Woman died after vegan diet made her delusional
(www.bbc.com)
from Wudi@feddit.uk to world@lemmy.world on 30 May 18:28
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from Wudi@feddit.uk to world@lemmy.world on 30 May 18:28
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Going vegan is quite a bit more involved than going vegetarian.
When eating vegetarian you can mostly kind of wing it and generally get all the nutrients you need. But when going vegan you really should make sure you know what you need to consume in order to be healthy.
Since B12 is only found in animal products, you are probably going to have to take a supplement.
B12 is not only found in animal products.
Nooch (nutritional yeast) has tons and also an awesome cheesy-nutty flavor that compliments lots of foods.
I stand corrected.
But my point was more that you need to make sure that your diet includes a source that gives you sufficient B12, which is not quite as obvious on how to get that with a vegan diet compared to a vegetarian one.
Apparently Vegemite also contains B12. But it’s also high is salt, which makes it not ideal.
Oh for sure.
I would argue that anybody could find themselves deficient of various nutrients. Not exclusively a vegan thing…but B12 is definitely difficult to get from vegan sources. Omega 3s, as well.
There’s also the question of how strict a vegan is. A very strict vegan wouldn’t drink most wines (due to isinglass, gelatin, egg whites used in processing), eat most mass-produced bread (diglycerides), or many sweets that contain confectioners glaze (shellac) and refuse many medications (gelatin, at the very least).
Likely such a person would also avoid otherwise non-animal foods fortified with b12, because it’s uncertain where that b12 came from.
But, at the same time, vegans are also typically more aware of what they are eating and what they need to supplement. Vegans have a lot of community. At least around here. And community means awareness.
omega 3s are hard to get in general if your not eating seafood or taking fish supplements. Im not sure vegan matters all that much because once you take away seafood plant sources become your best options.
Nooch provides 2.2mcg of B12 per serving (5g), according to the jar in my hand. So just make sure you’re eating about 6g a day and you’re good enough on B12 (recommended 2.5mcg/day). So a bit more than a tablespoon of nooch is enough to get your B12 for the day, and you can split it over all your meals/snacks.
It’s an almost certain deficiency among Vegans, if they don’t account for it.
Only if fortified. Otherwise it has very little or none.
www.healthline.com/nutrition/nutritional-yeast#nu…
injecting an animal with B12 and then eating that animal's flesh is still taking a supplement. I'll take the little multivitamin every few days, personally.
edit: wow some downvotes from people who had no clue
All store bought vegan milk drinks have B12 in my country, along with many other vegan products. I winged it but you still gotta check your levels to make sure, but that’s something everyone should always do.
Killed herself is a little different from “died”.
But what they are burying here is B-12 deficiency is not limited to vegans. Anyone can have it.
“Gray said Owen “reported to her family that she had bought an organic B12 supplement from Canada” and would take a daily dosage of 1mg.”
Yeah, not enough. My doc has me taking 2,500mcg or 2.5mg.
2500 ugr (micrograms)
μg
2500000ng
Right. My bad.
My keyboard doesn’t have the mu sign.
Any sudden change in diet can have this effect, I think schools do pretty bad job of teaching kids about actual health.
Anyway if you go vegan eat marmite.
First five words of that last sentence are totally unnecessary
How many jars should I eat per day?
42
The answer to everything, at least everything was part of the question.
is this the same lady who stopped taking her B supplement?
I wouldn’t call 10 years sudden.
She died 2019 so 3 years. Still, not sudden.
Wow 3 years to be so seriously affected by B12 deficiency!? That was quick?
I don’t think that’s normal. B12 is essential, but I would have thought the detrimental effects would take longer to reach that level.
Fun fact: Vegemite was sent to Australian POWs in Japanese camps to combat B vitamin deficiencies. The guards dismissed it as shoe polish.
Also, either can be used in small quantities to make gravies taste better. Makes mushroom gravy taste extra umami.
Instructions unclear, I made gravy with shoe polish.
Which shoe polish goes good with American biscuits and gravy?
What does Marmite taste like?
Salty yeast like Vegemite. Add some butter and it’s all delicious!
Source: I’m American and never had marmite. I stand by what I said about vegemite.
Vegans + Butter? 🤔
There are vegan butter alternatives…
Usual BBC slant on anything vegan. They are consistently doing their best to make avoiding animal products seem dangerous.
Nooch FTW. B12’s important for vegans to consider, but a vegan diet doesn’t make a person “delusional”… B12 deficiency does.
It feels irresponsible to use that headline and not mention that most vegans don’t go insane. Because some people actually do seem to think compassion diets kill you, despite the obvious empirical evidence to the contrary.
Is “delusional” some dumb new way of saying “delulu” or somn?
Sad to see this play out again. Lots of people are deficient in B12 and various other essential nutrients. The worst part from my perspective is obviously the loss of life, but the second worst is how easy this is to fix. I am by no means a vegan, I definitely eat my fair share of meat and eggs, but B12 deficiency is easy enough to get, especially if you eat a lot of processed foods or have a mono diet, eating the same thing every day.
For B12 I would recommend nutritional yeast. It gives a cheesy sort of flavour and can be added to foods like beans, refried beans, ragu/bolognaise, various pasta dishes, the list goes on. A fairly small amount packs a lot of B vitamins and you can have quite a bit without any issue. It also keeps very well, just requiring an airtight container and maybe a dessicant packet for longer term storage.
If you take some tapioca starch and add it to water then slowly reduce it you can make a really nice cheese sauce substitute, very similar to Mac and cheese. Nutritional yeast adds the full flavour and colour, making it actually tasty.
I have never met a healthy vegan…and i live on the west coast and have met lots of vegans.
Occasionally they would come in the restaurant I worked at looking all pale and ordering a bowl of leaves. No honey-mustard salad dressing for them :(.
B12 is supplemented to the animals so in reality these are also fortified foods.
A vegan diet is a bit unnatural. And thus requires attention and education in nutrition and gut microbes and such.
You can get pretty sick if you aren’t doing it right.
A lot of people wanting to jump into vegan and even vegetarian don’t take the time to learn that there are some foods you absolutely need in order to counter the loss from animal products.
Also I’ve had friends get sick as vegans from issues with gut microbes imbalance and it was fixed by dairy (yogurt). So they just went vegetarian and bought dairy from more ethical sources.
Posh girl kills herself, family and courts read her personal diaries in order to blame veganism.