What? So the US is going to block the straight that is already blocked by Iran, whilst the negotiation are going on to force Iran to open the straight?
Madison420@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 14:35
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They want in on irans toll system because it’ll be hugely profitable.
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 15:01
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Iran doesn’t have a toll. They just won’t allow enemy ships through.
Eldritch@piefed.world
on 12 Apr 15:37
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They want one though. And that’s enough to get Donny dementia interested.
They’re asking for a toll and the US said it wanted to take part in the system ie. They want half and partial control.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz
on 12 Apr 15:20
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Before this the only ships let through were the ones that were OKed by iran. You could be OKed by iran either if you were going there to buy and transport Iranian oil or if you paid Iran a huge fee. Either way Iran was making huge amounts of money on this especially since the oil prices were so high and they were the only ones able to export oil from the region.
So this recent move of blocking the straight completely is not a dumb move if one wants to weaken iran. There were headlines going around saying Iran was making more money during the war than before the war. Such a situation of course meant iran is in no hurry whatsoever to sign a peace deal with the US, especially not a disadvantageous one.
This new blockade will however highen oil prices even more now that not even Iranian oil can leave. But this will put pressure on Iran towards making peace deal. If a peace deal is met the strait can be completely open again and oil prices can start going down. That’s the thought behind it. We’ll see if it actually works. It doesn’t look like Iran is too desperate to sign a peace deal and why would they? They can probably handle not exporting oil for a longer time than Trump can politically survive constantly increasing fuel prices and inflation. And they know that fact. The Iranian leadership are crazy religious fanatics but they don’t strike me as stupid.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 16:29
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The Iranian leadership are crazy religious fanatics but they don’t strike me as stupid.
Even if they were completely devoted to their flavor of Abrhamic religion…
Ironically enough their prophecy requires Muslims and Christians to unite against the antichrist, and then Jesus (yes that Jesus) comes down and kills the antichrist and tells everyone to convert to Islam.
Then there’s a schism where Christians say Jesus saved everyone, and Muslims say that it was really God acting thru Jesus just like last time.
Like, that’s the most ridiculous part of it, that there’s still supposed to be beef after they both unite under Jesus against the antichrist.
And it’s why I fully have them cozying up to the fucking pope on my bingo card as my center square. Especially since their timeline has always been “over 2,000 years later”. They haven’t been kicking the can for centuries, this is when they always said it would happen.
If they want to bring about their end times, they’re gonna build a global multi-cultural opposition group to trump, because he clearly fits all the predictions for the anti-christ.
According to Islamic apocalyptics, having ascended to heaven and dwelled there for 2000+ years, Jesus will descend to earth shortly before Judgement Day, in the midst of wars fought against al-Masih ad-Dajjal ('The False Messiah") and his followers, to come to the aid of the Mahdi and his Muslim followers. Dressed in saffron robes with his head anointed, Jesus will descend at the point of a white minaret, in eastern Damascus, which is believed to be the Minaret of Isa in the Umayyad Mosque.[92] He will then greet the Mahdi and (being a Muslim) pray beside him. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Dajjal at Lod.[93]
Afterwards, he will “break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax”, according to a well-known Sahih al-Bukhari hadith.[94][95] “The usual interpretation” of this prophecy is that, being a Muslim, Jesus will put a stop to Christian worship of himself and in belief in his divinity, “symbolized by the cross”. He will re-establish the Kosher/Halal dietary laws abandoned by Christianity;[96] and because Jews and Christians will now all reject their former faith and accept Islam, there will be no more need for the jizya tax on unbelievers.[97]
Funny how the religion of the Trump’s supporters claim almost the same thing, but explicitly single out everybody turning against Jews, and of course Jesus is on their side.
And if he is: Does he know? Is he moving his GI Joe figurine forward on the chessboard and going pew pew while being outmaneuvered in 3 dimensions?
Gates9@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Apr 17:01
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I always got the impression that MAGA always knew their ideology was on the way out, and that Trump represents the last existential battle, like “Custers last stand”. It’s apocalyptic, and so they are in favor of burning the house down if they lose.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Apr 17:06
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With water boats!!
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca
on 12 Apr 15:13
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Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
on 12 Apr 15:59
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Finally doing what they should have done day one.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 12 Apr 17:05
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Not really, no. What they should have done day one is enact military law in the US, not martial law, and forcibly remove every single elected and appointed official to be tried publicly at the Hague and streamed to the entire world.
Lets be honest if we’re going to be dreaming about what should have been.
No they will wait til Friday morning, and declare the blockade over. Most people are dumb so they will believe the strait is open and market goes brrrr. Only it will be the US blockade and the strait will likely remain closed.
So, when the first Chinese ship goes through, what will they do? Attacking it will bring in a whole new issue. And won’t this free up Iranian forces to fight elsewhere?
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What? So the US is going to block the straight that is already blocked by Iran, whilst the negotiation are going on to force Iran to open the straight?
They want in on irans toll system because it’ll be hugely profitable.
Iran doesn’t have a toll. They just won’t allow enemy ships through.
They want one though. And that’s enough to get Donny dementia interested.
They’re asking for a toll and the US said it wanted to take part in the system ie. They want half and partial control.
Before this the only ships let through were the ones that were OKed by iran. You could be OKed by iran either if you were going there to buy and transport Iranian oil or if you paid Iran a huge fee. Either way Iran was making huge amounts of money on this especially since the oil prices were so high and they were the only ones able to export oil from the region.
So this recent move of blocking the straight completely is not a dumb move if one wants to weaken iran. There were headlines going around saying Iran was making more money during the war than before the war. Such a situation of course meant iran is in no hurry whatsoever to sign a peace deal with the US, especially not a disadvantageous one.
This new blockade will however highen oil prices even more now that not even Iranian oil can leave. But this will put pressure on Iran towards making peace deal. If a peace deal is met the strait can be completely open again and oil prices can start going down. That’s the thought behind it. We’ll see if it actually works. It doesn’t look like Iran is too desperate to sign a peace deal and why would they? They can probably handle not exporting oil for a longer time than Trump can politically survive constantly increasing fuel prices and inflation. And they know that fact. The Iranian leadership are crazy religious fanatics but they don’t strike me as stupid.
Even if they were completely devoted to their flavor of Abrhamic religion…
Ironically enough their prophecy requires Muslims and Christians to unite against the antichrist, and then Jesus (yes that Jesus) comes down and kills the antichrist and tells everyone to convert to Islam.
Then there’s a schism where Christians say Jesus saved everyone, and Muslims say that it was really God acting thru Jesus just like last time.
Like, that’s the most ridiculous part of it, that there’s still supposed to be beef after they both unite under Jesus against the antichrist.
And it’s why I fully have them cozying up to the fucking pope on my bingo card as my center square. Especially since their timeline has always been “over 2,000 years later”. They haven’t been kicking the can for centuries, this is when they always said it would happen.
If they want to bring about their end times, they’re gonna build a global multi-cultural opposition group to trump, because he clearly fits all the predictions for the anti-christ.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam#Apocalyptic_…
But at least theirs has a goal of peace on Earth instead of hell on Earth:
Funny how the religion of the Trump’s supporters claim almost the same thing, but explicitly single out everybody turning against Jews, and of course Jesus is on their side.
It’s also a state piracy which will not go well with China and others. Europe will stay silent, though, I guess.
He’s mad they let China thru…
So he’s going to say he’s stopping everything, but the only way things get to him to stop, is if Iran let it pass.
He doesn’t understand that when Iran lets someone thru, it’s Iran allowing them to be neutral.
trump sees it as them being allies of Iran and his enemies. Which makes them “valid targets” in his eyes.
Now we just have to see if he’ll really sink/seize a 3rd party tanker if it just goes thru anyways.
If he does, that’s pretty much ww3
I think he wants a toll too. He’s just jealous of the money.
Big “you can’t quit, your fired!” energy.
Basically the only thing worse than Iran not opening the straight, is Iran only letting through Chinese vessels and taking a payment for it.
“I didn’t wanna fuck her anyways”
Welp, all hail our chinese EV lords!
Anyone still believe he’s playing 4D chess?
4D tiddlywinks and he’s still on zeroies.
And if he is: Does he know? Is he moving his GI Joe figurine forward on the chessboard and going pew pew while being outmaneuvered in 3 dimensions?
I always got the impression that MAGA always knew their ideology was on the way out, and that Trump represents the last existential battle, like “Custers last stand”. It’s apocalyptic, and so they are in favor of burning the house down if they lose.
With water boats!!
🤣
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that’s why I’m so fucking confused
Finally doing what they should have done day one.
Not really, no. What they should have done day one is enact military law in the US, not martial law, and forcibly remove every single elected and appointed official to be tried publicly at the Hague and streamed to the entire world.
Lets be honest if we’re going to be dreaming about what should have been.
We dream big. 😔
He declared that during the weekend, while markets are closed, so that he can profit from it with another crazy declaration on Monday morning.
This is merely pure market manipulation.
No they will wait til Friday morning, and declare the blockade over. Most people are dumb so they will believe the strait is open and market goes brrrr. Only it will be the US blockade and the strait will likely remain closed.
So, when the first Chinese ship goes through, what will they do? Attacking it will bring in a whole new issue. And won’t this free up Iranian forces to fight elsewhere?