autotldr@lemmings.world
on 20 Sep 2023 18:55
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — El Salvador President Nayib Bukele trumpeted the success of his gang crackdown during his speech at the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, crediting his administration’s will against international criticism over human rights violations.
Bukele said that if El Salvador had listened to external critics — including some at the United Nations — the tiny Central American country would again be the murder capital of the world.
More than 72,000 people have been arrested under a state of emergency Bukele requested in March 2022 after a surge in gang violence.
The special powers that Congress granted Bukele suspended some fundamental rights such as access to a lawyer and being told the reason for one’s arrest.
They will likely be the centerpiece of his campaign for re-election next year, something prohibited by El Salvador’s constitution but allowed by court justices selected by his supporters in the Legislative Assembly.
El Salvador’s newfound security has drawn more international visitors and is beginning to attract Salvadorans who moved away long ago to escape the violence, he said.
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Tedesche@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 19:15
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While the concerns over some of the policies enacted by this government are legitimate, I think one has to acknowledge that they have been effective at combating the gangs, which had largely held the entire nation and its government hostage through terrorism. My question is: what should that government have done instead? If the humanitarian critics want to be taken seriously, we have to be able to suggest plans and policies that will achieve the same or similar ends without the drawbacks of rolling back fundamental human rights. The people of El Salvador were in a desperate situation and so elected a president who took desperate measures. If we want to prevent those desperate measures from gaining popular support, liberal politicians need to provide effective solutions for these desperate problems that work without the need of said desperate measures.
I live in Nicaragua (I'm American) and can say that while yes he does have his critics in Central America, he's overwhelmingly supported in El Salvador and the people are actually safe, which is not normal for the last several decades.
Sometimes extreme measures are needed. It's like he said when this started, (paraphrasing) "Where were all these countries when we needed help. Where was their training, money, equipment, etc.? Our people are dying and we've had enough! So the world ignored us before and now they want to criticize us. We don't care."
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 21:37
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I’m from El Salvador and I’m looking forward to those anti gang laws to be used against regular people in the future. Cause they will be. Just like when political opponents and people who were a bit too red started being vanished during the civil war
Tangent5280@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 05:24
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You’re looking forward to human rights violations committed by your gouvernment against your people?
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 06:03
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I hoped the /s was obvious. I hate that they had to do it, because it will bite them in the ass for sure. So will this president who gambles on crypto and who is pro Putin.
I was wondering about this because I understood (perhaps incorrectly) that these powers only exist during the state of emergency. Once it's declared over, it's no longer possible?
Of course you're right, there is already overreaching happening. Since you live there, let me ask you, how do you feel safety wise?
For instance here in Nicaragua, it's extremely safe. Violence is basically non-existent (especially coming from Los Angeles where violence is rampant). But of course the government is what it is. So is the trade off worth it?
cooljacob204@kbin.social
on 20 Sep 2023 21:49
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I won't criticize them for taking much of the steps they did. However I hope that as things are stabilizing that the rights which were stripped away to achieve this will eventually be restored.
Tedesche@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 13:24
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As do I.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world
on 20 Sep 2023 19:28
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I can’t say it was a great plan from a civil rights standpoint. But from what has been reported, it seems to have helped significantly and it’s wildly popular. They can’t be locked up forever though and I wonder what will be done to make them actual productive members of society.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — El Salvador President Nayib Bukele trumpeted the success of his gang crackdown during his speech at the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, crediting his administration’s will against international criticism over human rights violations.
Bukele said that if El Salvador had listened to external critics — including some at the United Nations — the tiny Central American country would again be the murder capital of the world.
More than 72,000 people have been arrested under a state of emergency Bukele requested in March 2022 after a surge in gang violence.
The special powers that Congress granted Bukele suspended some fundamental rights such as access to a lawyer and being told the reason for one’s arrest.
They will likely be the centerpiece of his campaign for re-election next year, something prohibited by El Salvador’s constitution but allowed by court justices selected by his supporters in the Legislative Assembly.
El Salvador’s newfound security has drawn more international visitors and is beginning to attract Salvadorans who moved away long ago to escape the violence, he said.
The original article contains 476 words, the summary contains 176 words. Saved 63%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
While the concerns over some of the policies enacted by this government are legitimate, I think one has to acknowledge that they have been effective at combating the gangs, which had largely held the entire nation and its government hostage through terrorism. My question is: what should that government have done instead? If the humanitarian critics want to be taken seriously, we have to be able to suggest plans and policies that will achieve the same or similar ends without the drawbacks of rolling back fundamental human rights. The people of El Salvador were in a desperate situation and so elected a president who took desperate measures. If we want to prevent those desperate measures from gaining popular support, liberal politicians need to provide effective solutions for these desperate problems that work without the need of said desperate measures.
I live in Nicaragua (I'm American) and can say that while yes he does have his critics in Central America, he's overwhelmingly supported in El Salvador and the people are actually safe, which is not normal for the last several decades.
Sometimes extreme measures are needed. It's like he said when this started, (paraphrasing) "Where were all these countries when we needed help. Where was their training, money, equipment, etc.? Our people are dying and we've had enough! So the world ignored us before and now they want to criticize us. We don't care."
I’m from El Salvador and I’m looking forward to those anti gang laws to be used against regular people in the future. Cause they will be. Just like when political opponents and people who were a bit too red started being vanished during the civil war
You’re looking forward to human rights violations committed by your gouvernment against your people?
I hoped the /s was obvious. I hate that they had to do it, because it will bite them in the ass for sure. So will this president who gambles on crypto and who is pro Putin.
I caught the /s.
I was wondering about this because I understood (perhaps incorrectly) that these powers only exist during the state of emergency. Once it's declared over, it's no longer possible?
Of course you're right, there is already overreaching happening. Since you live there, let me ask you, how do you feel safety wise?
For instance here in Nicaragua, it's extremely safe. Violence is basically non-existent (especially coming from Los Angeles where violence is rampant). But of course the government is what it is. So is the trade off worth it?
I won't criticize them for taking much of the steps they did. However I hope that as things are stabilizing that the rights which were stripped away to achieve this will eventually be restored.
As do I.
I think this is a well-rounded review of the situation: How the World’s Most Dangerous Country Solved Murder by Wendover Productions
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UN moment.
He gets praised by his country for finally dealing with this issue for real.
I can’t say it was a great plan from a civil rights standpoint. But from what has been reported, it seems to have helped significantly and it’s wildly popular. They can’t be locked up forever though and I wonder what will be done to make them actual productive members of society.