7 more Indians release video, say forced to fight Ukraine war by Russian army (indianexpress.com)
from LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz to world@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 2024 17:39
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Pistcow@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 18:33 next collapse

Hey, it was this or work the cruise ships…

someguy3@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 2024 19:18 next collapse

“We came to visit Russia as tourists for the New Year on December 27 and met an agent who helped us visit different places. He offered to take us to Belarus, but we were not aware we would need a visa for the country. We went to Belarus where we gave money to him, but he demanded more money. He abandoned us on a highway as we didn’t have the money to pay him,” one of the men can be heard saying in Hindi in the video.

“We were then caught by the police who handed us over to the Russian army.

nulluser@programming.dev on 06 Mar 2024 19:32 next collapse

We came to visit Russia as tourists

Boy, my sympathy went to 0 pretty damn fast. Might as well have said they went to Nazi Germany as tourists.

edit: grammar

agent_flounder@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 2024 20:06 next collapse

as well have*

Sorry, the power of pedantry compels me. Hope this is of help at least.

nulluser@programming.dev on 06 Mar 2024 20:10 collapse

Thank you. I knew it looked/sounded wrong.

DarthFrodo@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 2024 20:10 next collapse

I don’t know if media coverage and public awareness about the atrocities are high enough in India to make that judgement.

Moonrise2473@feddit.it on 06 Mar 2024 20:59 collapse

Russia sell oil cheap to India, so they are good?

loutr@sh.itjust.works on 07 Mar 2024 06:52 collapse

The argument is basically “they’ve never done anything to us, so we’re good”. But yeah the cheap stuff must help.

Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 2024 20:13 next collapse

…medium.com/why-does-india-love-hitler-so-much-4d…

Indians would certainly have gone to Nazi Germany for a holiday.

nulluser@programming.dev on 06 Mar 2024 20:24 next collapse

That’s utterly vile, especially considering that India fought against the Nazis during WWII. I can’t imagine being one of the soldiers that came back alive and seeing that shit in my own country.

Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 2024 20:29 next collapse

Don’t forget they fought against Nazi Germany because Britain owned them and forced them too.

Frankly I assume they’d have rather sat the whole thing out and as such I doubt they really cared all too much about a European conflict.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 22:24 collapse

It wasn’t just a European issue. They had a name for these types of issues

Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 2024 22:41 next collapse

The

Europe and European colonies plus Japan wanting to join in with European imperialism War?

Or

Europe and European colonies plus Japan wanting to do its own European imperialism after being stiffed last time War?

The world aspect was because Europe decided it owned the world, not because it was the worlds war.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 22:45 collapse

There was conflict on nearly every continent, I’m not saying who started it, just where it happened.

There were based operations in india related to fighting in China and Burma for example.

Frankly this article is an interesting overview. Lots going on

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_in_World_War_II#:~:….

Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 2024 22:50 collapse

During the Second World War (1939–1945), India was a part of the British Empire. British India officially declared war on Nazi Germany

Sure is a lot of Britain in there. Almost like India had no say in the matter🤔

How much of the world war was European colonial powers forcing natives of the lands they had invaded to fight their battles for them? Like I said it was a European war, just because every battlefield wasn’t in Europe doesn’t change that.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 22:55 next collapse

I didn’t speak to the colonial link to England. Keep reading, not all of India was unified on that decision, and the time period played a critical role towards independence.

Further, operations were based out of the country, regarding other theaters of war in Asia. Are you familiar with where India and Myanmar (then Burma) are located?

I get what your trying to do so I’ll head you off: colonialism is wrong, and India DID get dragged into the conflict. I’m not contesting that.

All I was highlighting is conflict occurred in the area, and India was involved in several different ways.

KevonLooney@lemm.ee on 07 Mar 2024 18:18 collapse

You’re forgetting the entire Pacific War, which had little to do with Europe. You’re forgetting Japan invading China and interrupting the civil war. You’re forgetting Japan invading every island in between them and New Guinea.

Your comment infantilizes local groups who used the war to settle local or regional rivalries. Colonial subjects were not idiots being used. They took up sides based on their goals and historical alliances.

el_bhm@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 22:42 collapse

Planet War

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 06 Mar 2024 22:45 collapse

Earf, v earf

assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 18:34 collapse

They’re rolling in their graves seeing how India dehumanizes and treats Muslims. It’s a slow rolling genocide that doesn’t get much attention.

sailingbythelee@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 2024 21:38 collapse

Not just India that’s into Nazi chic…

www.cnn.com/2016/12/27/asia/…/index.html

someguy3@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 2024 21:08 next collapse

There was a whole Olympics hosted by Nazi Germany.

GenEcon@lemm.ee on 07 Mar 2024 01:03 collapse

So Russia’s worse than Hitlers’s Germany?

emberwit@feddit.de on 08 Mar 2024 09:02 collapse

Putin’s Russia also hosted Olympics

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:36 collapse

You are a victim of propaganda, indoctrination, and tribalism.

evranch@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 2024 15:44 next collapse

Or maybe it’s just a bad idea to play tourist in countries that are engaged in active war

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:46 collapse

Weird how you just moved the goalposts from “Russia is a bad nation” to “it’s only bad because it’s in active war.”

You will never acknowledge how you’re a victim of propaganda, indoctrination, and tribalism.

evranch@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 2024 15:49 collapse

I’m not OP lol

To me this story is about idiots visiting a nation at war and ending up a part of it. Big surprise

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:50 collapse

Then why are you replying to me?

Make your own comments.

evranch@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 2024 15:54 next collapse

Lemmy is a discussion site my dude, replying to comments is what it’s for. If you don’t want replies, send a PM

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:57 collapse

Yes, but you’re replying to comments that have nothing to do with what you’re saying.

Just start your own chain instead of trying to hijack others.

evranch@lemmy.ca on 07 Mar 2024 16:01 collapse

you’re replying to comments that have nothing to do with what you’re saying

Makes irrelevant comments like “You are a victim of propaganda, indoctrination, and tribalism.”

Ok I’ll stop feeding the trolls now, have yourself a nice day

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 16:12 collapse

Not really.

You just don’t like what’s being said so you pretend not to understand it.

I see it all the time and don’t expect more from people like you.

CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 17:08 collapse

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jordanlund@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2024 03:12 collapse

Just stop with the Internet Slap Fight.

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jordanlund@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2024 03:12 collapse

Just stop with the Internet Slap Fight.

harderian729@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2024 08:43 collapse

Stop with the censorship.

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2024 08:45 collapse

You break the rules, you get removed. Simple. Read the sidebar, it’s there for a reason.

nac82@lemm.ee on 09 Mar 2024 17:05 collapse

Said the dude who posts video links and leaves uncivil slapfight responses when you are getting called out for spreading misinformation.

Moderate your own comments before moderating others.

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 09 Mar 2024 17:16 collapse

Video links are allowed in comments, they are not allowed as submissions.

You realize you’re arguing with one of the people who WROTE THE RULES, right?

CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 19:30 collapse

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nulluser@programming.dev on 07 Mar 2024 18:17 collapse

Got any links to news stories about tourists in Ukraine getting forced into fighting for them.

Take your time. I’ll wait.

Or how about Ukraine intentionally targeting missiles at apartment buildings and purely civilian infrastructure with no military value just to murder and terrorize people just trying to live their lives.

If there’s anyone here that’s a victim of propaganda and indoctrination, you’ll find them in the mirror.

harderian729@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2024 00:09 collapse

What does that have to do with anything?

Why are you so delusional to set up bullshit criteria and think you should be taken seriously by rational people?

Akasazh@feddit.nl on 07 Mar 2024 10:23 collapse

I mean even though the Russian state is utterly corrupt, this recruiting vector seems way to convoluted to be practical.

It might also be that they did volunteer, but made up this story in order to seem the victim.

extant@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 18:52 collapse

From another comment in here it sounds like someone scammed them into going to Belarus where they didn’t have authorization to be and were arrested as criminals and criminals can be conscripts.

Doesn’t seem like the Russian government is doing this intentionally as much as they’re looking the other way since it benefits them. I wouldn’t be surprised if the scammer gets a kickback from whomever in the police is benefiting from sending the army conscripts.

Treczoks@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:26 next collapse

Just keep advertising your position with your phones, and the Ukraine will take care of you (and your Russian hosts).

harderian729@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:35 next collapse

Ukraine really isn’t this unstoppable force you seem to make it out as.

Treczoks@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 2024 15:36 collapse

No, they are not unstoppable, but if someone turns themself into an easy target…

nac82@lemm.ee on 07 Mar 2024 16:01 collapse

Ukraine actively assists people looking to disband from the Russian military.

It’s a weird concept you’re floating. Who do you think wants to kill people who are essentially being used as meat shields by a fascist terrorist state?

MoonRaven@feddit.nl on 07 Mar 2024 16:35 collapse

It’s not the Ukraine, it’s Ukraine. It hasn’t been since it hasn’t been part of the USSR.

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 07 Mar 2024 17:04 collapse

And India still tries not to take a stance.