Trump’s war in Iran diverted weapons away from Ukraine (which were already bought and paid for by Europe), to be used in Iran. It also increased the global price of oil and gas, which benefits Russia because they can now sell their oil at that higher price.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 10 Apr 07:25
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it appears that russia can now make thier own shahed drones now, and been giving iran some.
Trump could absolutely stop it, if he wanted to. Just send a few hundred tomahawk missiles as military aid to Ukraine. Then tell Russia that if Russia does not stop, the US will send more.
And remember that the US, is way, way more militarily powerful than Russia. The US has tons of spare military capacity, unlike Russia. Russia would lose an escalation war, and Russia knows it.
Ukraine literally has a land border with the EU, where the US has large equipment stockpiles and perfect logistics. Logistically it is likely much easier for the US to send stuff to Ukraine.
I have seen this topic before and I don’t understand what the importance of the issue is. Isn’t the USA sharing intelligence with Ukraine? I suppose that Russia sharing information with Iran is what is expected in the situation and what could anyone do to prevent it?
I still don’t understand the importance, what change in strategy should the United States make knowing this? does they need to confirm it? Because for me it is obvious that Russia shares information with Iran, it was obvious that it was going to happen before starting the war and there is nothing at any level that the USA can do beyond saying, oh boy, what bad luck is mine
The US is already sending a large amount of military material to Ukraine and if it sent something more forceful to pressure Russia, what Russia would do is send long-range missiles to Iran and then what? Do you keep climbing waiting for someone to do the chicken before you get to the nuclear thing?
and? What does that change? It does not invalidate my previous point at all, there is already American material on the ground and American aid to Ukraine (it does not matter who pays for it in this case), it is normal for Russia to do the same with Iran (help that you also do not know if Iran pays like Ukraine does) and increasing it will only make Russia increase its aid to Iran, what do you gain from that and where do you set the limit?
On the original issue of the shipment, the US recognizing that Russia provides intelligence support to Iran is not going to change anything or benefit anyone in any way. Apart from the fact that if the US does/did it with Ukraine, with what argument are they going to even ask Russia to stop doing it?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Apr 15:35
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The simplest explanation is that the US in not an ally of Ukraine (or Europe).
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Apr 21:53
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I’m not so sure the US was a proper ally of Europe (there has long been overt talk in the US about Europe as a competitor and a lot of effort from US sources to try and weaken the EU with for example funding campaigning for Brexit) but I do believe that before Trump the US was an ally of Ukraine.
Also because it’s obvious and saying it only fans more flames for WWIII. We’re having a hard enough time preventing it with Israel actively trying to derail any attempts at peace. It took long enough to get Trump even pushing in that direction. It will take a miracle for him to not get distracted. The last thing we need is to make this an open contest between world powers and double down on this mess.
But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict. This is the problem with having all these proxy countries associated with you. They don’t always have your exact same strategic priorities or alignment with your goals. Our goal should be to get the US out of war. And both of these countries (Ukraine and Israel) want us in.
The current war of aggression against Iran, sure. But not avoiding war unconditionally, no. The US could, for example, stay out of war by selling out Ukraine and rewarding Russian imperialism. But that would mean creating a precedent that the US capitulates and sells out its allies anytime someone else rattles their sabre. That’s a path that doesn’t lead to peace. It leads to servitude, and to rewarding whoever’s the most flagrant warmonger.
But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict.
The desired end state of that conflict, for Ukraine, is Russians out of Ukraine and no more attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure. At that point, no more conflict. But ending it now on unfacorable terms for Ukraine means we’ll get a refugee crisis, the systematic destruction of Ukrainian national identity, massacres, and further Russian aggression as Putin turns his attention to the Baltics or Poland. Neither is a good choice. But one is far less bad than the other.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml
on 09 Apr 16:21
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Zelensky trying hard to get some attention back. Fuck him for supporting Israel.
A headline like that really doesn’t mean anything. The commander-in-chief lives in his little bubble with his dementia and his narcissism. Then people in the military have their own information, most of which is presumably more accurate than the big boss’s brain.
Trying to speculate about what Donald believes or knows is an exercise in futility because he’s a strong narcissist who’s getting dementia. He believes in whatever he believes at that exact moment and it has nothing to do with the past or the future or reality, and if you haven’t been around people like that, it’s hard to understand, but you have to stop expecting them to have a normal brain. Logic doesn’t matter. Facts don’t matter. Reason doesn’t apply.
The commander-in-chief lives in his little bubble with his dementia and his narcissism.
Therefore he can then be manipulated by his supposed minions who have bigger plans to either enrich themselves or launch nukes.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip
on 10 Apr 08:48
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“Trusts” -> “Is owned by.”
nlgranger@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 09:02
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Russia does not exactly “help” Iran, they back-stabbed them on several occasions. A more accurate description would be that Russia supports Iran to the extent that it serves its own agenda.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 10:02
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Again, the orange-faced bastard is but a running dog for the Kremlin, and sure it’s an open secret on the streets of Kyiv.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 10:52
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No, Putin is sitting on a large pile of “pee tapes” and US dances when it’s told to.
I’m sure it’s not pee, but P for something worse.
Both is also possible…
He can release the pee tapes. No one cares. No one will prosecute Trump. No one will stop voting for him.
Yeah, yeah. Nothing ever happens until it does.
Also sitting on a large pile of cash from all the oil money they made back with sky high oil prices.
Shouldnt he be happy that Iran is taking Russian resources away from the war?
Trump’s war in Iran diverted weapons away from Ukraine (which were already bought and paid for by Europe), to be used in Iran. It also increased the global price of oil and gas, which benefits Russia because they can now sell their oil at that higher price.
it appears that russia can now make thier own shahed drones now, and been giving iran some.
I think it’s more like a boss / employee relationship.
Based on Trump’s body language in Helsinki, it’s extreme dom/sub.
Trump knows Russia is helping Iran, but there’s nothing he can do to stop it.
He doesn’t want to disappoint his daddy.
Trump could absolutely stop it, if he wanted to. Just send a few hundred tomahawk missiles as military aid to Ukraine. Then tell Russia that if Russia does not stop, the US will send more.
Yes, but Putin might do more to help Iran.
Like what? Putin needs his missiles himself.
And remember that the US, is way, way more militarily powerful than Russia. The US has tons of spare military capacity, unlike Russia. Russia would lose an escalation war, and Russia knows it.
Russia is much closer to Iran than the US which means it can move troops and equipment into Iran quickly.
Ukraine literally has a land border with the EU, where the US has large equipment stockpiles and perfect logistics. Logistically it is likely much easier for the US to send stuff to Ukraine.
But Russia is much closer to Iran and Trump is losing interest in Europe and Ukraine.
Yeah, sure, fighting a second war while one’s a stalemate will really improve Russia’s chances.
If Trump was willing to fight with Russia, why didn’t he supply Tomahawks to Ukraine when it Zelensky requested them?
I have seen this topic before and I don’t understand what the importance of the issue is. Isn’t the USA sharing intelligence with Ukraine? I suppose that Russia sharing information with Iran is what is expected in the situation and what could anyone do to prevent it?
You’re thinking morality when he’s talking strategy.
I still don’t understand the importance, what change in strategy should the United States make knowing this? does they need to confirm it? Because for me it is obvious that Russia shares information with Iran, it was obvious that it was going to happen before starting the war and there is nothing at any level that the USA can do beyond saying, oh boy, what bad luck is mine
Trump is a friend of Putin. Rather a submissive. So it is weird that Russia helps Iran but Trump doesn’t react to this.
It’s not weird at all. Trump will never do anything to oppose Putin besides talk. And talk is cheap, especially when it’s coming from Trump.
Just send a few hundred tomahawk missiles as military aid to Ukraine. Then tell Russia that if Russia does not stop, the US will send more.
The US is already sending a large amount of military material to Ukraine and if it sent something more forceful to pressure Russia, what Russia would do is send long-range missiles to Iran and then what? Do you keep climbing waiting for someone to do the chicken before you get to the nuclear thing?
No it isn’t. Trump stopped all new aid.
Only what Europe paid for is being sent.
and? What does that change? It does not invalidate my previous point at all, there is already American material on the ground and American aid to Ukraine (it does not matter who pays for it in this case), it is normal for Russia to do the same with Iran (help that you also do not know if Iran pays like Ukraine does) and increasing it will only make Russia increase its aid to Iran, what do you gain from that and where do you set the limit?
On the original issue of the shipment, the US recognizing that Russia provides intelligence support to Iran is not going to change anything or benefit anyone in any way. Apart from the fact that if the US does/did it with Ukraine, with what argument are they going to even ask Russia to stop doing it?
The simplest explanation is that the US in not an ally of Ukraine (or Europe).
It was an ally before the Trump came.
I’m not so sure the US was a proper ally of Europe (there has long been overt talk in the US about Europe as a competitor and a lot of effort from US sources to try and weaken the EU with for example funding campaigning for Brexit) but I do believe that before Trump the US was an ally of Ukraine.
Also because it’s obvious and saying it only fans more flames for WWIII. We’re having a hard enough time preventing it with Israel actively trying to derail any attempts at peace. It took long enough to get Trump even pushing in that direction. It will take a miracle for him to not get distracted. The last thing we need is to make this an open contest between world powers and double down on this mess.
But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict. This is the problem with having all these proxy countries associated with you. They don’t always have your exact same strategic priorities or alignment with your goals. Our goal should be to get the US out of war. And both of these countries (Ukraine and Israel) want us in.
The current war of aggression against Iran, sure. But not avoiding war unconditionally, no. The US could, for example, stay out of war by selling out Ukraine and rewarding Russian imperialism. But that would mean creating a precedent that the US capitulates and sells out its allies anytime someone else rattles their sabre. That’s a path that doesn’t lead to peace. It leads to servitude, and to rewarding whoever’s the most flagrant warmonger.
The desired end state of that conflict, for Ukraine, is Russians out of Ukraine and no more attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure. At that point, no more conflict. But ending it now on unfacorable terms for Ukraine means we’ll get a refugee crisis, the systematic destruction of Ukrainian national identity, massacres, and further Russian aggression as Putin turns his attention to the Baltics or Poland. Neither is a good choice. But one is far less bad than the other.
Zelensky trying hard to get some attention back. Fuck him for supporting Israel.
I think it’s more complicated than that. No one in the world besides Ukraine wants to see a Russian/US war…
Even if acknowledged, the US is not going to go to war with Russia. The US could sanction Russia, though.
Or kinetic sanctions - resume aid to Ukraine. Just give more stuff for Ukraine to shoot into Russia. Let Russia learn its lesson real fast.
The US did sanction Russia. Trump is undermining those sanctions.
Yup - and Trump can un-undermine those sanctions.
A headline like that really doesn’t mean anything. The commander-in-chief lives in his little bubble with his dementia and his narcissism. Then people in the military have their own information, most of which is presumably more accurate than the big boss’s brain.
Trying to speculate about what Donald believes or knows is an exercise in futility because he’s a strong narcissist who’s getting dementia. He believes in whatever he believes at that exact moment and it has nothing to do with the past or the future or reality, and if you haven’t been around people like that, it’s hard to understand, but you have to stop expecting them to have a normal brain. Logic doesn’t matter. Facts don’t matter. Reason doesn’t apply.
Therefore he can then be manipulated by his supposed minions who have bigger plans to either enrich themselves or launch nukes.
“Trusts” -> “Is owned by.”
Russia does not exactly “help” Iran, they back-stabbed them on several occasions. A more accurate description would be that Russia supports Iran to the extent that it serves its own agenda.
Again, the orange-faced bastard is but a running dog for the Kremlin, and sure it’s an open secret on the streets of Kyiv.
Israeli asset Zelensky says what?