UN delegates hold mass walkout as Netanyahu insists Israel must ‘finish job’ in Gaza (www.independent.co.uk)
from throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to world@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 14:47
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RunningInRVA@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 15:07 next collapse

It would be great if they would all walk out on Trump too.

blave@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 15:35 next collapse

Half of them probably fell asleep about 20 minutes into his insane rant

logicbomb@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 16:00 collapse

Twenty minutes is about how long a normal person can be reasonably expected maintain attention, even if the content is interesting. That’s why TED talks are 20 minutes long.

On the other hand, Trump’s rants are mind numbing. You’re either seriously trained at listening, or you have something wrong with your brain, if you can listen to him for more than 2 minutes without zoning out.

SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social on 26 Sep 2025 22:21 next collapse

I tried zoning out, but it doesn’t work for me. I hate him so much, I have to stop whatever is playing his bullshit.

Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 22:31 collapse

I can’t even listen to him for 10 seconds without becoming irrationally angry.

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 26 Sep 2025 23:15 collapse

It’s not irrational when you have valid reasons. The man is infuriating with his ego, lies, projection, and bigotry.

Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:51 next collapse

Thank you, it feels nice to be seen sometimes.

girthero@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 17:43 collapse

and hyperbole usage similar to a 5 year old.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 2025 23:15 collapse

Yeah a lot of trumps shtick was pretty incendiary.

xxce2AAb@feddit.dk on 26 Sep 2025 15:14 next collapse

Like… some sort of Final Solution, you say?

ieatpwns@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 15:23 next collapse

Some sort of option?

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 2025 18:52 next collapse

They told us they’re clearing up the “vermin”.

fossilesque@mander.xyz on 27 Sep 2025 02:42 next collapse

Hans?

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca on 27 Sep 2025 23:08 collapse

Ja?

jimmy90@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 07:18 collapse

i know right!

just in time, phew

this is the peace plan, i know it in my soul, i was reading km this morning, oh it was so good, it just said hamas will make peace to me over and over and over again

yay

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 26 Sep 2025 15:39 next collapse

Not arrest. Not put on trial. Not disarm.

Walkout…

hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Sep 2025 19:26 collapse

US has veto power. There is no possible way for the UN to do anything.

The UN is flawed by design.

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 26 Sep 2025 21:20 next collapse

I am not asking for a legal framework to enforce acts of anti-genocide.

hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Sep 2025 21:57 collapse

Doesn’t matter what you’re asking for. Anything can be vetoed.

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 27 Sep 2025 03:32 collapse

Says a bunch war criminals rotting in jail.

Karjalan@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 22:19 next collapse

Yes it is flawed, but it was basically “give the 5 largest powers veto power, or they don’t participate”. If they don’t participate, it would be even more ornamental than it currently is.

Ideally they would have more power to stop shit like this, but the UN as it stands is better than nothing. They do bring countries together to talk things through that otherwise might not have and have successfully de-escilated issues in the past.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t expect, or push for, better, and I’m not saying this is your view point, but I do see the sentiment that they’re useless/do nothing quite often.

Walking out won’t ultimately achieve much… But it’s at least better than sitting their and letting him feel validated in his psychopathic plans.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:24 next collapse

Russia has veto it vote against any resolution about Ukraine. European countries still provide billions in aid and arms to Ukraine to defend itself . The genocide convention is a bigger authority document than UN resolutions

Agent641@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 02:21 next collapse

The permanent UNSC members with veto power was a huge mistake. But possibly it was nessecary or these members wouldn’t have joined at all and the UN would have been stillborn. The US now has cast more vetoes than the rest of the UNSC permanent members combined

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 10:07 next collapse

Its been flawed for a pretty long time at this point. The fact that Russia has remained a member for all these years is proof enough of that.

F_State@midwest.social on 27 Sep 2025 10:43 collapse

Yeah, but at the time the US could have fought every nation on the planet to a standtill and the USSR could have fought every nation on the planet but the US to a standstill, so there was no way to not make them permanent members of the security council with veto power since they could just ignore other countries if they wanted.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 15:41 next collapse

It would be great if they all just recognized Palestine as a country and cut all trade with Israel immediately until they stopped. Instead of a symbolic walk out, actually walk out of their lives… And you can verify if they cut their shit out

biofaust@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 17:15 next collapse

Why until they stopped?

TheRealKuni@piefed.social on 26 Sep 2025 18:34 collapse

Because there need to be reasons to participate in society properly. If it’s “we’re cutting you off from all trade and never restarting it,” there’s no incentive for them to change their behavior. Sanctions always give a reason.

Punishment isn’t a good motivator of human behavior, reinforcement is.

SalaciousBCrumb@lemy.lol on 26 Sep 2025 18:39 next collapse

Israel should not be coming back, it needs to be replaced by a country representing the indigenous land owners and not European colonisers.

Nastybutler@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 18:51 next collapse

Jews believe they are the indigenous land owners. That’s what this whole thing is about.

Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 19:50 collapse

Yes and POTUS believes that Tylenol causes Autism. Just because leaders believe something doesn’t make it true.

Nastybutler@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 19:59 collapse

So you don’t believe Jews used to inhabit Israel, despite the evidence? They do have a valid reason for making a claim to the land, which is entirely different from your example

Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 20:04 next collapse

No I believe that they were originally from that spot between Egypt and Israel until they moved to Egypt and then to Israel after they committed genocide and killing the people that lived there before them. Then they got booted out of Israel and lived other places. They have less claim to the land than the people that were there in the 1800s. Have you not read the Bible?

FishFace@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 20:38 collapse

Given that answer, and that Palestinians don’t currently live in the bits of the region that Israel occupies (whether legally or illegally) it seems you understand that if you leave a place you don’t have an eternal right to move back there, but that nevertheless for some length of time you retain such a claim.

I think that’s the key to understanding why it can get a bit complicated…

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Sep 2025 20:39 next collapse

It’s a bit different when you’re forcibly removed from your home, no?

FishFace@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 22:47 collapse

Yes, but I think that supports restarting from the 1940s, not from the 1700s. By 1947 there were hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the territory that now forms Israel and Palestine.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Sep 2025 23:55 collapse

They were moved there by European colonialists who didn’t give a shit about the natives who already lived there.

FishFace@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 22:56 collapse

“Moved there by European colonialists”? Which colonialists were these who were picking up European Jews and dropping them off in Palestine?

Jews mostly moved there due to getting sick of being repeatedly pogromed in Europe. So if by “moved there by” you mean “repeatedly forced out by” then kinda.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Sep 2025 03:56 collapse

After WW2? Are you kidding? Read a history book

Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 20:45 next collapse

It is only complicated because of after ww2 the allies decided to carve up land that they did not own and did not ask the people who lived there where boarders should be. They also kicked out those that lived in Palestine and gave it to people who had not lived there in over 400 years. When outsiders who don’t live in an area make decisions for those that do shit goes wrong.

FishFace@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 22:45 collapse

People say this all the time but this is not the reason it’s complicated. There were already hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the region by that point - Zionist migration to Palestine started in the 19th century, and that had been the cause of tensions for decades already. Hundreds of thousands more wanted to leave the Europe that had just tried to murder them again. If the Allies had just decided to bugger off and leave them to it the result would have been far from peaceful. As it was, they tried to achieve a compromise through the UN. They failed at that task but not because they “decided to carve up land.” Britain in particular refused to implement the partition plan recommended by the UN special committee because it was not acceptable to the Arabs.

Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:04 next collapse

In 1947 jews made up 32% of the population in Palestine 630,000 out of 1,970,000. In 1948 jews made up 82% 716,700 out of 872,700. Somebody must have moved over a million people out of Palestine to make Israel. Forcibly removing people that had lived there since it was owned by the Ottoman Empire would make them angry and wanting their land back.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:18 collapse

Zionism among jews who never left Palestine was not popular, Israel couldn’t exists with only the local jews alone. European jews who lost the connection to the land had are the reason why Israel was created and had zero right to the land

FishFace@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 23:01 collapse

So do you think that now, in 2025, Jewish families who moved to Palestine in 1925 have no right to be there?

mrdown@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 23:17 collapse

I never said that. I said the Zionist foreigners back then has no right to impose a state on the local population . Their descendent can’t be displaced because they where born in Israel

It’s like saying that European settlers in America had no right to take control on most of the land back in the 15 centuries is a call to expel all current Americans back to Europe

FishFace@lemmy.world on 28 Sep 2025 21:24 collapse

ok

3abas@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 03:00 collapse

This isn’t ancient history, this is so within our memorable lifetime. Palestinians were slaughtered and forced out within living memory and a lot of them are still alive and have the keys to they’re stolen homes.

Jacob from New York does not have the same claim to the land his ancestors occupied thousands of years ago, as the Palestinian who built the literal house he stole after living on the land occupied by her ancestors for all recorded history.

It’s not complicated at all.

F_State@midwest.social on 27 Sep 2025 10:38 collapse

You left out the part when Israelis continuing forcing Palestinians off their land to this day.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:16 next collapse

When your ancestors lives in another continent for centuries you lose your connection and can’t have any claim or force a state on the local population . The ancestry argument is very stupid

F_State@midwest.social on 27 Sep 2025 10:37 collapse

Jewish people have more current claim to Brooklyn than they do to the land that corresponds to ancient Israel and Judea.

FishFace@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 20:39 next collapse

Sounds like you want revenge colonialism.

It’s nice to see that you and Israel can agree on the desirability of a forever war and ethnic cleansing…

mrdown@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 23:20 collapse

We want a one state solution because thanks to Israel fault of building illegal settlements a two state solution is no longer possible . Nobody advocate for kicking out all Israeli from the land

FishFace@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 23:00 collapse

A two state solution is still possible. Israel kicked all the settlers out of Gaza once, and it can be done with other settlements too. It’s only infeasible because no country that matters is willing to stand up to Netanyahu in a way that matters. But without doing that, there’s also no way to enact whatever counter-genocide it is you’re advocating.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 23:16 collapse

There was only 9000 settlers in Gaza. Here we are talking about 700k . Israel will probably do the same with Arabs and will be transferred to the new state which will be in a such economical weakness .

 counter-genocide it is you’re advocating.

I said i advocate for a white state solution with equal rights so nobody is going to be genocide or ethnically cleansing stop being disingenuous

RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz on 27 Sep 2025 08:27 collapse

What happens to the people living in Israel currently?

F_State@midwest.social on 27 Sep 2025 10:34 collapse

Some Israelis are living in the land of their grandfathers but most of them have countries of origin they can be returned to. If that would be bad for them, there’s always countries they can emigrate to. But most solutions that aren’t zionist or “two state” are along the lines of “abolish the ethnostate and replace it with a real democracy” in which case the people currently living in Israel (minus those guilty of crimes against humanity) largely go about their lives as they did before.

RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz on 27 Sep 2025 10:54 collapse

Reminds me of how they’re sending people packing in the US. At what point are you allowed to stay on the land

biofaust@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 18:43 next collapse

A colonial project is not a human. Neither is a country btw, but that’s not what we are talking about here anyway.

SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml on 26 Sep 2025 19:36 collapse

The starving peasant, outside the class system is the first among the exploited to discover that only violence pays. For him there is no compromise, no possible coming to terms; colonization and decolonization is simply a question of relative strength.

  • Frantz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth

For the starving people of Gaza, who have lived their entire lives in what amounts to the world’s largest concentration camp, the time for “changed behaviour” from Israel is long passed, if it was ever there to begin with.

kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Sep 2025 23:29 next collapse

Great, we can keep being perpetually blood feuding with eachother for all eternity, great solution, once we’ve exiled and eradicated all hateful people the remainder will live in peace and prosperity forever.

(It’s not like that thinking isn’t basically how we got here or anything)

SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml on 27 Sep 2025 01:47 next collapse

Great, we can keep being perpetually blood feuding with eachother for all eternity, great solution, once we’ve exiled and eradicated all hateful people the remainder will live in peace and prosperity forever.

This is not Fanon’s point, nor is it mine. The Wretched of The Earth Is a seminal text on colonialism for good reason. In it, Fanon is grappling with what it means for the colonized to violently resist.

The settler state is already violent. We just don’t usually conceive of state violence as such. Fanon is correct in the same way that the way to deal with a schoolyard bully is to stand up and confront him. Not appeal to his better angels.

(It’s not like that thinking isn’t basically how we got here or anything)

This misunderstands the situation. This isn’t some ancient conflict where both sides are equivalent. The Israeli state is the aggressor here, and that aggression has a clear beginning, with at least the Nakbah.

The land itself is the thing being fought over. Not some nebulous blood feud. The land, the capacity to live on it, work on it, cultivate it, to have history on that land. These are things being denied to the native Palestinians by the Israeli state.

The solution here is the right of return for all displaced Palestinians, restoration of their civil liberties, language rights, etc. So they might be able govern themselves, as they see fit.

For a colonized people the most essential value, because it is the most concrete, is first and foremost the land: the land which will bring them bread and, above all, dignity -The Wretched of The Earth

3abas@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 02:48 collapse

What we are asking for is not violence, what we are asking for is a free Palestine for all its citizens, regardless of religion. We want the religious ethno-supremacist state built on our stolen land to become free.

We aren’t asking for blood, and we aren’t asking to exile or eradicate anyone.

(It’s not like that thinking isn’t basically how we got here or anything)

You’re blaming two years of genocide on a single act of violent resistance. How we got here is 500 of our villages destroyed, many massacres against our people, 700 thousand of us expelled from our ancestral homelands, and 77 years of oppression and shooting our kids while calling us animals and snakes.

History will reflect October 7 as the Gaza ghetto uprising that it was, violent resistance to 75 years of dehumanizing us and colonizing our land, and 16 years of military siege on our people in Gaza.

Imagine telling Jews in WW2 they should have died peacefully because resisting violently is how we got here.

RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz on 27 Sep 2025 08:25 collapse

Well clearly their form of fighting against Israel is going well for them.

ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 16:56 collapse

boy that infant really shouldn’t have let that cluster bomb fall on his head was he even trying

RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz on 27 Sep 2025 17:26 collapse

I don’t think infants are the ones deciding the method of resistance lol

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 02:48 collapse

israel and the united states would leave the UN if they did this

LordCrom@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 02:54 next collapse

That would be for the best since the US has veto rights over everything, basically.

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 16:52 collapse

or it might mean that the UN would no longer serve a purpose because it wouldn’t have any influence over the belligerents

zqps@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 11:21 collapse

lol no way in hell they’re gonna give up their permanent Security council seat, that would be the best thing they could ever do for the UN

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 16:55 collapse

you give the president of the us too much benefit of the doubt

Snowclone@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 16:12 next collapse

Really wish the UN had some kind of method to stop counties from clearly and openly committing genocide

Damage@feddit.it on 26 Sep 2025 16:27 collapse

It’s called war, but it’s not very popular, especially when waged with no economic incentives. Just look at how many Europeans complain about sending help to Ukraine, not even troops.

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DarkDecay@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 17:31 next collapse

He’s a war criminal. He’s lucky that’s all they did

Tattorack@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 18:47 next collapse

Tony Blair to rule Gaza for five years. What the fuck is that weird ass fan fiction of reality!? XD

WanderingThoughts@europe.pub on 26 Sep 2025 19:46 collapse

“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.”

— Antonio Gramsci

FarrellPerks@feddit.uk on 26 Sep 2025 19:40 next collapse

“Just let me finish up this genocide really quick, please guys…”

Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca on 26 Sep 2025 19:42 next collapse

What performative wankery. A bunch of them are just sitting down clapping. Did he still speak? Was he arrested?

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca on 26 Sep 2025 19:46 next collapse

Oh wow, some people walked out in an ineffectual symbolic gesture.

merdaverse@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 2025 21:09 next collapse

Weird times when Ireland’s PM is the voice of reason at the UN

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 02:21 next collapse

One of many voices of reason. Many nom Western countries are on the right side of history on this one.

Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 19:07 collapse

When have they not been?

merdaverse@lemmy.world on 28 Sep 2025 10:22 collapse

This guy is from a centre right party. Not exactly my first ranked choice (or any for that matter).

Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world on 28 Sep 2025 10:58 collapse

So? Both of Irelands leading political parties since the foundation of the state are centre right. There has never been a non-centre right party in power.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 26 Sep 2025 23:30 next collapse

i’m going to say something that i’m sure people are going to hate and i may be banned for saying it. buts its just an opinion based on decades and decades of history…

If Israel doesn’t finish this now, it is just going to happen again. Its painful to watch, but its the truth. Netanyahu is an ass, but he’s right. A two state solution is a fantasy pipe dream that will never ever work.

Schmoo@slrpnk.net on 26 Sep 2025 23:52 next collapse

Ah, yes, because there’s only two options: a two state solution or the complete extermination of the entire Palestinian population. Is it really so difficult to imagine one state with equal rights for all? It’s not going to be easy getting there after all that’s taken place, but it is the only path to justice.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 00:33 collapse

Its not that difficult. In fact that state already exists.

PanGodofPanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Sep 2025 01:38 next collapse

Implying Israel has equal right for Palestinians, anywhere in its territory, is so comically out of touch we can only interpret it as bait.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 01:41 collapse

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Kn…

0x0@infosec.pub on 27 Sep 2025 02:31 collapse

This is great proof of your inability to count lol

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 10:00 collapse

proof of your inability to read.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:54 next collapse

It was arbitrarily drawn on a map by people from a country half a globe away, fuck off with that manifest destiny bullshit

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 02:11 collapse

where did i mention manifest destiny?

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 02:54 collapse

palestine is part of israel. if israel were a democracy, palestine wouldn’t be the prison that it is

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 10:02 collapse

israel is more of a democracy at this point than the united states.

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 16:54 collapse

there is nothing like gaza in the united states

oppy1984@lemdro.id on 27 Sep 2025 00:13 next collapse

A two state solution will not work, correct. That is why the world must come together and kick the genocidal Israelis out of the Palestinians land.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 00:37 next collapse

I don’t know why people like you can’t seem to comprehend the idea that the Israelis have been living in the region for thousands of years. Yes a lot of Israelis returned to Israel in 20th century, but it is their ancestral homeland (Jews were expelled from the region – you are aware that they were subject to forced expulsion, aren’t you?), and the fact of the matter is european migration to the area goes back to the 1500s. Those migrants didn’t steal their land and they didn’t just come uninvited.

And both sides have acted in a genocidal manner toward the other at this point. Many people would argue that Israel has even restrained itself. If you want to sit there and act as if Gazans wouldn’t kill every single jew in Israel given the opportunity you can go ahead and delude yourself, but they have already stated that they would and the rest of the middle east serves as extremely good evidence of the violently homogenized culture of the region.

You cannot just pick and choose the parts of history which serve your purpose.

syreus@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:22 collapse

My ancestral homeland is your house. I have paperwork to prove it. Please make the unit ready for resettlement ASAP or I’ll be forced to starve children. I know it’s a tough job but someone has to do it because that’s what my 20 minutes of skimming Wikipedia taught me.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 01:26 collapse

I know we don’t like reddit here, but this post contains just a smidgin of my potential rebuttal.

reddit.com/…/around_the_turn_of_the_16th_century_…

syreus@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:43 collapse

Don’t be dense. There are no historical land ties that can justify this genocide.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 01:45 collapse

im not using these land ties to justify genocide, only to show that your point, while i know its sarcastic, doesn’t really hold much weight. Jews were literally invited to the region by the ottomans.

syreus@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:57 collapse

Israelis and Palastinians are both descendants of the Canaanites that lived in the area back during the Bronze Age. None of that matters.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 02:09 collapse

i am aware. its too bad other people here aren’t – or just, seemingly, refuse to acknowledge it.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:47 collapse

But that would cause the dame problem but in reverse. What do you do with all the Israelis who were born and raised there?

I am not defending Isreal. It’s just the reality of the situation. I hate what Isreal is doing. But it feels like people forget that hamas is just as horrible.

Soleos@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 00:50 next collapse

By that logic, Hitler/Nazis should have finished the job too so there would be world peace. If millenia of history and the present is anything to go by, nations keep going to war with each other, so coexistence will never work in the long term.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 00:52 collapse

Were the jews violently attacking the germans prior to the holocaust?

Soleos@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:14 next collapse

The comparison I’m making is to Nazi Germany’s war for global domination. So yes, there was Jewish armed resistance in occupied Europe. Now, I don’t condone Hamas’s massacre of civilians and hostage taking. I do believe Palestinians have a right to armed resistance in the face of Israel’s control over Palestinian sovereignty and the continued extreme injustices they’ve been inflicting on Palestinians collectively.

I was pointing to a distinction in the logic of “rightness”. If you ignore morality, then yes, eradicating a population will effectively stop groups within it from continuing to attack you in the future. However, with morality, genocide is wrong. It’s the same reason why wiping Israel off the map would finish things and end the IDF’s war crimes. However, it would still be morally wrong.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 01:17 collapse

This is a very poor comparison. I think you already know that though.

Soleos@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:35 collapse

Well, my friend, I’m glad you’re not disputing the point, despite the poor comparison. I wish you peace and love :)

Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 01:42 collapse

which is more than they hope for children in palestine

Schmoo@slrpnk.net on 27 Sep 2025 04:10 collapse

You can’t act like Israel was just peacefully minding its own business when Hamas attacked. Israel was founded by ethnic cleansing and had been slowly trying to finish the job for decades by forcing Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas, taking control of their utilities and resources, and depriving them of their rights. Oct. 7th gave Israel an excuse to escalate what they had already been doing.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 09:58 collapse

I love how you guys try to push this dishonest argument that everything started in 1948. It did not. Things happened before that. There was violence on both sides, with full blown pogroms breaking out in 1920, 1921, and 1929. Arabs were offered a much bigger chunk of the region, they refused it because they wanted all of the land which would have meant the eradication of the jews in the region, much as has occurred elsewhere throughout the middle east. The Jews fought back with Israel and people like you just don’t seem to like it.

I’m so tired of getting in this repeated argument about this very same thing with people like you who just refuse to acknowledge history before 1948. The history matters, no matter how much you want to try to ignore it.

zqps@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 11:35 collapse

Jews and arabs have always lived in the region. The notion that an ethnostate is necessary because it’s the only way for them to be safe is a propaganda myth and also inherently illogical.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 11:37 collapse

what the hell are you talking about? look at the jewish populations in nearly every single country in the middle east compared to what they were at the beginning of the 20th century.

I will block anyone who tries to be this disingenuous with their statements. You aren’t worth my time.

Schmoo@slrpnk.net on 27 Sep 2025 16:15 collapse

“Jews and Muslims can’t coexist and it’s all the Muslims’ fault, that’s why we have to force Muslims off their land and establish a Jewish ethnostate. We have a right to it anyway because god gave it to us or whatever. How dare they fight back!”

This is your argument, and we are the ones being disingenuous?

zqps@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 11:29 collapse

Israel has militarily attacked 6 different countries in the last few weeks. So what exactly is the scope of what they supposed to finish?

Fascists do not stop at any point because they cannot. Their power is predicated on eternal war. Not even achieving their insane plan for a “greater Israel” would be enough. The radicalisation based on fear and supremacy does not end when an arbitrary goal is achieved. They absolutely must be stopped.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 27 Sep 2025 11:32 collapse

I don’t agree with you on your point about finishing the job.

How is Israel fascist?

EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Sep 2025 00:59 next collapse

Apparently, Israel hacked phones in Gaza to blast out Netanyahu’s speech as he was giving it. If that had happened in the Superman movie, the audience would have said that’s a bit too comic book villainous.

LordCrom@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 02:52 collapse

That’s some straight up Joker shenanigans.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 07:48 collapse

Id say that’s more red skull or scarecrow personally, Joker generally only cares about it for folks who are in on the joke IE have context.

girthero@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 17:39 collapse

Umm first Batman movie where the Joker took control of all the tv stations for his “makeup product”?

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 2025 18:46 collapse

I forgo

Formfiller@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 01:49 next collapse

Finish its final solution. He should have been rotting in prison a long time ago

Iheartcheese@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 03:43 next collapse

He’s gonna do it and my tax dollars are gonna pay for it.

Mrkawfee@feddit.uk on 27 Sep 2025 06:11 next collapse

By contrast the wanted war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu received over FIFTY standing ovations when he addressed the US Congress last year.

Doomsider@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 07:52 next collapse

Imagine a world where the US respected the International Criminal Court and this man was arrested the minute he set foot on American soil.

thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 10:05 collapse

Ok, so hear me out. The ICC is a UN body. The UN headquarters is international soil. Why couldn’t the UN security services arrest him and send him to stand trial at the ICC?

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip on 27 Sep 2025 10:20 next collapse

Trump would then go gaga against the ICC.

Tortellinius@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 17:49 collapse

Why is a criminal according to the UN with a arrest warrant by the UN allowed to speak at the UN?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 17:48 next collapse

How would they get him out of the building?

Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 18:58 collapse

Because of this the American Service Members Protection Act

The act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court.

This authorization led to the act being nicknamed “The Hague Invasion Act”, since the act would allow the president to order military action in The Hague, the seat of the ICC, to prevent American or allied officials and military personnel from being prosecuted or detained by the ICC.

The subsection (b) specifies this authority shall extend to “Covered United States persons” (members of the (“Armed Forces of the United States”), elected or appointed officials of the United States Government, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the United States Government) and “Covered allied persons” (military personnel, elected or appointed officials, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally including Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand).

F_State@midwest.social on 27 Sep 2025 10:28 next collapse

Cool but have those countries ended trade with Israel? Declared sanctions? Sent military aid to the PLO? Establish a no-fly zone? I’m glad this happened, its a start, but it’s not enough and Gaza is running out of time.

VampirePenguin@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 2025 16:36 next collapse

I’m so sick of all of the performative grandstanding. Grab this fucker and throw him in a deep hole. Nice walkout guys, you really showed him.

olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca on 28 Sep 2025 04:11 collapse

The final solution to the Palestinian question?