'Horrifying massacre': Israeli attack on Beit Lahiya kills at least 73 Palestinians (www.middleeasteye.net)
from Keeponstalin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 23:10
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An Israeli attack on Beit Lahiya, a town in northern Gaza, killed at least 73 Palestinians on Saturday evening, according to the enclave’s government media office.

More than 100 others were wounded and several people missing.

Israeli air strikes targeted a multi-floor building and damaged a number of nearby houses, medics in the Gaza Strip reported.

The government media office said that Israeli forces had bombed overcrowded residential areas in Beit Lahiya, adding that women and children were amongst the casualties.

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 23:11 next collapse
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Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 23:44 next collapse

Where is Netanyahu’s arrest warrant for fucks sake?

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 00:19 next collapse

Next to the peace deal and the stop order for arms shipments.

sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 02:03 collapse

take heart, Biden says he is very concerned. Harris too. Any day now he’s going to stop the shipments and start poking netenyahu forcefully in the chest, screaming in his face, making threats.

/s. I’m just messing with you.

DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online on 20 Oct 00:47 next collapse

Doesn’t he literally have one from the ICC? And the US Govt sanctioned the ICC over it rather than help enforce it?

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 20 Oct 01:17 next collapse

Does he? I think they're still doing procedures or some shit.

DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online on 20 Oct 02:08 collapse

Holy crap, you’re right

However the request for the warrants must yet be approved by ICC judges.

They really need to speed things up…

Plus that means the US sanctioned the ICC for just requesting an arrest warrant

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 20 Oct 02:12 collapse

Plus that means the US sanctioned the ICC for just requesting an arrest warrant

Exactly. To be precise they sanctioned the prosecutor who requested the warrant IIRC.

Saleh@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:19 collapse

They opened the process up for “comments and objections”. Israels allies like Germany flooded the court with “comments and objections” that have to be worked through, before deciding on the warrant.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 20 Oct 17:22 next collapse

I don’t think Germans should be able to play the “hey listen to us we’re genocide experts” card at the UN.

Its super antisemitic of them to shout over the voices of Jews crying “never again” as they witness the genocide in Palestine unfold.

Saleh@feddit.org on 20 Oct 18:00 collapse

At the ICC it is not about genocide though. It is about specific war crimes. The “objection” by Germany was also not about qualifying what happened, but something procedural along the lines of saying there shouldn’t be a prosecution while there still is war. Which of course is equally absurd.

Walteracc@lemmynsfw.com on 20 Oct 21:40 collapse

Germany once again is on the wrong side of history. There’s something rotten in the water in the Rhine.

zqps@sh.itjust.works on 22 Oct 00:31 collapse

It’s actually conservatism and classic white supremacy, but the sentiment is appreciated.

16 years of Merkel really had us fooled about the fact that her party would be almost begging to jump on the far-right populist train and cut the brakes under today’s leadership.

SulaymanF@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:16 collapse

Biden blocked it and told us it would interfere with his ceasefire deal that was just days away. But that was months ago and turns out to have been another lie.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 00:27 collapse

Mango Mussolini said President Biden was too easy on Israel.

cyborganism@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 00:23 next collapse

I’ve lost faith at this point.

Canada’s Prime Minister just posted something about the October 7th incident like it’s the most horrible thing to happen in the Middle East, when there’s a literal Holocaust happening in all of Palestine.

It’s fucking tone deaf.

But he’s got the anti defamation league and B’nai B’rith breathing down his neck at the same time. So it doesn’t matter what we do or say or how much we write to them or protest, they still won’t fucking listen.

And somehow, the conservatives are high in the polls for the next election somehow.

It make zero sense.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 01:53 next collapse

Damn, Canadian politics sounds pretty bad too right now. Seems like Fascism is rising everywhere in the Western countries

ceasefirenow.ca

Every action helps, the more public pressure the better

For my fellow Americans:

www.ceasefirenow.org

ceasefiretoday.com

uscpr.org/take-action/

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 07:56 next collapse

It makes a bit more sense when you remember countries like Canada, the UK and Germany are on America’s leash.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 00:26 next collapse

WTF do you want us Germans to do? Read the Einstein-Ardent letter from 1948 to the New York Times, good old Albert hit the nail on the head and I fully agree with him.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 19:01 collapse

Which is in turn on Netanyahu’s leash.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 20 Oct 17:20 collapse

I don’t think its a good idea to compare it to the holocaust.

Genocide takes many different forms. Its still a genocide even if the people aren’t being exterminated by toxic gas and their remains burned in ovens.

Gaza is still a concentration camp even if they’re not wearing prison clothes and forced to work for the Israeli State.

Genocides take many different forms, but if you call this a Holocaust then you’re just falling into a Hasbara trap that’s very easy to prove you wrong.

Call it a genocide, not a Holocaust.

cyborganism@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 23:19 next collapse

They’ve been systematically eliminating Gazans at this point. Concentrating them in camps and them bombing the camps. Setting fire to them with incendiary bombs. They’ve had snipers shoot children. They’ve been systematically and indiscriminately killing everyone. They’ve almost wiped out the entire population of Gaza.

What makes that different from a Holocaust?

According to History.com:

The Holocaust was the state-sponsored persecution and mass murder of millions of European Jews, Romani people, the intellectually disabled, political dissidents and homosexuals by the German Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945. The word “holocaust,” from the Greek words “holos” (whole) and “kaustos” (burned), was historically used to describe a sacrificial offering burned on an altar.

After years of Nazi rule in Germany, dictator Adolf Hitler’s “Final Solution”—now known as the Holocaust—came to fruition during World War II, with mass killing centers in concentration camps. About six million Jews and some five million others, targeted for racial, political, ideological and behavioral reasons, died in the Holocaust—more than one million of those who perished were children.

What’s happening right now is no different from that. Anyone that’s Arab in the region has faced state-sponsered persecution and mass murder. Israel is burning everything down from Gaza to the West Bank to Lebanon and it’ll keep going beyond those borders into Syria and even Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

That’s their “final solution”. It’s to kill everyone in those region or get rid of them one way or another. They’re experimenting how far they can push the limits of their international support.

If you think I’m wrong, I’d like to hear your arguments.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 20 Oct 23:39 collapse

What you’re describing is a genocide. Its a genocide that’s very different from the holocaust.

cyborganism@lemmy.ca on 21 Oct 00:37 collapse

I’m asking you to explain to me what is so different from what is happening in Gaza to a Holocaust.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 05:32 collapse

As I said above, they’re not wearing the same clothing made of black and white stripes. They’re not doing slave labor. They’re not being gassed with the same chemicals. They’re not being burned in ovens.

Its a genocide with different mechanisms of extermination. The 2013 Gaza Genocide is very different from the Rwandan Genocide, just as the 2013 Gaza Genocide is very different from the Holocaust.

Naryn@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 07:15 collapse

Gaza is still a concentration camp even if they’re not wearing prison clothes and forced to work for the Israeli State.

It’s not a concentration camp, it’s a hostile foreign territory that carries on launching hundreds of rockets into Israel.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 22 Oct 14:35 collapse

Gaza has a right to defend itself

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 01:54 next collapse

‘Horrifying massacre’: Iranian attack on Jerusalem kills at least 73 Israelis

… funny how this headline draws more attention than the real one

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 02:32 next collapse

Yeah because there’s a lot of ghouls that celebrate the deaths of Israelis. There would be people dancing in the streets celebrating the deaths of Israeli civilians.

When Palestinians die it’s a sad consequence of a war that rational people hope will end soon. And that’s dependent on what’s left of Hamas releasing hostages, which only they can choose to do.

But sure, keep on believing you’re on the right side of things.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 02:36 next collapse

Ghouls like those chanting “Māwet lā-Arāvīm”?

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 02:44 next collapse

Never said I support one side or the other … I think they’re all religious nuts

What I do find repugnant is the death of any human for completely stupid reasons, especially if the deaths are caused by other humans.

I don’t support religions or religious ideology … but I do respect all human life regardless of who believes in what.

This a completely stupid situation because no deaths should be taking place on any side and the world should just step in as the global referee, get these people to stop, sit down, negotiate and figure out a solution that doesn’t involve having to kill one side or the other. If we’re going to spend billions and trillions on bombs and guns for this problem … then we can invest in peaceful solutions rather than in trying to dance our way to nuclear war and killing far more people than those in the Middle East.

Saleh@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:15 collapse

middleeastmonitor.com/20180409-israelis-watch-out…

nytimes.com/…/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-f…

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 22:37 collapse

Did you spend a lot of time googling up some links from 10 years ago?

Meanwhile… duckduckgo.com/?q=palestinians+celebrating

Zero effort to find some good old fascist violent fervor on full display in the society Hamas created. And now Gaza looks a lot like how cities in Germany looked in 1945. Only question now is whether Palestinians can move past the politics of hate like Germans did.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 20 Oct 17:24 collapse

Were they civilians?

sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 02:00 next collapse

Israeli murder of civlians is so normalized that its hardly even making the news anymore.

BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 22:47 next collapse

It’s hard for me to even track when it’s an article with more details about a previous massacre versus a report of a new massacre. Israel attacks civilians with such frequency that there’s a new slaughter even as the previous one is just being fully reported.

rsuri@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 23:24 collapse

Part of the problem is that the images suck. Honestly. Here we see a bunch of body bags, we know literally nothing about who’s in them. But on Oct. 7 there were lots of images and video of what happened, with people’s faces visible.

The most effective thing that could be done to support Palestinians, infinitely more effective than spray painting neighborhoods and camping in public spaces, would be to give them cameras and a means of releasing video. As long as it’s just numbers, no one will care.

sheogorath@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 23:41 next collapse

The thing is. There’s been loads of first hand evidence about the victims. You know the person who got burned in the hospital with IVs still attached to his hand? His name is Shaban al-Dalou. He’s a 19 year old aspiring software engineer who never got to finish his studies and work as an engineer because he was murdered.

There’s a lot of stories like this, if you just want to look. The western media fucking surpresses this stories because they don’t want us to humanize the Palestinians.

EFrances@lemmy.eco.br on 21 Oct 00:10 next collapse

see War Made Invisible: How America Hides the Human Toll of Its Military Machine by Norman Solomon

www.chevaliersbooks.com/book/9781620979167

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 09:17 collapse
leftytighty@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 23:54 next collapse

spoken out of ignorance, they’re broadcasting and Israel is killing the ones that are.

Naryn@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 07:14 collapse

Here we see a bunch of body bags, we know literally nothing about who’s in them

Because showing 73 military soldiers dead isn’t going to inspire sympathy from idiots in the west and get Hamas propaganda pieces written.

Moonrise2473@feddit.it on 20 Oct 05:22 next collapse

They want to see if they can accidentally kill some Hamas leaders like last time

SeattleRain@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 22:54 next collapse

When capitalists develop the Gaza strip their sacrifice shall not be forgotten, just like in the US and Native Americans.

cyborganism@lemmy.ca on 21 Oct 18:24 collapse

Yeah but can we try to stop it before that happens?

Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 01:16 collapse

Israel should be abandoned by the U.S. entirely at this point. There is no reason to continue any type of relationship with these genocidal shitbags.