Pentagon says it will offer 'more limited' support to US allies
(www.bbc.com)
from avidamoeba@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 07:50
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from avidamoeba@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 07:50
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High time we stop buying weapons from the US. The only reason paying the wildly overpriced gear is to have them provide military support when needed. If that’s not happening… then it makes no sense spending that money. Build it locally or buy it from the cheapest supplier.
That has already happened, looking at the orders placed and what it means for the US military industrial companies, they are about to lose hundreds of man years when looking at the loss of new orders and service contracts.
This channel has done several break downs of the Trump regime’s politics with regards to weapon system orders:
youtu.be/m1387Gm9KiE
Military industrial will just do what they’ve done in the past: invest heavily in some European-accepted non-US arms company, shift the board and funding over, and allow it to absorb the US-side of the business. This playbook happened in WWI and WWII. Check out who is investing in Ukraine to become the new center of drone manufacturing, which is the newest big tech.
Everyone else is making deals to partner with Ukraine, Co produce weapons in Ukraine and learn everything they can from the only modern battlefield there is.
Drumpf is cutting them loose and leaving the US in the last century
The enshittification on NATO: why not switch to our premium ally tier?
NATO Gold membership, as in give Trump gold snd he might not invade?
“Nice, eh, country you’se gots there. Shame if someone invaded it.”
Pentagon says they are out of NATO. NATO says “we know.”
No shit sherlock.
It’s incomprehensible that NATO allows the USA to make arms sales in enormous quantities, access military bases all over the world, and have subservient intelligence services in major countries only in exchange for the promise of perhaps protecting them in the event of an attack, something they haven’t done even once in almost 80 years, now they’re giving that up and the American people are applauding… well, I have no idea why, because having a black president was too much for some, I suppose.
it’s almost as if NATO exists to strengthen capitalism and its drive for profits instead of protect against attacks that were never going to happen anyway.
Funny that Sweden and Finland didn’t feel the need to join until the very attack you say didn’t happen, did
what attack was that?
There is only one war in Europe mate, try harder
so ww2? you mean before nato?
Do you think Russia is not a capitalist country lol? Tankard
… russia is capitalist. what are you on about? hatred of one bad does not mean love of the other. grow.
But boy what a stupid move it proved to be to join Nato in panic. Historic blunder by Finland and Sweden.
Rescued to a sinking ship with a mad captain, where the mid-level officers are just running around in disbelief, unable to decide between doubling down on loyalty to the captain or taking command for themselves. Who will the captain shoot next? Will he shoot at all against the people he’s sworn to protect you from?
What a load of shite you write
Ok, NVM Trump is great, super reliableand Nato is not at all in a state of disrepair. Got it.
Swede here.
Trump is temporary, the dammage to the US will take more than a century to repair, but NATO is more than just the US.
Even if the US leaves NATO, the rest of the alliance will be stronger together than apart.
When it was created in the 1950s, the possibility of an attack was very reasonable; I’m not referring to that. What I mean is that all those advantages have never required their cost to actually be paid, not that it couldn’t eventually be paid at some point.
I am also sure that the cost would have been paid if it had been necessary, at least for almost the entire duration of the agreement; the last 10 years may have been somewhat different.
Relevant.
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You can guess how much love I have for US allies.
Well yeah. Nobody is counting on you for shit anymore, because of the orange man toddler. We are rearming Europe as fast as is sensible. We still have that detaching from Russian energy thing going no.
We also have a massive surge of far right extremists weasling their way into governments all across Europe, and they keep in touch, it’s like they are gunning for taking over the EU, honestly. They need to be… You know. Taken care of permanently, I feel like, or they are gonna start building camps again.
We know
I always thought the global order would collapse because of some competing entities gaining superior strategic leverage, not because the biggest one just started dismantling itself from within…
Divide et impera. Well played, Putin, can’t argue with results.
Does this mean the “Pacific Pivot” cope will finally stop and yanks will admit that Trump just wants to burn down all their alliances?
LOL. The thing everyone but Trump understands is that the US hasn’t been “helping” its allies out of altruism. Its money. Everyone wants money. Allies want money, the US wants money. Everyone can make more money if there’s a US military base just over the horizon because everyone can just be cool.
Trump has always been transactional. He doesn’t understand equity, or good will, or anything that doesn’t product an immediate tangible benefit. Why invest in a partnership if that partner isn’t enriching him personally.
He was playing fart of the deal with Australia a few months back. Wanted our military budget to be 3% of GDP (its about half that). In the end he gave us a pass because he was scared we would do rare earth deals with China.
Yes hes doing incalculable damage to relationships while hes around, but these alliances have been built over decades, even millennia. They will outlast the Trump era, which only has months left to run id say.
NATO standardization of things like ammunition has enabled a lot of ability to specialize and achieve economies of scale. The USA is fucking that up, too. :(
It’s not only money, it’s global influence and ability to project power. The USA wouldn’t be able to do that without countries all over the world tolerating US bases on their soil. That’s likely going to change. The US will degrade itself from a global to a regional power due to giving some rich idiot with the mind of a toddler virtually unlimited powers.
I’m not gonna be happy if Albo makes us join the ‘Board of Peace’. But I honestly wonder if he has the ticker to turn Trump down. I’ve typically been a Labor voter, but Albanese’s been a thundering disappointment.
If he does, though, it’d be the perfect opportunity to start moving our trade away from the US. There’s always the Pine Gap carrot to dangle in front of the orange moron, too. Doesn’t wanna treat us with respect? No more 5 Eyes for Donny.
Let’s face it: There hasn’t been a war or ‘peacekeeping’ action we haven’t been dragged into by the US since we stopped getting dragged into them by England. With the exception of Bougainville, I suppose. China’s not interested in starting a war with a country that is happy to have trade with them. It’d ultimately be in our favour to distance ourselves from Trump.
I somewhat disagree.
I despise Trump, and whole our relationship with the US could be reconfigured, and id like a stronger relationship with EU, our alliance with the US will outlive Trump.
But even when decent government returns, can we ever truly trust the US again, when they’re four years away from potentially electing another Trump (or someone even worse?)
Is Trump an aberration or a new trajectory? We will find out I guess. My point is, this new strategy in isolation is not very meaningful.
He has no concept of soft power
What chance is there that this means the US defense budget can be cut?
If by “cut” you mean increased by 50%, sure.
Well, on the increasingly unlikely possibility that they are not increasing the budget to target American citizens, I hope other nations in the world know they have to dramatically increase their own defense spending.
What allies? The US have none left… Well except for Russia and Hungary
Don’t forget Israel!
The Pentagon is doing less so that means we can reduce its funding, right?
They mean intellectually, right? We already see, thanks :)
It will give more support to Israel? Does it need support? I’m confused