BBC doing some honest reporting now that it’s too late to stop the Zios.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 02 Sep 15:11
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Nothing more classic than dragging their feet recognizing genocide until “oh shucks, it’s to late to do anything; guess we don’t have to take any accountability or make difficult decisions now” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In 20 years the BBC will make a documentary narrated in a solemn voice about how a generic “we” failed to stop this.
yarrage@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Sep 21:47
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Hmm, maybe, just maybe world leaders should listen to world’s leading experts, you know?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
on 01 Sep 23:30
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No shit.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
on 02 Sep 00:59
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I genuinely believe that the vast, vast majority of people on this planet who are aware of the situation in Gaza can see that it’s a genocide and that Israel is criminal.
I don’t have anything to base it on, but I just have a feeling that we’ve reached a turning point in how Israel is perceived globally. I don’t know what that will mean in the future, but I think it’ll mean something big.
Practically everyone I’ve spoken to irl, even those more conservative inclined, feel the same. Even if you take into account that people are likely to be surrounded by people who hold at least similar opinions to them it really feels like this is the case and has been for a minute now.
A) yes the view is changing
B) it’s not going to be big because it’s a small conflict in a tiny country.
Could you elaborate what this is supposed to mean?
They are not going to be wiped off the map soon and neither are they going to reform their country and have peace for everyone.
Respectfully, I think you’re repeating a widespread myth: this is not an immovable situation. Israel’s system of apartheid is actually very cumbersome and expensive, and the country has been very weakened over the last two years. It really isn’t hard for me to see this government collapse in the next three years.
It’s hard for israel to completely crash when the usa is still sending billions to israel and the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style. People are still votibg for people still claiming that israel has the right to defend itself against the people it occupy
Israel has clearly lost most of the Democratic voter base. They’re losing conservatives too, but it’s really hard to overstate the importance of losing Democratic support. American Jews are increasingly unwilling to support the Zionist project, and Israel has always depended greatly on international support for everything from financial assistance to providing the actual Jewish bodies who are needed to actually move into settlements and birth more Israeli Jews.
We’re not far from a day when Israel loses access to their US weapons and tech infrastructure. But their economy was never designed to work without American Jews visiting and moving to Israel.
Personally, I’d like to see the international community force the adoption of a democratic one state solution. And I think that’s no less far-fetched than something like a return to the previous status quo.
Losing the base means nothing if we keep voting for pro isrsel leaders. I am not going to get fooled by actions like a meanless palestinian state recognition with no security guarentees and no army to defend itself or sanctions 1 or 2 predominent settlers
You’re quoting a neonazi white supremacist to assert what? That Israel rules over us?
Come on, that’s not a good look is it.
6nk06@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Sep 11:22
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And a pedophile according to Wikipedia.
ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de
on 02 Sep 12:57
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Sorry did not know that was a supremacist. I just remembered that quote from somewhere. Regardless of the source, it rings true. Be it Israel, trump, religion, etc.
Just looked up the Wikipedia article. That guy was seriously fucked up.
My bad.
Whoever downvoted you is wrong. You made a mistake, owned up, and learned from it. That is admirable. More power to your elbow, friend. (And always look up the people you’re quoting!)
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Sep 09:10
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Do those world leading experts have down syndrome? Took them a while to figure something out we all saw happening for a long time now.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Sep 14:33
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Wow. Way to insult a whole bunch of people who had nothing to do with this.
foggianism@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 09:34
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Well I’m not an expert, but I could tell a long time ago that Israel is commiting a genocide.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 11:35
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My only wish is that Americans would shut up and get in the back of the line as they only cheapen any attempt to help Palestine. My country got wrecked by Americans who are now moralizing and being the world police again. I wish they would just sit down and let another country lead the charge.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Sep 13:14
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I mean if it’s any consolation, America under the leadership of Trump or Vance isn’t going to do jack shit to help Palestine or anyone else. They’re literally fucking over their own people and telling them that empathy is a sickness.
Rest assured if any country is going to be leading the charge it won’t be America. The entire country is on the verge of complete collapse. I would actually be more surprised if it doesn’t happen at this point. It’s pretty much inevitable. That’s not hyperbole, collapse of the U.S. and democracy and division into smaller city state monarchies is literally the goal of this administration. If that happens, North Korea levels of isolationist policy is the only possible outcome.
Fuck Israel. It’s time to forget what happened in 1940-45 and realise that Israel is doing the exact thing that the nazis used to do against anyone who they didn’t like. Israel does not like any Palestinian. So let’s be honest here and forget history for a minute and look at what is happening in Gaza. Hamas is rotten to the core but Israel is looking even worse now.
Also, why aren’t any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net
on 02 Sep 15:05
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I get where you’re coming from, but slow your roll on “It’s time to forget what happened in 1940-45”.
Understanding history is a vital part of not repeating mistakes.
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BBC doing some honest reporting now that it’s too late to stop the Zios.
Nothing more classic than dragging their feet recognizing genocide until “oh shucks, it’s to late to do anything; guess we don’t have to take any accountability or make difficult decisions now” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In 20 years the BBC will make a documentary narrated in a solemn voice about how a generic “we” failed to stop this.
Hmm, maybe, just maybe world leaders should listen to world’s leading experts, you know?
No shit.
I genuinely believe that the vast, vast majority of people on this planet who are aware of the situation in Gaza can see that it’s a genocide and that Israel is criminal.
I don’t have anything to base it on, but I just have a feeling that we’ve reached a turning point in how Israel is perceived globally. I don’t know what that will mean in the future, but I think it’ll mean something big.
Practically everyone I’ve spoken to irl, even those more conservative inclined, feel the same. Even if you take into account that people are likely to be surrounded by people who hold at least similar opinions to them it really feels like this is the case and has been for a minute now.
A) yes the view is changing B) it’s not going to be big because it’s a small conflict in a tiny country. Could you elaborate what this is supposed to mean?
They are not going to be wiped off the map soon and neither are they going to reform their country and have peace for everyone.
Main thing about the conflict is how stuck it is.
Respectfully, I think you’re repeating a widespread myth: this is not an immovable situation. Israel’s system of apartheid is actually very cumbersome and expensive, and the country has been very weakened over the last two years. It really isn’t hard for me to see this government collapse in the next three years.
It’s hard for israel to completely crash when the usa is still sending billions to israel and the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style. People are still votibg for people still claiming that israel has the right to defend itself against the people it occupy
I think my point stands.
Israel has clearly lost most of the Democratic voter base. They’re losing conservatives too, but it’s really hard to overstate the importance of losing Democratic support. American Jews are increasingly unwilling to support the Zionist project, and Israel has always depended greatly on international support for everything from financial assistance to providing the actual Jewish bodies who are needed to actually move into settlements and birth more Israeli Jews.
We’re not far from a day when Israel loses access to their US weapons and tech infrastructure. But their economy was never designed to work without American Jews visiting and moving to Israel.
Personally, I’d like to see the international community force the adoption of a democratic one state solution. And I think that’s no less far-fetched than something like a return to the previous status quo.
Losing the base means nothing if we keep voting for pro isrsel leaders. I am not going to get fooled by actions like a meanless palestinian state recognition with no security guarentees and no army to defend itself or sanctions 1 or 2 predominent settlers
I think the current government can be gotten rid of and a new government may handle things differently. That’s about as good as it will get.
Trump and whoever comes after him when he croaks will still support Israel.
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Why do we need experts to remind us of the definition of genocide
Because apparently there are some really, really dumb fuckers out there, and they make decisions for the rest of us.
Well, duh!
“If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize.” - Kevin Alfred Strom
Funny how with any other country the west has a hair trigger with calling out genocide, but Israel gets a free pass somehow.
You’re quoting a neonazi white supremacist to assert what? That Israel rules over us?
Come on, that’s not a good look is it.
And a pedophile according to Wikipedia.
Sorry did not know that was a supremacist. I just remembered that quote from somewhere. Regardless of the source, it rings true. Be it Israel, trump, religion, etc.
Just looked up the Wikipedia article. That guy was seriously fucked up. My bad.
Whoever downvoted you is wrong. You made a mistake, owned up, and learned from it. That is admirable. More power to your elbow, friend. (And always look up the people you’re quoting!)
Do those world leading experts have down syndrome? Took them a while to figure something out we all saw happening for a long time now.
Wow. Way to insult a whole bunch of people who had nothing to do with this.
Yeah, using Downs as an insult isn’t cool.
Well I’m not an expert, but I could tell a long time ago that Israel is commiting a genocide.
My only wish is that Americans would shut up and get in the back of the line as they only cheapen any attempt to help Palestine. My country got wrecked by Americans who are now moralizing and being the world police again. I wish they would just sit down and let another country lead the charge.
I mean if it’s any consolation, America under the leadership of Trump or Vance isn’t going to do jack shit to help Palestine or anyone else. They’re literally fucking over their own people and telling them that empathy is a sickness.
Rest assured if any country is going to be leading the charge it won’t be America. The entire country is on the verge of complete collapse. I would actually be more surprised if it doesn’t happen at this point. It’s pretty much inevitable. That’s not hyperbole, collapse of the U.S. and democracy and division into smaller city state monarchies is literally the goal of this administration. If that happens, North Korea levels of isolationist policy is the only possible outcome.
Fuck Israel. It’s time to forget what happened in 1940-45 and realise that Israel is doing the exact thing that the nazis used to do against anyone who they didn’t like. Israel does not like any Palestinian. So let’s be honest here and forget history for a minute and look at what is happening in Gaza. Hamas is rotten to the core but Israel is looking even worse now. Also, why aren’t any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
I get where you’re coming from, but slow your roll on “It’s time to forget what happened in 1940-45”.
Understanding history is a vital part of not repeating mistakes.
Israel IS repeating what was done in WW2.
Jesus fucking christ, do you really need to have what he meant spelled out to you in fucking crayon???
He means lets stop allowing them to hide behind 6 million dead people to deflect, or worse, justify, what they are doing today.
Israel was always worse than hamas
Because the last time they did, most of the Sinai peninsula ended up under Israeli control.