In much the same way that the west did not protect Ukraine despite them voluntarily giving up their nukes. Iran likely sees that and makes it even more desirable to have nukes. Whether they are actively developing them, or that’s a pretext for an invasion that’s once again about oil is yet to be seen.
First off there is support by European countries and the US for Ukraine, though I agree that the decision for giving up their nukes should have come with harder guarantees; second Ukraine wasn’t as connected to the EU or the US as Iran was to Russia.
Russia is in no way legally obliged to help, but we’ve already seen what happens if they are (with Armenia not officially withdrawn, but having stopped paying membership fees and not participating in the CSTO). Russia is projecting weakness and offers no incentive to align with them for other countries, their words in this matter are not only hollow and hypocritical, but also embarrassing because they presented themselves as a military power, yet they only talk once an actual military power attacks an any.
The fact that Zelensky is still alive after four years while Chamenei was killed in the first night of the war (both a result of intelligence) is a very hard reality check, regardless of what one thinks is right or legal, which my post isn’t supposed to claim anything about.
Ukraine gave up their nukes and North Korea didn’t. Only one of those two is fighting a war of survival right now, so I wouldn’t blame Iran for looking to arm up… though I don’t think they’re ‘days away’ now anymore then the last half dozen times Bibi said they were.
The Budapest memorandum of 1994 ensured that the US and UK would "Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”
That happened. It’s a promise to bring the issue to the UN security council for a vote on action. Not a promise to invade any attacking country.
What also happened is that Russia, a seat on the security council, has the power to veto, and a conflicting interest here that the UN decided couldn’t possibly be a problem in the future.
I’m not saying we have done enough.
I am, however, saying that we have held up our end of the agreement, as written on paper.
As far as I’m concerned, my country is 1/3 of the reason they’re in this mess, so we need to step in and directly protect them at the bare minimum. Ukraine isn’t safe until their borders are restored to pre-2014, their infrastructure is repaired and improved, and they have enough to defend themselves from Russia AND the US. And also the government stooges of Russia get put to death for forcing their population to fight and die against an opponent who never wanted a fight to begin with.
UN decided couldn’t possibly be a problem in the future
Less that, and more that the existence of the Security Council with permanent seats and veto powers was a requirement to get the major powers to actually want to join.
Otherwise it’d have been the post-WW1 League of Nations, which pretty quickly fell apart. The US never even joined the League if I recall, they couldn’t get it through Congress despite it being President Woodrow Wilson’s own pet project.
Ultimately it’s easy to get a small power to join an org that basically serves to limit the options of individual countries by applying international law to them. It’s hard to get a large, powerful country to sign up for that same thing. The smaller country gains from joining, but the strong country actually weakens itself by joining.
Essentially this whole thing further proves that A. Russia can’t fight a war or “special operation” anymore. it can’t fight anyone and B. since it can’t fight anyone it’s incapable of protecting its allies.
Russia is no longer a threat. All Putin can do is condemn, condemn, condemn.
SARGE@startrek.website
on 01 Mar 12:57
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“Vladimir Putin says-”
Lemme stop you right there, pardner.
Don’t care.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 13:36
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“and I would know, I’m the world leader in cynical serial-killing!”
-Putin
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Mar 13:41
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The important question is: how/would it affect Russian economy, military production and capabilities, et cetera. Iran was a key partner to russian war efforts since the very start, providing important support in drone production - e.g. Shahed/Gyran models - and it’s not known to me if it was localized by now. Iran would obviously deprioritize any side project considering the country is itself in a hot war, so some pipelines of specialists and tools may be severed by now.
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and I can’t wait for the same to happen to him!
Translation: Russia got embarrassed again as the world’s biggest Mafia state-run gas station that can’t protect its “allies” for shit
All these empty words from a terrorist state that’s practically incapable of more than bombing civilians. Absolutely pathetic.
Always with the “we stand up to the West” and as soon as one of theirs gets attacked, zero aid or action. No substance whatsoever.
In much the same way that the west did not protect Ukraine despite them voluntarily giving up their nukes. Iran likely sees that and makes it even more desirable to have nukes. Whether they are actively developing them, or that’s a pretext for an invasion that’s once again about oil is yet to be seen.
BUT THE WEST
First off there is support by European countries and the US for Ukraine, though I agree that the decision for giving up their nukes should have come with harder guarantees; second Ukraine wasn’t as connected to the EU or the US as Iran was to Russia.
Russia is in no way legally obliged to help, but we’ve already seen what happens if they are (with Armenia not officially withdrawn, but having stopped paying membership fees and not participating in the CSTO). Russia is projecting weakness and offers no incentive to align with them for other countries, their words in this matter are not only hollow and hypocritical, but also embarrassing because they presented themselves as a military power, yet they only talk once an actual military power attacks an any.
The fact that Zelensky is still alive after four years while Chamenei was killed in the first night of the war (both a result of intelligence) is a very hard reality check, regardless of what one thinks is right or legal, which my post isn’t supposed to claim anything about.
Ukraine gave up their nukes and North Korea didn’t. Only one of those two is fighting a war of survival right now, so I wouldn’t blame Iran for looking to arm up… though I don’t think they’re ‘days away’ now anymore then the last half dozen times Bibi said they were.
The Budapest memorandum of 1994 ensured that the US and UK would "Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”
That happened. It’s a promise to bring the issue to the UN security council for a vote on action. Not a promise to invade any attacking country.
What also happened is that Russia, a seat on the security council, has the power to veto, and a conflicting interest here that the UN decided couldn’t possibly be a problem in the future.
I’m not saying we have done enough.
I am, however, saying that we have held up our end of the agreement, as written on paper.
As far as I’m concerned, my country is 1/3 of the reason they’re in this mess, so we need to step in and directly protect them at the bare minimum. Ukraine isn’t safe until their borders are restored to pre-2014, their infrastructure is repaired and improved, and they have enough to defend themselves from Russia AND the US. And also the government stooges of Russia get put to death for forcing their population to fight and die against an opponent who never wanted a fight to begin with.
Less that, and more that the existence of the Security Council with permanent seats and veto powers was a requirement to get the major powers to actually want to join.
Otherwise it’d have been the post-WW1 League of Nations, which pretty quickly fell apart. The US never even joined the League if I recall, they couldn’t get it through Congress despite it being President Woodrow Wilson’s own pet project.
Ultimately it’s easy to get a small power to join an org that basically serves to limit the options of individual countries by applying international law to them. It’s hard to get a large, powerful country to sign up for that same thing. The smaller country gains from joining, but the strong country actually weakens itself by joining.
Sure buddy. You’ll be dead in a couple of years anyway.
His on the wrong site of the history
Putin being alive is a crime against humanity so… anyways.
Yeah, he would never do cynical murders that violate international law, defenestration notwithstanding.
How many times have you tried to kill Zelenskyy?
What many people don’t know: Putin is an absolute authority when it comes to following international law.
Trump and Netanyahu just gave him a blank check to assassinate whichever European leader he considers a threat
Putin has actively tried to take out Zelensky for the last four years. He can’t do shit to us
I think his point may be that he also murders in violation of international law, but not cynically. /s
Interesting. If he really felt that way, he probably could have called off his cocksucker. I mean. really.
And he should know…
He wanted him for his Pokémon collection
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It’s not really heartbreaking when you know the reason the worst person you know is even talking is to try and distract from their own shit.
Doesn’t make it less true, just less heartbreaking.
OR “Please, stop embarrassing Mother Russia.”
Essentially this whole thing further proves that A. Russia can’t fight a war or “special operation” anymore. it can’t fight anyone and B. since it can’t fight anyone it’s incapable of protecting its allies.
Russia is no longer a threat. All Putin can do is condemn, condemn, condemn.
“Vladimir Putin says-”
Lemme stop you right there, pardner.
Don’t care.
“and I would know, I’m the world leader in cynical serial-killing!”
-Putin
The important question is: how/would it affect Russian economy, military production and capabilities, et cetera. Iran was a key partner to russian war efforts since the very start, providing important support in drone production - e.g. Shahed/Gyran models - and it’s not known to me if it was localized by now. Iran would obviously deprioritize any side project considering the country is itself in a hot war, so some pipelines of specialists and tools may be severed by now.
The audacity of this motherfucker. He’s literally violating international law by invading another country and trying to murder their leader right now!
Says the guy poisoning people in foreign countries and throwing dissenters out of windows.