from Linkerbaan@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 18 Apr 2024 14:13
https://lemmy.world/post/14432349
Testimonies from camp residents, which were provided to the Euro-Med Monitor team, confirm that the sound of women screaming and babies crying was heard late at night on both Sunday and Monday. When some of the residents went out to investigate and tried to help, they were shot at by Israeli quadcopter drones. The sounds they had heard were in fact recordings playedby the Israeli drones, with the intent of forcing the camp’s residents out into the streets, where they could be easily targeted by snipers and other weaponry.
According to the testimonies, this tactic also involved broadcasting gunshots, armed conflicts, explosions, military vehicle movements, and occasionally songs in Hebrew and Arabic in order to psychologically intimidate civilians who live amid total darkness at night and total disconnection from the external world.
The Israeli army randomly and systematically targeted anyone in the Nuseirat camp who was simply walking down the street or peering out of windows, and also targeted some civilian residents who were attempting to move between shelter centres and homes or investigate what was going on in the area. The intensity of bombing and shooting operations increases during the course of the night, directly and purposefully targeting populated residential areas, civilian targets, including schools and mosques that house displaced people, as well as the civilian populace with the intention of killing and injuring them.
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I don’t how anyone in any country with a single iota of empathy can vote for any politicians that are supporting this shit.
There’s literally no excuse for this behavior
Because the american political system is hot garbage, and not voting risks something way worse.
I don’t know how old you are, but if I had a kid the first year I voted, they’d be voting too by now.
For all but one of those elections my only motivation has been stopping republicans. 08 Obama I was legitimately voting for someone I wanted to be president. Every other one I was just voting against Republicans.
In that time I’ve seen the democratic party continue to move to the right.
Just last election I watch the DNC pull some bullshit so now billionaires can give 625k, well over the 2.5k that’s already a problem, and allows direct cooperation unlike PACs.
This election I watch the DNC and their favorite cancel an entire states primary for something Dems in that state can’t control. That state has been boring progressive over neoliberals fo a couple primaries now, and where one of the first states. That’s not even getting i to the genocide support.
I’m sorry, I’m too old now, I’ve seen to much.
I know exactly what “Blue no matter who” leads to. And I’ve seen that as long as progressives do that, the DNC will keep moving to the right.
I legitimately wish there was a better way to show the DNC I can’t support their direction over the past decades, but nothing else has worked.
The current path doesn’t fix anything, it just results in both parties moving to the right. And we can’t afford either party moving any further to the right.
That is a lot of words to say “I’m okay with a trump presidency”
But hey, maybe THIS time we’ll really learn our lesson. Just like we did after W.
And that’s a small amount of words to say you don’t plan ahead…
Like, imagine if someone “lived every day like it’s their last”.
It sounds great if you never think deeper than what it says on an old woman’s decorative pillow.
That’s what “blue no matter who” is. It might be a valid strategy if you’re not planning ahead. But if you’re not planning ahead anyways, why not blow all your money on drugs right now?
Meanwhile the rest of us can plan more than 4 year ahead of time.
Because we have literal decades of history to show what happens if the only standard is the letter next to a politicians name.
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
I think we can trust the Euro-Med human rights monitor.
And considering Israel’s track record, I wouldn’t find this story hard to believe.
I see nothing in there that makes them worthy of a great deal of trust. To the contrary, being Palestinian-affiliated means they’re on a side in a war.
Being on a side is fine, but it does not and should not promote trust.
The leader was the former United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian... so maybe look harder.
Just because someone is with the UN does not make them trustworthy. The UN is not some inherently perfect thing. Unless you think Saudi oil tycoons are the proper people to be heading an international taskforce on climate change.
Much like any other org, one has to pay attention to details and not just blindly trust. This is true of every org, no exceptions. If it features people, it should not be blindly trusted at all times.
Then who the fuck do you trust? At what point can anyone or any organnzation be trustworthy according to your impossible standards?
Completely trust? No one. I trust systems and methods. I do not trust any person or group of people to properly use any system or method 100% of the time.
Life isn’t so easy, unfortunately.
I tend to trust thorough investigations that show their evidence, usually, regardless of who puts them out. For instance, I’m fairly confident the expose done on the IDF intentionally targeting Reuters journalists a few months ago was accurate.
Nothing is perfect though.
Moving the goalposts.
No, my original goalpost was one should not believe everything one reads on the internet. This is consistent with completely believing no one, and maintaining healthy skepticism. Nice try though.
What’s the matter? You can’t imagine that Israel can commit crimes against humanity? Is that why you can’t trust any independent committee that highlights these things?
They’re not independent, if you check the wikipedia article someone else shared. With the UN does not guarantee independence in any way, shape or form.
You mean the Wikipedia article I JUST POSTED in my previous comment?
The one that the very first line says:
Didn’t know that was you.
When you click through, you find out:
Ramy Abdu (Arabic: رامي عبده) (or Ramy Abdo[1]) is a Palestinian financial expert
Now, I’m not saying no Palestinians should be trusted. But I certainly wouldn’t simply assume some unbiased neutrality here, when his own people are being killed.
Just because someone is with the UN does not guarantee their independence. It depends on the person.
Also the same article
By who??? Linkiesta and Global Muslim brotherhood daily watch???
What the fuck are those?
Linkiesta’s editor is a big fan of Mordechai Richler and the guy behind the GMBDW sounds like an Islamophobe with a conspiracy theorist blog.
And don’t blindly refuse to believe anything you read on the internet
I’m not. I do approach everything on here with a degree of skepticism though. Nothing simply gets blind faith.
In this case, when the IDF wants to kill someone, they just blow up the building/vehicle they are in. Luring people out to machine gun them down from drones smacks of sensationalist bs, and no evidence is provided beyond supposed testimonies.
Given the reports of “kill zones” used by the IDF it doesn’t seem so unrealistic.
You’re right of course, that you shouldn’t blindly believe this type of stuff. If the IDF hadn’t killed so many journalists and Israel banned outlets it doesn’t like we might have some independent verification of this. But we can’t get it. Honestly while you obviously shouldn’t 100% believe it this fact does make me more likely to believe, because they obviously have something to hide.
I think Israel is intentionally creating this doubt so their PR, hasbara spewers and supporters can dismiss any crime with faux-superiority and “well it’s unverified.”
Imagine hearing the testimony of a victim of the attack on October 7th and just being like, naah, just a report, why should I believe this? Well because you know exactly the sort of stuff that happened that day and this person was literally there you fucking idiot. The question is why disbelieve it?
Likewise, the IDF has done so much disgusting shit and lied so much through the conflict, why should I disbelieve this? I’m cautiously accepting unless further evidence emerges.
Well said.
Personally I neither believe nor disbelieve, I just remain in that “maybe” space in between the two. This space exists for me until well after the war is over. One thing I certainly believe is it is impossible to accurately determine the truth in an active war without seeing it for yourself, so I don’t bother trying.
The truth comes out later, once it is safe to do more in-depth, time-consuming work with more neutral parties. This is just one part of the problem with wars, their inherent deadliness keeps neutral investigators away.
edit: Every war is a Schrodinger’s Box, every supposed fact is the cat inside. It cannot actually be opened until people in the area are no longer dying. Essentially.
don’t accept the easiest conclusions too though. Israel is punching down on civilians. That much is fact.
This is beyond evil. I don’t know how any country can support this kind of inhumanity.
I’ve concluded it’s Racism.
It’s especially obvious in how German politicians justify their unwavering support of Israel whilst they commit a Genocide using the rationale that Israel is “The Jewish Nation”, which is explicitly about etnicity.
Modern closet racists still look at people in the same way as traditional racists - judging them and treating them differently depending on their etnicity - whilst having different lists of “good” etnicities and “bad” etnicities than the traditional racists and by not openly discriminating against etnicities which is not “politically correct” to discriminate against have even for decades passed themselves as anti-racist.
Israel has invested a lot of time and money into projecting an image of being a Western nation surrounded by non-Westerners exactly to leverage the racism in the West, especially in times like now.
It is a western nation surrounded by non Westerners. The great majority of Jewish people that created the colony of Israel were all European to begin with.
Were
The most dominant political faction in Israel in the present day are Orthodox Jews who are mostly descendant from Jews that came from Russia, not Western Europe and they have a lot more children than those with a Western mindset, so they keep increasing as a proportion of the population, which is why Israel politics has kept getting more and more extreme rightwing as time went by.
Further, whilst Europe has in the last half a century actually evolved away from things like the State being tightly coupled with Religion, etnocentrism, militarism and ultra-nationalism, Israel has not only preserved the early XX century mindset, but even in some ways gone in the opposite direction of Europe in social and ideological terms.
Israel is more akin to of a Jewish and not-yet-quite-as-theocratic Iran, than to any modern Western European country.
Israel existing long enough to become the villain is wild.
It was never not killing Palestinians and taking their land. Now it’s just harder to hide
It only came into existence with terrorist stacks and ethnic cleansing. Indiscriminately murdering entire villages, poisoning wells, burning olive groves and slaughtering livestock that people depended on. Israel is white ISIS that managed to hold on long enough to gain recognition.
Uh what? It was created with evil intentions, and basically from the get go have been a villain to millions and more recently the entire world. This is not a new thing.
This beggars belief. Why lure the civilians out before killing them, when you can just kill them in their camp without doing so? What could possibly be the point?
So many of these kinds of stories lately, its hard to fact check them all. I mean, I guess it’s possible, but I find it tough to believe that Israel is on an extermination campaign let alone one that is excessively cruel and outrageously evil. Maybe I’m naive, but if Israel hopes to present themselves as a first world country and a modern civilization, then they can’t honestly expect to get away with that kind of thing.
No guys. You don’t understand. These sounds are only for Hamas to hear, not for the civilians. The drones weren’t meant to kill civilians, but if they heard the sounds specifically made for Hamas of course they are terrorists, right? /s