SorryImLate@piefed.social
on 25 Apr 06:58
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Interesting read but not the same as a Karen in my mind.
Teng Wei, a professor at South China Normal University wrote, “When we use dama as an insult, what we’re really doing is suggesting that there’s something inherently wrong with being a middle-aged woman. It’s ageist, classist — and it’s time to stop.”
Don’t get me wrong, this woman is a Karen and actually quite typical of the mainland China entitlement and behavior. BUT there’s a massive amount of mandarin speaking people in Malaysia to the point where it’s a destination for mainland Chinese. Not excusing her ridiculous behavior but providing context here.
BurnedDonutHole@ani.social
on 25 Apr 05:54
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Unless you experienced Asian racism you didn’t experience racism fully. They don’t like anyone, even their own people. I’ve witness people being racist because someone is from another village let alone a city or country. I wonder if they also hate themselves as well.
Wouldn’t hating someone from another village just be like generic Xenophobia? I can’t imagine two villagers from the same Asian country but two different villages are genetically distinct enough to count as different “races”. Or are we just using “racist” to mean “bigoted”
Very good point, that doesn’t seem like racism to me either
angrystego@lemmy.world
on 25 Apr 07:16
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The word “rasist” is nowadays often used more widely. You’re right about the strict definition. I also think it’s reasonable to use it in a wider sense if the underlying feelings are the same, which seems to be the case here.
But, I mean, English already has a word for that (bigoted).
Having, and properly using, different words for even slightly different concepts is important for efficient and effective communication. If everyone just starts lazily using one word to mean multiple similar concepts, when other words already exist for those concepts, then that just leads to misunderstandings and confusion.
I understand that non-native speakers may not yet have the vocabulary necessary to use the correct words, but that’s an opportunity for them to learn the correct words, not an excuse to dumb down the language.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
on 25 Apr 08:46
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Depends. Many Asian countries consists of many different ethnic groups. So they do see each other as different races.
setsubyou@lemmy.world
on 25 Apr 07:16
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I’ve witness people being racist because someone is from another village
We have this in Germany too. Traditionally, the area where I live hates the area where I was born. These two places are maybe an hour apart and in the same state. All because they were governed by different nobles ages ago who had different ideas about Christianity. Tbh though it was much more of a thing in my parents’ generation.
In Germany, hating others based on where they were born becomes more socially accepted the closer the “other” gets.
Hating people from other countries is bad, hating people from East Germany is problematic, hating people from the neighboring German state is OK and hating people from the neighboring village is funny.
Yes I have experienced the exact same. I was questioned by “locals” when I moved villages. They wanted to know if I was doing enough for the community and keeping up with local events. My man I was born less than 10kms away.
I guess they just prefer inbreeding and keeping the village to themselves. Not realizing without all the new construction and new people the village would have died out 20 years ago.
I play EVE Online which has a decently sized Chinese playerbase and my god those racist fucks would give racists in the west a run for their money. See it daily of “small brained whites” or “The whites are here” or “white pig” or “sleepy whites”.
But as soon as you joke and say “man it looks like the Tianamen Square Massacre of 1989 in here” in local chat they all collectively freak out on you.
Ah yes, all the Swedes I had to ban from my discord for calling my black friends the N word were just being overly enthusiastic.
Fuck you, every country has racists. Racism rises from a lack of empathy, exposure, and education. There’s always cruel, sheltered, idiots running around.
It doesn’t have the same connotation for a non-American. It’s just an edgy word used to elicit a reaction. Like calling someone “gay” 30 years ago.
It’s a “bad” word and shouldn’t be used but it lacks weight when used by a random swede.
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
on 25 Apr 11:57
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Yeah thats a load of horseshit. Especially coming from a swede. Racism began in Europe and the Swedes have a pretty large amount of active nazis. The “weight” is exactly the same and I pity anyone dumb/naive enough to think different…
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I wonder what the Chinese equivalent of a Karen is…
It’s delightful to see this phenomenon happening in another country.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dama
Interesting read but not the same as a Karen in my mind.
Of course it’s not the same. It’s a completely different culture and history.
But Teng Wei’s criticism applies to the “Karen” insult as well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirAsia
I mean, you’re on a budget Malaysian airline flying to Malaysia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
Don’t get me wrong, this woman is a Karen and actually quite typical of the mainland China entitlement and behavior. BUT there’s a massive amount of mandarin speaking people in Malaysia to the point where it’s a destination for mainland Chinese. Not excusing her ridiculous behavior but providing context here.
Rise of the Mandarin-elite?
New world order on its way. I wonder how long it will take Western countries to start offering Mandarin in school.
…Pretty sure it was offered 20 years ago in Scotland, a friend’s son was doing it.
Learning Mandarin in public west europe school has been possible for literal decades.
Rise of the Mandarolians
Unless you experienced Asian racism you didn’t experience racism fully. They don’t like anyone, even their own people. I’ve witness people being racist because someone is from another village let alone a city or country. I wonder if they also hate themselves as well.
Wouldn’t hating someone from another village just be like generic Xenophobia? I can’t imagine two villagers from the same Asian country but two different villages are genetically distinct enough to count as different “races”. Or are we just using “racist” to mean “bigoted”
Very good point, that doesn’t seem like racism to me either
The word “rasist” is nowadays often used more widely. You’re right about the strict definition. I also think it’s reasonable to use it in a wider sense if the underlying feelings are the same, which seems to be the case here.
But, I mean, English already has a word for that (bigoted).
Having, and properly using, different words for even slightly different concepts is important for efficient and effective communication. If everyone just starts lazily using one word to mean multiple similar concepts, when other words already exist for those concepts, then that just leads to misunderstandings and confusion.
I understand that non-native speakers may not yet have the vocabulary necessary to use the correct words, but that’s an opportunity for them to learn the correct words, not an excuse to dumb down the language.
Depends. Many Asian countries consists of many different ethnic groups. So they do see each other as different races.
Race is a social construct, not genetic.
That’s not racism, that’s just being an asshole.
We have this in Germany too. Traditionally, the area where I live hates the area where I was born. These two places are maybe an hour apart and in the same state. All because they were governed by different nobles ages ago who had different ideas about Christianity. Tbh though it was much more of a thing in my parents’ generation.
In Germany, hating others based on where they were born becomes more socially accepted the closer the “other” gets.
Hating people from other countries is bad, hating people from East Germany is problematic, hating people from the neighboring German state is OK and hating people from the neighboring village is funny.
Damn, that’s surprisingly apt.
I mean? If it leads to a mostly harmless rivalry, that’s quite fun.
Somehow, I get the feeling it’s not that.
Yes I have experienced the exact same. I was questioned by “locals” when I moved villages. They wanted to know if I was doing enough for the community and keeping up with local events. My man I was born less than 10kms away.
I guess they just prefer inbreeding and keeping the village to themselves. Not realizing without all the new construction and new people the village would have died out 20 years ago.
I play EVE Online which has a decently sized Chinese playerbase and my god those racist fucks would give racists in the west a run for their money. See it daily of “small brained whites” or “The whites are here” or “white pig” or “sleepy whites”.
But as soon as you joke and say “man it looks like the Tianamen Square Massacre of 1989 in here” in local chat they all collectively freak out on you.
Well man, they just are being mean and you suddenly drop a -100k social credit account bomb with area of effect.
TBH Americans are the only ones who are “racist” by skin colour.
The rest of the world does it by where you live
You haven’t been to asia it seems, we definitely did racism by skin colour as well.
Ah yes, all the Swedes I had to ban from my discord for calling my black friends the N word were just being overly enthusiastic.
Fuck you, every country has racists. Racism rises from a lack of empathy, exposure, and education. There’s always cruel, sheltered, idiots running around.
It doesn’t have the same connotation for a non-American. It’s just an edgy word used to elicit a reaction. Like calling someone “gay” 30 years ago.
It’s a “bad” word and shouldn’t be used but it lacks weight when used by a random swede.
Yeah thats a load of horseshit. Especially coming from a swede. Racism began in Europe and the Swedes have a pretty large amount of active nazis. The “weight” is exactly the same and I pity anyone dumb/naive enough to think different…
Who spends time making excuses for racists saying the N word?
British thing as well. Fuck you if you’re from Derby.
Why Derby in particular?
Found the guy from Derby!
I’ve lived all over t’north, but never Derby. Spent some quality time in the bus station there in the 90s, and that’s about it.
Is this Henry Paker’s account?