Germans bitterly divided over proposal to restrict cars in Berlin (www.nytimes.com)
from Valuy@lemmy.zip to world@lemmy.world on 27 May 07:38
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9point6@lemmy.world on 27 May 08:40 collapse

Berlin has great public transport, and it’s not bad for a pedestrian either. I think the cycling infrastructure could use a bit of work from the bits I’ve seen, and there are way too many cars.

I’m assuming the people complaining about this proposal are the same people who complain about similar ones in cities around the world: people who don’t fucking live in the city anyway.

MrMakabar@slrpnk.net on 27 May 09:39 next collapse

Berlin has a lot of low density single family housing in the outer areas of the city. They often have some multi family mixed in and do have good public transport connections, however it is still a large pro car voting block.

And of cause being the capital of Germany a lot of things are reported nationwide.

Zahtu@feddit.org on 27 May 11:02 collapse

yeah, but that was not what the proposal would have restricted - the proposal only was for the inner berlin city to be restricted on cars movement. Those outer areas would not have been affected. the only inconvenience would have been for them to park their cars at the nearest/best connection to the inner city and continue by public transport (which is faster than going by car). the parking lots and infrastructure for that already exists, but is not used nowadays.

MrMakabar@slrpnk.net on 27 May 12:35 collapse

Having a massive car free zone is a huge obstacle and forces them to take public transit to the city centre. That is of cause part of the plan, but when you are from outside the ring, it is going to increase travel times. Just to be clear I support the idea, but this is a case of not being able to make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Also the proposal is not going to happen anyway. Right now it would be about smaller changes, like removing parking and closing some streets, rather then a massive part of the city.

eggJuggler@piefed.social on 27 May 11:50 collapse

I live in Berlin. I don’t own a car. I can tell you public transport is not great

9point6@lemmy.world on 27 May 14:10 collapse

I’d be interested to know what you perceive as being not great

I’ve been to Berlin about ten times or so over the past couple of decades and it’s always struck me as being a pretty extensive and easy to use system, though as an outsider I guess the parts of the network I use might differ a bit from those that a local would