France's Macron urges calm after far-right activist fatally beaten
(www.lemonde.fr)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 11:54
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 11:54
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French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, February 14, urged calm and restraint after the fatal beating of a 23-year-old French youth aligned with the far-right on the sidelines of a conference by a hard-left lawmaker in the southeastern city of Lyon.
The death of the young man – identified only as Quentin – has intensified tensions between France’s far-right and radical left who are both eyeing 2027 presidential elections.
He had been hospitalized in Lyon on Thursday after being attacked while providing what his supporters said was security for a protest against an appearance by hard-left MEP Rima Hassan at the Lyon branch of the Sciences Po university.
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rot in hell you nazi fuck.
Nazi lives don’t matter!
They really really don’t… at all.
Yeah great, let’s be the flip side of the coin instead of a force for betterment in the world. Let’s kill 23 year olds that barely have lived or learned at all and totally will never change in their lives.
He was providing “secutity” to far right agitators, i.e he was the french equivilant of a proud boy or neo nazi. He likely started the fight that killed him. Should those leftists let him beat them to death instead?
Id save your recriminations for better souls. Nazis like him want you dead, and would kill millions of others if they could. When you expouse mass death, the ignorance of youth is no shield.
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, the Balkans, and the Baltics all got to experience the joys of having the Nazis turfed out by opponents on the far left.
Uh oh, Suzerain coming to reality
Since when did European media start using Trumps term ‘radical-left’ ?
There is no such thing, this is pure framing by the alt-right!
Trump calls everyone from AOC to Angela Merkel radical leftists.
France has been doing that for LFI for a few years, with Macron pushing Le Pen. Right wing media (most of them) have religiously followed suit, calling them radicals and extremists.
I despise Trump’s propaganda as much as anyone here, but LFI (the party of the mentioned lawmaker) call themselves “radical left”.
We shouldn’t let Trump turn this expression into an insult.
There damn well IS a such thing, I'm a radical leftist anarchist specifically. But you're right in that regular liberals like AOC are not. "Radical" just means outside of mainstream political thought.
This is why leftists will never be a meaningful political bloc.
DSA, while not as left or “radical” as some on here, are already a political bloc in the US having meaningful impact. I support and celebrate their achievements even if I want more.
So… You’re wrong.
I don’t think I am wrong.
Leftists infighting about who is actually left enough is damaging to the movement.
It is growing pains. This is the necessary hashing out of common thought among any political movement. There is much upset and confusion right now and people are examining the world through different eyes. People are shedding their pre-existing worldviews. So obviously there will be infighting and bickering, as our thoughts settle and coalesce.
The broad statistical categorization of Dems and Repubs that you give doesn’t express the fact that there are smaller groups within those categories who are disagreeing with each other much the same as leftists do here. (e.g. “RINOs”, “never-Trumpers”, the “Tea Party” of recent history) A lot of their internal struggle is kept secret, as they already have fully-fledged parties with the resources and structure to herd their members on common lines. It’s not appropriate to compare open-format discussion online to the outward messaging of fully-realized parties.
As I understand, there are DSA members who are within that “Democrat” label as well who are using the reach of that party to further spread leftist messages. The statistics you list has no bearing on the fact that “leftist” ideas are spreading more rapidly in the US and people are thirsty for change. The current statistics don’t say anything of the future.
When Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam and eventually liberated that country from capitalism, it was just him and a handful of others starting out. Different circumstances of course, but the point is things can change rapidly. Demographic statistics are irrelevant to that.
There is still much work to do. Capitalism will end one day - even if outside our lifetimes. No one now can predict how that will turn out, but it will end just as feudalism did when the conditions of the world changed.
One DSA member for every eight hundred Democrats and republicans says a lot actually.
And years ago, there we people saying the same as you about the political parties that we struggle to remember now. I won’t lose hope, but you’re entitled to your speculation.
Socialism is a hundred year old political theory and that’s all the buy-in it’s gotten in that time.
Three countries off the top of my head are socialist. Actually I can think of a couple more, so yeah we’ve got a pretty good start. You can look into it yourself if you have any questions, I don’t feel you’re here to discuss in good faith. So, have a nice day.
Three out of a hundred and ninety five?
So that’s about 1.5% of the world?
That’s better than the 0.125% of DSA members vs democrats and republicans.
Sorry I’m not in the socialist circle jerk but if you retreat to your echo chamber you can dodge reality for a while longer.
Like I said, as I was typing I thought of more. Three was just the immediate number I thought of.
Yes 3 / 195 is indeed 1.5%. That number adds nothing of essence to determine what percent of the world population is leftist in their politics. Countries do not have consistent landmass or population, and within even socialist countries not all people are left in their political ideology.
Look you’re clearly not a leftist and you’re here to just troll, so why comment on “leftist infighting” at all? I address this in my previous comment but you just ignored it. So again, have a nice day.
I’m a leftist but I’m also a realist so I’m a liberal.
I used to be a lot further left but the more time I spend on this site the more I realize it’s a hopeless political position with the gatekeeping and infighting so the more I become liberal.
The term alt-right is problematic too. I think you meant neo-nazis or just nazis
He calls biden and kamala radical left, it’s a meaningless term like anti semite, no accusation can be taken at face value.
Spaniard here: Podemos, a prominent leftist party that appeared in the 2010s as third political force, was categorized as radical since its inception by mainstream media. The party has almost disappeared now, mainly due to a plot by the state police and private media in which the police fabricated false investigations of funding by Venezuela and Iran (wonder why these two are always used as dogwhistles) and leaked them to the media to make a huge campaign of lawfare and manufacturing of public mistrust.
Fucker Macron allied himself with the RN multiple time and know he’s shocked when the country know for its manifestation is protecting itself. What wanker
His supporters say he was providing “security” - we all know the far-right lie 100% of the time, so he probably started a fight and lost his life.
Providing security in the way that Hitler’s people did in the early 30’s.
By showing up in numbers, starting fights, and then claiming to be defending themselves. A tried-and-true Nazi propaganda tactic, and I’m glad the French aren’t standing for it.
Far right meaning Nazi in this case?
I won’t cry any tears for dead Nazis.
France right now is like a powder keg
This far-right activist was beaten by a street group calling themselves the Young Guards (“Le Jeune Gardes”). What makes this case dangerous is that Raphael Arnault, leader of Young Guards, is also a famous French MP.
He is part of a left-wing party calling themselves the France Rebellion (“France Insoumise”).
Raphael Arnault has been involved in street fights with Young Guards against Lepen supporters. He was even sentenced to jail by a judge. However, his political party always defended him, despite his criminal conviction.
Now, the France Rebellion party is getting blamed for this death. And they are facing massive calls for physical retribution.
Things could really get out of control.
Let’s hope that cool heads prevail.
For the sake of accuracy, as i think the translation “France rebellion” makes it sound more ominous, i believe something closer to the meaning would be like “indomitable France”.
I don’t think we should be beating or killing people for their political beliefs.
Most workers on the right are angry and confused. They have bought into distractions put there by our rulers, and we should be going after the source of the problem rather than the symptoms.
Their “political beliefs” are inherently violent and actively seek to oppress and cause harm to those they deem as “lesser”. Don’t try to downplay this with silvery words.
It doesn’t matter if they are angry and confused when they are actively creating a hostile environment for those they victimize. We first must protect our communities. So, they have two options: stop spouting their bullshit so we can ensure the safety and comfort of our community or be stopped by any means necessary. If they end up dead then they made their choice to die on the hill of supporting oppression.
We should be going after the root cause, yes, but first we must build our communities so that we can have the foundation to do so and we cannot accomplish that while we have fascist supporters actively breaking that community down by spreading their hatred.
Ahh, so you’re trying to stop violence with a “preemptive” strike? It’s better to kill them now so they don’t kill others later?
Kind of ironic, don’t you think?
If you don’t remove all of the cancer and rot, it will continue to fester and grow until it kills the host.
So you think it makes more sense to target the symptom rather than the cause?
You’re not just advocating for this because it’s easier and more convenient than going after the source?
Fuck your false dichotomy bullshit.
You can treat the symptoms while working to cure the cause. The two are not mutually exclusive. Each has merit and doing both simultaneously has compounding benefits.
The last time fascism rose globally 70 million people died. Fascism is a cancer that needs to be cut out and destroyed or it will multiply and destroy everything and everyone in its path. It’s global cancer
What a blatant interpretation of what I said.
It isn’t preemptive. It is direct, self defense against it. They start it by engaging in inherently violent rhetoric. We then tell them to stop spouting their oppressive bullshit. If they don’t, they will be made to stop to defend the community against them and protect those who they are attempting to marginalize.
If you cannot understand this simple explanation, then you cannot be helped or are clearly arguing in bad faith.
I love when the nazi lovers out themselves.
The voting and response to your reasonable comments are what disappoint me most about the Fediverse. These people aren't against violence out of principle. They're against violence directed at their people.
There have been multiple times I've had to point out in politics and news communities the irony of people on the left literally dehumanizing their opponents. Apparently, people perceived as Nazi sympathizers don't deserve trials, because they're not even really people. We shouldn't tolerate the intolerant, but that's not not the same as not giving them due process. Even the literal Nazis got trials.
We know what happens when ideological extremists take power. They kill off their opponents to preserve doing things the "right" way. That happens whether they started out believing in their racial superiority or believing the workers need to rise above their oppressors. Eventually, they turn their nations into totalitarian hellholes so the "bad" guys don't return to power. I guess we should just start shooting Commies and Nazis dead in the streets so that doesn't happen. Also, the "centrists" who aren't Commies or Nazis should die because they aren't sufficiently against Commies or Nazis depending on your frame or reference.
What is preemptive about people fighting back against their active oppressors?
Where do you draw the line of acceptable self-defense? Or are you just one of those “AlL viOlEnCE iS bAD nO mATteR tHe cONteXT!” idiots?
The average layperson doesnt deserve death, the people running security deserve a beating. People running operations for Nazis should be scared for their lives.
We’re experiencing a wave of racist attacks and murders and the only thing they talk about is the attack where a fascist was killed.
We don’t even know exactly what happened yet, most of the noise is coming from Nemesis another fascist “feminist” group.
Coincidentally, our biggest leftist party was unilaterally labelled “far left” by our ministry of the interior a few days ago. (Le monde used hard left in the article, legally they are a generic leftist party)
Coincidentally also, mayoral elections are in about 4 weeks, with an uptick from said party.
Nothing to see here, France is definitely not sliding towards trumpism and fascism at a blinding speed.
.worldshadowbanned meDoes Lemmy even have shadowbans?
Before sending fake news like that, please favt check what you are posting!
Nothing of value was lost
“Chill out, everybody calm down. Its was just a nazi, the fucker got what was coming to him.”
The French have a proud tradition to maintain.
You go Frenchies that is based.
Why is it called “far-right” and then “radical left”