Iranian star Parastoo Ahmadi reportedly sentenced to 74 lashes for singing without hijab (www.theguardian.com)
from FTonsilStones@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 20:35
https://lemmy.ca/post/66712987

Musicians and production team understood to be facing same punishment after livestream of patriotic song

In December 2024, the 29-year-old singer performed the patriotic song Az Khoone Javanane Vatan (From the Blood of the Youth of the Homeland) without a hijab in a livestreamed performance that went viral.

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AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 21:08 next collapse

Isn’t 74 like a crazy number? Like no one can stay conscious through that kind of number?

NullPointerException@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 21:14 next collapse

I’ve read about this before. It’s worse than you think. It’s not done all at once and she doesn’t know when it will happen.

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 21:16 next collapse

Seriously? Like they give her a couple lashes, let her go, then grab her off the street a week later and give her some more?

victorz@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 21:20 next collapse

Definitely not what I expected if so. More like, a few lashes, wait a few minutes. Make it last longer, make her unable up anticipate the pain.

NullPointerException@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 12:13 collapse

I don’t remember exactly and I don’t have the stomach to search it again. But lashing is done in the butt. Just like a jail sentence, you’re ordered to present yourself at a place where you’ll receive your punishment. They put you over some kind of bench and expose your buttocks. By the fifth lash the skin is already broken and you’re bleeding. So a “doctor” can order the punishment to stop. Months later you’re ordered back to continue your sentence.

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 17:23 collapse

Are you sure you aren’t thinking of caning? I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how Singapore does it, but it’s a thin wooden rod, not a whip.

NullPointerException@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 17:47 collapse

Maybe I’m mixing torture techniques. There’s also flogging that follows the same pattern, but IIRC, the victim stays jailed during sentence, and it’s done on the back.

Rhaedas@fedia.io on 20 Jun 21:20 collapse

It's terrorism and not punishment. About sending a message to everyone else. Drawing out the abuse gives more visibility than a single incident. And they'll turn around and say it's in accordance to a loving god. Right.

drmoose@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 18:07 collapse

Yup Iran is one of the worst countries in the world and if it wasn’t for oil money propping up the lunatics we’d be all happier without it.

betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 21:39 collapse

73 would have been much more reasonable.

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 21:41 collapse

Oh, right, totally fine at 73

lena@gregtech.eu on 21 Jun 17:54 collapse

@betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world was obviously being sarcastic (unless you’re playing along too and I’m the socially inept one here!)

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 17:55 collapse

Yes, I was playing around.

lena@gregtech.eu on 21 Jun 17:56 collapse

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

Jessicat@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 22:00 next collapse

For singing a patriotic song. That should not be a controversial act much less a criminal one.

aceshigh@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 22:06 next collapse

Is this even survivable? If she doesn’t bleed out, she’ll have to deal with infections.

FTonsilStones@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 22:16 collapse

This woman in Aceh got 100 lashes:

The woman’s flogging was briefly paused because she could not bear the pain, according to an Agence France-Presse reporter in the field.

Apparently she survived it though.

aceshigh@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 22:36 collapse

How awful.

patruelis@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 22:37 next collapse

It is a fucked up country. I’m happy Trump helped. Oh wait…

nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 05:51 collapse

You’re not wrong, he definitely helped the Ayatollahs.

Tiral@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 22:42 next collapse

I don’t have a problem with Islam, I know plenty of people I’d consider decent/good that are Muslim. That being said as an atheist who thinks all religions are insane, I think Islam isn’t far from Christianity of 1000 years ago. Christianity used to be just as bloody and cruel, but it moved on to what we have as modern Christianity. Which isn’t great, but nowhere near what it was. Islam as a whole hasn’t moved on completely, which would be something akin to when the Catholic Church was in power in Europe.

Not spreading hate, Islam isn’t evil or make you evil, I just think it needs to evolve with at least a tad common sense like Christianity.

Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml on 20 Jun 23:19 next collapse

It’s unfair to imply that Islam has been stagnant for a millennia, when in reality numerous scholars from across the globe have contributed so much to Islamic jurisprudence and still do. “Islam” is a very wide notion and cannot be reduced to a historically and spacially specific vision thereof. You cannot find the same Sharia law in two Muslim countries. Some countries even accomodate different Islamic rites by providing them with parallel legal systems.

Lemming6969@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 00:26 next collapse

I don’t have a problem with Islam That being said as an atheist who thinks all religions are insane

Stop being a weak bitch, just go with the second sentiment full throttle. It’s the correct one.

Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 02:52 next collapse

Iran is the first time in millennia this kind of Islam has been a state

Edit: Am I wrong? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 16:38 collapse

That’s a correct observation.

Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip on 21 Jun 04:45 collapse

I think the difference is less that Islam is behind the curve and more that Islam is disproportionately practiced in theocratic nations. Religious echochambers that are largely monocultural get really fucked up really fast. Mormonism and all the fucked up shit in Utah. Hasidic Jewish communities, and israel. All the theocratic Muslim nations. Theres a reason the bible belt’s version of Christianity is more fucked-up than the version you more often find in the rest of the country. If I remember right its the Buddhist majority group carrying out a genocide in Myanmar – and I feel like in the west we tend to think of Buddhists as pretty peaceful.

An echo chamber normalizes things that otherwise wouldn’t be accepted as normal, and allows them to exacerbate themselves, and religions tend to have some fucked shit burried in them that shows up when it doesnt have to be rationalized to outsiders. You tend to see that fucked shit a lot less when the people practicing those religions are also in community with folks who aren’t part of their religion.

Which to be clear, is true of many things not just religion. You can also see it in pockets of political echochambers online, even on the fediverse, but online theres always the risk of context collapse, in a way that gets less and less true as a region becomes more monocultural, as tends to happen under theocracy.

chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 23:35 next collapse

Bunch of fucking barbarians

Danarchy@lemmy.nz on 21 Jun 01:51 next collapse

Damn just when they won so many hearts and minds

lennybird@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 02:32 next collapse

Total shithole. Iranian people deserve better but it’s only going to get worse thanks to Trump leaving them hanging and Bibi helping bomb them.

Akasazh@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 11:49 next collapse

I remember the people of the Iranian diaspora being so happy about tenuous Trumps war, thinking he would help change the regime.

Trump doesn’t help people, he doesn’t care about anything but himself.

joostjakob@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 17:45 collapse

The people of Iran are generally quite nice. I wouldn’t call the entire country a shithole just because its run by fundamentalists

psx_crab@lemmy.zip on 21 Jun 03:18 next collapse

To think the book actually only encourages donning a headscarf. Fundamentalist always prevail in islam, and woman always the victim of men’s rule.

diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 17:19 next collapse

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KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org on 21 Jun 17:33 next collapse

Religion - crushing civilization since… since human monkeys dreamed up gods.

Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 18:25 collapse

It’s funny to me that you say this because thinking don’t this one, humans are just anthropomorphic primates that have decided that we’re the best. Humans will do anything to try to separate us and then make religion as thing and go humanity hasn’t starts until this one carpenter made a cult. Try to use the whole we think where we come from are conscious and have a society we can talk have a language and look st each other differently ; SO DO ANIMALS!!!

I bet salmon look up at the moon and glance and wonder what it’s all about but humans need to put a reason to it.

Apex predators aren’t even better than anything else out there they can just eat whatever the fuck they want. Let’s not forget the how many ice ages and cave people and the religion free Neanderthals and ages of time where animals bigger than the tallest building roamed in the land, sea and air.

Humans are a fucking joke even if you strip away religious things and all that humans are a fucked up species that unless it’s our pets, seeing a dead animal in the street going to the zoo or hunting we don’t give a fuck.

Like you know how they say eyes are the gateway to the soul well Steve Irwin knew it and he looked at other animals like an animal and respected them for what they were, that’s why he was so special and it’s so fucked up that anyone who can do that, who can truly have a bond with the creatures that are surrounding us, our fellow animals are the people who get called having a way with animals when it’s really just connecting in the way that we are them.

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umbrella@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 20:26 collapse

the only reason you care is because you want to feel better for murdering iranians for no reason at all.

they are a theocracy because of your interference.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 20:36 collapse

Maybe we understand that the US is the greater of 2 evils in this specific war, while also feeling like the Iranian government is evil.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 20:42 collapse

if you truly cared, we would be seeing this kind of post before the drums of war against iran started getting beat.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:11 collapse

The th8ng about this administration is that they’re drumming constantly about everyone. Yeah - they attacked Iran, but the also threatened to attack Canada and Mexico and Greenland and China and everyone else. They’ve overwhelmed us with so much bullshit we’re too busy being shocked by the new attrocity to give a proper response to the last one.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 00:12 collapse

oh, if only you weren’t too busy being shocked. that must take up all of your time.