those people look very similar. You could take random Israelis and Palestinians and dress them up all in the same clothes, and then ask people which person was which ethnic group and they might not be able to tell them apart.
Same thing with the Hutus and the Tutsis during the Rwandan Genocide, or Turkish and Armenian people, except even closer than that probably. It’s ridiculous.
JR, an artist that plastered large portraits of Palestinian and Isrealis in both cities. Groups tried to tear down portraits of the opposing group. They had to stop because they realized they really couldn’t tell who was Isreali or Palestinian by their faces alone. This was in 2007.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JR_(artist)
There was a paper that attempted to provide some genetic evidence for this, but it, and the author, were attacked, the paper unprecedentedly deleted, and the author shortly thereafter apparently smeared with false embezzlement charges. Make of that what you will.
He is a bit of a nut job when it comes to the Basque language, though, hilariously.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Arnaiz-Villena www.theguardian.com/…/medicalscience.genetics www.bmj.com/content/324/7339/695.1
The UN has also compared the rate of killing to Rwanda. Specifically worse than in any conflict since Rwanda.
Bibi: We have to pump those numbers up if we ever want to beat Rwanda
there is no amount of Palestinian death that will ever slake the bloodthirst of the I"D"F and the genocidal state they murder for.
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TIL the word slake, thanks!
Where’s the source for this happening? The article claims there was a video, but I don’t see a link it.
It’s embedded, just press play to watch.
If it’s not showing for you, the direct link is www.instagram.com/…/C4TA6FZM90i/
Neue NAZIs.
Ashkenazis
Zionists are Nazis.
Now you’re Internet famous. See you in the Hague!
Woah, interdimensional communication! I just want to say you’re lucky you get to live in the universe where justice is actually served to those that deserve it!
Isn’t this a Black Mirror episode? Back when it was still pretty good
ZioNazis
It was RIGHT THERE
NAZIONIST
Apparently the kibbutzim are quite bad for “radicalising” children into this kind of hyper-nationalist, fascist mentality. That’s an ironic legacy for a series of communes, but maybe it’s a byproduct of their insularity?
To be fair, that area is considered an active war zone, and all civillians knew that way ahead of the invasion.
If it was intentional, fuck him. But if it was by mistake and as a precaution against Hamas (who are known to wear civilian clothes) - then you really can’t blame them for not wanting to be ambushed.
How are ya’ll expecting an army to act in a war zone?
Better than this
Well, less rapy and genocidy, maybe?
You really have to explain the “to he fair” part here, when the subject line is a soldier bragging about shooting an innocent old man by justifying it with "well he was a
palestinianterrorist“less rapy and genocidy” you mean… Like exactly what Hamas did that started this whole war, who got that old man killed? Then sure. I expect every human to not rape and kill innocents.
Yeah, exactly like Hamas who all too should be jailed for life for their crimes, exactly like the Israeli government and heads of army.
Are you really trying to justify raping and murdering by saying “but they did it first!”?
In that case, fuck the Israeli government even more because they’ve been doing this shit for over 50 years now. Is this really the first time you hear about innocent Palestinians being murdered? I’ve heard it since I was a little boy and oh boy is that long ago!
You’re pathetic.
From the article / post: " The soldier who fired the shots describes entering the home and encountering only one unarmed Palestinian, gesturing and saying, ‘No, no.’ "
He openly admits to shooting an unarmed Palestinian man.
Again, if it was as a precaution against an ambush (which is known to be basically the only way Hamas fights) then you can’t blame him.
That man is poor for being in that spot, but what legit what can you expect from soldiers in a war zone where every day an ambush happens.
Not shooting civilians. Soldiers have ROE for a reason. Either he was a fucking idiot in which case he should be court martialed, or the ROE allowed for shooting civilians in which case the Hague should get involved.
“Hey man, your house is a war zone now, you should leave”
“Cool, can I leave to a safe place?”
“Well no, we’ll shoot you as you’re leaving, bomb refugee camps, and prevent foreign aid from reaching you.”
“Cool cool, guess I’ll go fuck myself then.”
“Oh then I guess I’ll just won’t leave my home and wait for certain death to come to me”
Bro WHAT. How is it even the IDF’s responsibility to provide safe spaces in Gaza? Did Hamas provide “safe spaces” on 7/10? Did Hezbollah provide “safe spaces” before bombing houses? No one expects them to do anything before attacking, but everyone expects Israel to not only tell before an attack to evacuate, but to secure that evacuation place. That’s such hypocrisy.
My guy, my lad, my beautiful baby boy! One side is a terrorist organization, the other is (supposed to be) a government. No one sane has said that Israel cannot defend itself, or that the events of October weren’t anything but horrific. What we are saying is that indiscriminately killing civilians in mass is wrong, full stop. Israel is systematically targeting Palestinians, and I can think that is wrong at the same time as thinking Hamas needs to be stopped.
No weapons? Go with the designated guy to wait outside so we can search the rest of the house without having another heart attack.
Sincerely, an old combat veteran whose disgusted by this.
To be fair, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
1, Hamas is a political party, literally voted into power. Not all members would be militia.
B, Even if the man was of the militant arm, in full uniform and battle-rattle, killing a surrendered foe is murder and a war crime.
This coming from my experience as a Marine having acted in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, that were occupied by many civilians and combatants.
“hamas is a political party” is the same energy as “north korea is a political party” and “china is a political party”. No elections in 18 years isn’t something a working government does.
And it’s widely known that Hamas has no uniforms, and use civilian clothing when fighting. Heck, on 7/10 there were plenty who were IDF uniforms (I guess from fallen soldiers). Differentiating based on clothes is legit impossible.
And about surrendered foes, I completely agree. No reason if you know they’re of no harm. But again, based on what Israel tells us (I doubt it aswell, but idk) there were instances of people “surrendering” and then bombing themselves. Not a trustworthy source at all, but idk… It’s not that hard to believe it.
may someone ask of you one day what you’re asking of this old man today
Actually as the best friend of an Israeli evacuate from the north, which haven’t been in their house for over 8 months, I can say 100% that fleeing for your safety is something only idiots refuse to do.
Also fuck you for wishing that I’ll be displaced for having an opinion :)
War zone? All of Gaza is a war zone. Go to the safe zones? Where there is no water, food, or shelter. Oh and they’ll shot you and bomb you there too.
If you look up who is signed up to what part of the Geneva convention, I suspect you won’t be at all surprised to see various countries in the news right now and which bits they’re not signed up to.
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These IDF soldiers truly can’t help themselves from posting their war crimes on TikTok.
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Holy fucking shit that is despicable.
They brag about killing an unarmed man cowering under a bed.
Then they congratulate the killer.
Then they go back to shoot at the corpse.
What. The. Fucking. Hell.
And I can’t do anything about it except keep up some degree of internet activism, but that doesn’t really alleviate that feeling of needing to do something.
I hope that video gets around and ruins the life of this Lior named person who did the killing. As in I hope he faces some motherfucking consequences for this horrible stuff.
He required 4 rounds to end this fella’s life? The IDF is continuing to lose their touch, this many moons after Hizbollah drove them out of Lebanon