“Hell Is Breaking Loose in Lebanon”: Israel Rejects Ceasefire Proposal (www.democracynow.org)
from Keeponstalin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 15:53
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Israel is continuing its bombardment of Lebanon and preparing for a possible ground invasion of the country, with the Netanyahu government rejecting a proposed 21-day ceasefire put forward by the United States, France, Canada, Australia, Japan, Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

About 500,000 people in Lebanon have been displaced, and the Health Ministry reports at least 72 people were killed and nearly 400 wounded in Israeli attacks on Wednesday, bringing the death toll to over 620 in recent days.

“There is a lot of suffering. There is a lot of hardship right now,” says Beirut-based journalist Lara Bitar, who details how Israel has repeatedly attacked and invaded Lebanese territory going back decades.

“The source of this pain can be pinpointed to the presence of the Israeli settler state in our region that continues to wreak havoc in Palestine, in Lebanon and across most of the world.”

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 15:54 next collapse
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T00l_shed@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 15:55 next collapse

Shocker

irreticent@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 19:09 collapse

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bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 16:32 next collapse

Does Hezbollah accept it?

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 16:39 collapse
NERMEEN SHAIKH:

> Lara Bitar, so, if you could tell us a little bit more about how you think Hezbollah might respond to a possible invasion? And also explain Resolution — U.N. Resolution 1701, because the U.N. secretary-general, speaking Wednesday, he warned that Lebanon is at the brink, calling for an urgent ceasefire, but he also called for the implementation of U.N. Resolutions 1559 and 1701.

LARA BITAR:

> I can’t really predict how Hezbollah will respond, but what we know is that, so far, Hezbollah has continuously tried to deescalate. Hezbollah is not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure. They have consistently aimed their weapons at military infrastructure and sites and soldiers, even after the pager attack, the walkie-talkie attack, repeated campaigns on Dahieh. Just a few minutes ago, before I joined you, Dahieh was yet again bombarded by the Israelis. I think this is the eighth attack on the Lebanese capital. Despite all of this escalation from the Israeli side, Hezbollah remains restraint, continues to try to deescalate. And the only ask here, which is not a really unreasonable ask, is for Israel to immediately end its war on the Palestinian people of Gaza after 11 months. > As far as U.N. resolutions, for the most part, they’re not legally binding. For the most part, they’re not respected. The 1701 Resolution, that was adopted after the 2006 war, is habitually, if not daily, violated by the Israelis in a variety of different ways. That’s why the majority of the Lebanese population is not holding its breath waiting for a U.N. resolution or for the Security Council or even for the international community. I think not just the people in Lebanon, but people around the world have completely lost faith in the so-called international order, the rule of law. > So, right now we can only expect things to get significantly worse. So long as the international community does not take any action to halt the insanity and the barbarism of the Israeli state, so long as the Western world continues to supply the Israelis with weapons, with support, with diplomatic cover, we have very little chance of seeing an end to this campaign anytime soon. > But on the other hand, what people can do, people anywhere can boycott Israel, can put pressure on their institutions, on their universities, on the corporations in which they work, and to divest from Israel. The only chance that we have is for the world and for comrades around the world to put this kind of pressure on their governments and on their institutions to isolate Israel, because Israel will only stop this campaign and this war around the region if it becomes too costly for it. And right now it’s not paying any kind of price for its actions.

bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 16:58 next collapse

Hezbollah has tried to deescalate by flagrantly violating UN resolution 1701 for decades.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:30 collapse

As opposed to Israel also violating the UN Resolution by continuing it’s illegal occupation of Lebanese and Syrian territory? Hezbollah disbanding it’s armed wing doesn’t make sense when Israel continues it’s settler Colonialism and targeting of civilians. There is no guarantee Israel would stop, in fact they’ve given every reason that they would continue their atrocities.

Furball@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 19:46 collapse

What Lebanese territory does Israel occupy?

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 20:23 collapse

My bad, I confused it with the continued occupation of the Golan Heights, which is Syrian territory. The Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon ended in 2000. However, there has still been disputes about what constitutes the border, such as Shebaa Farms. Since 2006 its been much more about Israeli incursions into Lebanon. Hezbollah is also very vocal about considering all occupations by Israel, such as Palestine and the Golan Heights, as illegitimate, so that’s also a factor.

Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.

While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.

So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.

bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 06:55 collapse

Under UN Resolution 1701, the governments of Israel, Lebanon, and Syria have to negotiate about the border and Sheeba farms. On all maps from the French mandate, the Sheeba farms are part of Syria.

Israel attempted to negotiate this under Olmert and didn’t get a response.

Hezbollah doesn’t give a shit about Sheba farms. They explicitly want to destroy Israel. Just listen to what they say and write.

Start reading something else besides the notorious anti-Israel Al-Jazeera.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 17:43 collapse

Hezbollah wants to destroy Zionism, that includes ending Israeli occupation of any people, from Lebanese to Syrian to Palestinian. Hezbollah only exists because of Israel.

1982

> The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians. > On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.

Israeli Withdrawal

> Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah’s behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah’s restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah’s earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in the south. > Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria’s calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel It’s difficult to quote from the article, so read the full paper for more context and details

2006

> The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities. > It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019. > While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.

Hezbollah’s ideology is both Anti-zionist and anti-judiaism, which Amal Saad-Ghorayeb can analyze and describe far better than I can. The anti-Judaist sentiment should absolutely be condemned and called out.

Anti-Zionism and Israel (Chapter 7)

> Hizbu’llah’s reluctance to grant Israel recognition is rooted in its rendition of the origins of the Israeli state, which it unequivocally portrays as a ‘rape’ or ‘usurpation’ of Palestinian land, there by rendering it a state which ‘is originally based on aggression’. By extension, the continued existence of the Israeli state constitutes ‘an act of aggression’, insofar as it

Jaderick@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:14 collapse

The call to action of boycotting Israel at the end is the valuable part of this quote.

I wouldn’t die on the hill of “Hezbollah is not targeting civilians or civilian infrastructure” for the fact that they do not have the rocketry capabilities for targeted strikes. Isreal clearly doesn’t either.

Doorbook@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:25 collapse

for the fact that they do not have the rocketry capabilities for targeted strikes.

Have you seen any of the videos they have posted? I saw a few that were actually guided ! they problem I notice in media they never show attacks by hamas or hezbollah. While IDF doesn’t actually care what they hit and like to always claim to be right and accurate but we know from Gaza they are mostly lies which makes it hard to believe them anymore…

Jaderick@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:36 collapse

I haven’t seen those videos and I’d like to see them to be informed. Pls link.

I just know that even the US struggles with targeted ballistics not hitting civilians and I think any focus on that argument weakens her response. Israel’s mandatory conscription makes those standalone sentences mean even less.

Kyrgizion@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 16:55 next collapse

Kill them all!*

  • I don’t actually know who “them” refers to. I´ve just stopped giving a fuck. There’s nothing I can do to change or help, anyway.
catloaf@lemm.ee on 26 Sep 18:39 next collapse

Maybe just “humans”?

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 19:00 collapse

If you’re relatively wealthy you can donate to organizations helping the victims, like Save The Children.

Otherwise, you can advocate to your representatives and boycott companies supporting the Israeli Apartheid and Genocide

Banichan@dormi.zone on 26 Sep 17:07 next collapse

They’re doing anything they want because no one in the world is actually stopping them

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 19:08 collapse

They fucked around and found out it was fine

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 26 Sep 17:24 next collapse

It’s impressive. Any other country in the world that was bombing two (2) (Dos) countries at a time nowadays would get hell of flack.

But not the 21st century Nazis, not them!

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 21:44 next collapse

All you need is to be besties with the USA

abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us on 02 Oct 17:12 collapse

Well, they get a lot of credit and goodwill for being the original guard victims of the actual original Nazis - the Hitler edition.

Not that being a victim of genocide enables one to perpetrate a different genocide mind you, far from it. But understanding the above point helps in coming up with an appropriate response..

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:28 next collapse

What did Lebanon do to Israel?

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 18:33 next collapse

Fight back against ethnic cleansing and their use of the dahiya doctrine in Lebanon

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 26 Sep 19:15 next collapse

Not to defend them, but Hezbollah attacked them one day after October 7th (so October 8th) in support of Hamas, which marked the start of the current round of violence. Israel widely escalated that with the pager attack which Hezbollah responded to with a bunch of rockets and then this happened. So: Opposed Israel's genocide with military action.

Asetru@feddit.org on 26 Sep 21:07 collapse

Lebanon itself not so much. Hezbollah, a Iran-financed militia that started as just a paramilitary group and evolved into a political party in Lebanon, however, controls various areas of Lebanon and kept launching rockets. UN resolution 1701 attempted to stop the constant fighting between Israel and Hezbollah. All parties agreed to it, but Hezbollah didn’t implement the rather important points of disarming the militia and retreating from the border with Israel. They also kind of kept shooting rockets at Israel to the point where the border area is mostly uninhabited by now.

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 22:48 collapse

Thank you TIL

xc2215x@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 21:29 collapse

Knowing them not a shock.