FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 07 Mar 23:23
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What the fuck is the 82nd Airborne Paratroopers gonna find if they touch down in Iran? This orange fucking moron doesn’t understand the only way to resolve this is to install somebody, to support the rebellion against Ayatollah’s factions, and they’re only polarizing candidates against them by bombing cities, putting boots on the ground, and allowing whatever the fuck Israel thinks its doing.
And all but 2 GOP house members are completely on board. Every GOP senator. All of them.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
on 07 Mar 23:50
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Yes, I don’t think a ground invasion of Iran is highly unlikely anymore, it is just unlikely.
I think it is trending towards “likely” every hour though. There are no offramps on the horizon here in my opinion.
Here is the thing I don’t think the Trump will try to occupy Iran, I just think ground troops might be used to destroy parts of it more thoroughly.
I think the “offramp” for the lunatics that doesn’t involve a ground invasion is using nukes. But I am just an anti-American tinfoil hat wearing rando on the net…
postcapitalism@lemmy.today
on 09 Mar 04:10
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Aren’t we all
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
on 08 Mar 01:11
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support the rebellion against Ayatollah’s factions
They’ve been doing that in Iran for half a century. We have dozens of examples, America supporting a puppet faction has never turned out better for the people.
The best thing america can do for the iranian people is end all sanctions and fuck off. Their struggle isn’t advanced by being under siege.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 08 Mar 01:39
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So do you want to point to a single place that is better off after America armed a puppet faction?
Or just shriek “tankie” and shut down?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 08 Mar 03:33
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Iran is already China’s Puppet faction like Syria was Russia’s. The resistance in Iran is very real, a push to end dictatorship, but clearly the USA under the orange fuck’s leadership is more interested in expanding Israeli borders.
China trading with Iran after America said nobody is allowed to and armed terrorists doesn’t make Iran a Chinese puppet, or Syria for that matter.
But you still can’t name a place that is better off after America armed some faction.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
on 08 Mar 03:52
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They are intentionally targeting left leaning activists and politicians in their homes. They don’t want a stable government to take over, regardless of who it favors.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 08 Mar 04:20
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The Americans who have or will have any say in the matter don’t.
Last time Iran had a left-leaning government, the US armed a puppet faction and got the Shah in power, who made things bad enough the people got behind the current government. Opposing socialism has bipartisan support in DC.
Jeffries said the administration has so far “failed to make its case … for this war of choice in the Middle East,” and unless President Donald Trump provides a “compelling rationale,” he’s “going to have a difficult case to make on Capitol Hill.”
Our house minority leader is out there saying trump give us a reason to give you money for these aggressive actions. Just like 1st time he attacked Iran and after Venezuela, and what they did when Bush was attacking Iraq and Afghanistan
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 01:45
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You 100% argue for war, I’ve seen you post anti-NATO shit all the time.
Anti-NATO is anti-war, see Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 03:09
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The articles of NATO have been called upon for defence only one time, and since no country was found responsible there has never been a NATO response and NATO has never attacked anyone.
NATO is the world’s largest defence pact and it’s biggest opponents are Russia and China who want to expand their borders with military aggression.
All three were NATO operations. So was Iraq part 1. And even when articles of defense aren’t called, NATO allows countries like America and France to use their resources and bases to carry out its own wars of imperialism.
China
Do you believe NATO needs to defend itself from a country on the other side of the planet?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 03:49
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Correct, America, France, etc have attacked other nations. NATO has not. NATO is a group of 32 nations wherein if one of them is attacked then they all come to the defence of that member. To be anti-NATO is to be pro-war.
When Iraq was invaded several NATO member strongly opposed it, and now that Iran is being attack the USA is being denied logistics support from many nations.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 04:19
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It’s one thing to oppose NATO, it’s another to not only oppose NATO but also the entire UN. Both of those links are UN Resolutions. You’re easily the most pro-war mf on this platform.
Do you think bombing Libya was the anti-war position? When the UN supports it, the UN has adopted a pro-war position.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 04:25
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UN was created as a result of WWII. It is participated in by nations as a means of diplomacy. It’s sole purpose is to prevent the outbreak of global war, and nothing else. The actions in Libya, which did not condone invasion or occupation, were to prevent unnecessary casualties in the region.
It’s sole purpose is to prevent the outbreak of global war
The UN proceeded to recognize the puppet South Korean government (there was literally only 1 ballet presented, if you wanted to vote against the US-chosen candidate, you had to ask the US guards for the other ballet) as the government of all of Korea, and ignore the massacres it was carrying out, essentially creating a situation where either the USSR and China had to accept the US conquering their neighbor or go to war with the US. That’s the closest we’ve been to actual global war, having half the planet on opposing sides of a war again. The UN has mostly been a tool for American soft power.
The actions in Libya, which did not condone invasion or occupation, were to prevent unnecessary casualties in the region.
Libya went from the highest Human Development Index in Africa to open air slave markets. The actions in Libya caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary casualties and displaced millions.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the UN’s stated mission, but we have look at its actual actions. In practice, it does nothing to constrain the biggest threat to world peace, America, while it does constrain anyone who tries to stand up to us.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social
on 08 Mar 03:32
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Yeah, and now they are being all tense about it. Like, they are kinda being uncool about us blowing apart a bunch of school girls for lulz.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 08 Mar 23:02
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TBF we’re not sure if it was Israel, USA, or Iran that blew up the school.
With US Allies refusing logistics support and UNESCO calling for investigation for war crimes, if it was Iran then it was strategically sound and they’re not well known for cherishing life of the citizens.
It also fits Israel’s MO, though.
It also fits the Department of War’s incompetence, though.
You want more sources showing us being the bad guy?
As much as Trump is scum of the earth who deserves to die, so was Ayatollah.
So you are for the war with Iran?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 00:12
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Reuters article
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military matters, did not rule out the possibility that new evidence could emerge that absolves the U.S. of responsibility and points to another responsible party in the incident.
TheIndependent:
Citing two U.S. officials, Reuters reported
Do you not even read these? Its pretty hard to have a conversation if I’m putting in 10x the effort as you.
Do you not even read these? Its pretty hard to have a conversation if I’m putting in 10x the effort as you.
You really need to put more effort in, the world watches what the us is doing (war crimes) and the very idea that you want to build a higher ramp for proof is just silly. A school was bombed, by the us of a in a one two follow up fashion. The us does not deny this they just don’t want to say 100% it was for sure them on purpose, so rational minds the world over have figured out that the school in a nation the us is and was bombing was bombed by the us.
When everything we can see and read, and our fucking president says yes we will hit schools everything is fair game its showing we bombed it.
Do you not even read these? Its pretty hard to have a conversation if I’m putting in 10x the effort as you.
Based on you ignoring 3 different analysis hard to belive.
Especially after saying you were fine with the school getting bombed and okay war with Iran.
So 🤷
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 01:44
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Determining precisely what happened has been impeded by the lack of visible weapons fragments and the inability of outside reporters to reach the scene.
Look, when evidence comes out of USA responsibility, I will be the first to condemn them, to call for murder trials and sending them to the hague.
But we don’t have evidence and the constant confident assertion that the USA is responsible really peeves me.
The dead children in a warzone where the us is the aggressor (and israel has denied while the us has not). Oh and then your shitheal of a leader stated on video that they will continue to target schools and kids.
Next your going to try telling us that the Iranian forces bombed their own desalination plants.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 03:20
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If everything Trump said was true then we would be living in a very different timeline. It is not evidence.
To be clear, I’m heavily in support of congress passing a war powers resolution to end Trump’s bullshit, I am not defending the USA’s actions, but I demand we hold whoever is responsible accountable and part of that is ensuring we find out who it is first.
That said I think things are more nuanced than calling the USA an aggressor, given Iran’s involvement in the Gaza Genocide and their slaughtering of their own civilians after recent riots. While I don’t agree with Trump’s war, I do think we need to be supporting a rebellion against the dictatorship in Iran.
If everything Trump said was true then we would be living in a very different timeline. It is not evidence.
That is the leader of the nation in question, lies or not that is the timeline we live in. Its evidence, its a confession, it is a boast and what he says does matter.
To be clear, I’m heavily in support of congress passing a war powers resolution to end Trump’s bullshit, I am not defending the USA’s actions, but I demand we hold whoever is responsible accountable and part of that is ensuring we find out who it is first.
They already caved on that, the states is a broken husk of a democratic nation.
That said I think things are more nuanced than calling the USA an aggressor, given Iran’s involvement in the Gaza Genocide and their slaughtering of their own civilians after recent riots. While I don’t agree with Trump’s war, I do think we need to be supporting a rebellion against the dictatorship in Iran.
The usa is 100% the aggressor here, not even debatable. There is nothing you can say (even less so in the case of Gaza) that is not going to be the geopolitical equivalent of “but look at what she was wearing”.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 04:21
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The recent votes were 47:53 and 210 to 216, along party lines. It’s not “caved on” it’s that the GOP are worthless assholes who should never be allowed in power.
The vote was passed, I (and everyone else in the real world) do not care about the stupid team bullshit in america.
What ever you think people around the world feel about the usa you are wrong, the opinion is at least twice as bad. No one cares that you voted for kodos, no one cares that the blue or red team did or did not do anything, we live in a world where if your nation starts bombing people in a foreign nation you are the aggressor.
And do you know what happens if the GOP is never allowed in power again? You have a one party state. So you have either a authoritarian government that does not follow the rule of law, or a one party state (but the blue team can feel smug). Grow up and stop pretending things are any type of normal, stop denying what is painfully clear to everyone not glazing the usa.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
on 09 Mar 04:45
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You’re confused, a War Powers Resolution has not passed because if it does pass it will take power AWAY from trump.
If I understand things correctly airborn troops are specialized in mobilizing quickly whether that be literally parachuting or not is different.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Mar 12:11
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Any rapid deployed group requires logistics and support to maintain their position.
D-Day succeeded because the airborne troops only had to hold for a few days until the link up with the Normandy beach forces could reach them.
Market garden failed because that linkup failed to reach them. The British in particular lost a lot of troops.
The other 2 gulf wars took months to build up material. I have no idea what build up there is now, but Iran is twice the size of Iraq. Lot of angry people there to greet the US
Sure, but after they land they’re in the middle of the mountains. Iran is very rugged terrain. Thry can parachute into where they need to be but they’re not going far or getting a supply line.
The vile child rapist and murdering slug will sit back and wait for the troops to be virtually annihilated. Then he will gleefully golf as Iran does a major attack on us soil. He will then enact the war bill (don’t know what it is called, I am not american) to stop voting.
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Mar 05:22
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you know those guys didnt have to sign up to murder innocents? its on them.
Unfortunately it may also be the only way they can afford to get an education, via the G.I bill. I think anyone who signed up before the Trump re-election was not expecting to be ordered to kill innocents.
He’d have to declare martial law to suspend voting.
In theory, there would need to be a clear national emergency, such as a ground invasion of the United States or open rebellion to allow for martial law to be declared.
I don’t think Iran is going to launch an amphibious assault against the United States any time soon.
habitualcynic@lemmy.world
on 09 Mar 02:32
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Declaring martial law does not suspend voting. Nothing gives the president that power, and the constitution grants no condition for elections to be paused or not held. Full stop.
Officially? To liberate the Iranian people and bring them freedom and democracy, (in the same style we liberated the Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian, Afghan, and Palestinian people).
In Trump’s words, “destroy them until they cry uncle, if there’s even anybody left to surrender”
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What the fuck is the 82nd Airborne Paratroopers gonna find if they touch down in Iran? This orange fucking moron doesn’t understand the only way to resolve this is to install somebody, to support the rebellion against Ayatollah’s factions, and they’re only polarizing candidates against them by bombing cities, putting boots on the ground, and allowing whatever the fuck Israel thinks its doing.
And all but 2 GOP house members are completely on board. Every GOP senator. All of them.
Yes, I don’t think a ground invasion of Iran is highly unlikely anymore, it is just unlikely.
I think it is trending towards “likely” every hour though. There are no offramps on the horizon here in my opinion.
Here is the thing I don’t think the Trump will try to occupy Iran, I just think ground troops might be used to destroy parts of it more thoroughly.
I think the “offramp” for the lunatics that doesn’t involve a ground invasion is using nukes. But I am just an anti-American tinfoil hat wearing rando on the net…
Aren’t we all
They’ve been doing that in Iran for half a century. We have dozens of examples, America supporting a puppet faction has never turned out better for the people.
The best thing america can do for the iranian people is end all sanctions and fuck off. Their struggle isn’t advanced by being under siege.
This tankie is always good for a laugh.
So do you want to point to a single place that is better off after America armed a puppet faction?
Or just shriek “tankie” and shut down?
Iran is already China’s Puppet faction like Syria was Russia’s. The resistance in Iran is very real, a push to end dictatorship, but clearly the USA under the orange fuck’s leadership is more interested in expanding Israeli borders.
China trading with Iran after America said nobody is allowed to and armed terrorists doesn’t make Iran a Chinese puppet, or Syria for that matter.
But you still can’t name a place that is better off after America armed some faction.
They are intentionally targeting left leaning activists and politicians in their homes. They don’t want a stable government to take over, regardless of who it favors.
Trump doesn’t, Americans do
The Americans who have or will have any say in the matter don’t.
Last time Iran had a left-leaning government, the US armed a puppet faction and got the Shah in power, who made things bad enough the people got behind the current government. Opposing socialism has bipartisan support in DC.
Congress in general is super okay with doing war against Iran though.
nbcnews.com/…/hakeem-jeffries-wont-commit-iran-wa…
2 out of 210 DNC crossed the aisle, and 2 GOP as well, but thats literally less than 1% so fuck off with blaming dems for GOP actions.
Another vote in the senate was 47:53 with nobody crossing the aisle.
I’m not blaming. They’re all for the action.
And it’s what 4 different ones voting to still fund Trump?
thehill.com/…/5770381-dhs-funding-democrats/
Oh wow you found 4, gj, I can find well over 200 corrupt pos red ties.
Again the point is they aren’t against attacking Iran, just the optics of how’s it’s being done.
208 DNC House Reps voted for a war powers resolution. Every single DNC senator voted for it.
You’re just making a blatantly false statement.
You really need reading comprehension.
ditto
I’m not the one trying to argue for a war with Iran or ignore that both parties yes both this time are more than happy to attack Iran.
nbcnews.com/…/hakeem-jeffries-wont-commit-iran-wa…
Our house minority leader is out there saying trump give us a reason to give you money for these aggressive actions. Just like 1st time he attacked Iran and after Venezuela, and what they did when Bush was attacking Iraq and Afghanistan
You 100% argue for war, I’ve seen you post anti-NATO shit all the time.
Anti-NATO is anti-war, see Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia.
The articles of NATO have been called upon for defence only one time, and since no country was found responsible there has never been a NATO response and NATO has never attacked anyone.
NATO is the world’s largest defence pact and it’s biggest opponents are Russia and China who want to expand their borders with military aggression.
All three were NATO operations. So was Iraq part 1. And even when articles of defense aren’t called, NATO allows countries like America and France to use their resources and bases to carry out its own wars of imperialism.
Do you believe NATO needs to defend itself from a country on the other side of the planet?
Correct, America, France, etc have attacked other nations. NATO has not. NATO is a group of 32 nations wherein if one of them is attacked then they all come to the defence of that member. To be anti-NATO is to be pro-war.
When Iraq was invaded several NATO member strongly opposed it, and now that Iran is being attack the USA is being denied logistics support from many nations.
The resolution NATO used to justify bombing Libya: en.wikipedia.org/…/United_Nations_Security_Counci…
NATO troops in Afghanistan: en.wikipedia.org/…/International_Security_Assista… en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Support_Mission
It’s one thing to oppose NATO, it’s another to not only oppose NATO but also the entire UN. Both of those links are UN Resolutions. You’re easily the most pro-war mf on this platform.
Do you think bombing Libya was the anti-war position? When the UN supports it, the UN has adopted a pro-war position.
UN was created as a result of WWII. It is participated in by nations as a means of diplomacy. It’s sole purpose is to prevent the outbreak of global war, and nothing else. The actions in Libya, which did not condone invasion or occupation, were to prevent unnecessary casualties in the region.
The UN proceeded to recognize the puppet South Korean government (there was literally only 1 ballet presented, if you wanted to vote against the US-chosen candidate, you had to ask the US guards for the other ballet) as the government of all of Korea, and ignore the massacres it was carrying out, essentially creating a situation where either the USSR and China had to accept the US conquering their neighbor or go to war with the US. That’s the closest we’ve been to actual global war, having half the planet on opposing sides of a war again. The UN has mostly been a tool for American soft power.
Libya went from the highest Human Development Index in Africa to open air slave markets. The actions in Libya caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary casualties and displaced millions.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the UN’s stated mission, but we have look at its actual actions. In practice, it does nothing to constrain the biggest threat to world peace, America, while it does constrain anyone who tries to stand up to us.
Amid tensions?! We bombed the country…
Yeah, and now they are being all tense about it. Like, they are kinda being uncool about us blowing apart a bunch of school girls for lulz.
TBF we’re not sure if it was Israel, USA, or Iran that blew up the school.
With US Allies refusing logistics support and UNESCO calling for investigation for war crimes, if it was Iran then it was strategically sound and they’re not well known for cherishing life of the citizens.
It also fits Israel’s MO, though.
It also fits the Department of War’s incompetence, though.
the-independent.com/…/trump-iran-strikes-school-g…
It was the usa…
I can understand the urge to assume everything Trump says is a lie, statistically you would be correct, but thats not a sound evidence based argument.
As much as Trump is scum of the earth who deserves to die, so was Ayatollah.
reuters.com/…/us-investigation-points-likely-us-r…
the-independent.com/…/iran-girls-school-us-milita…
You want more sources showing us being the bad guy?
So you are for the war with Iran?
Reuters article
TheIndependent:
Do you not even read these? Its pretty hard to have a conversation if I’m putting in 10x the effort as you.
You really need to put more effort in, the world watches what the us is doing (war crimes) and the very idea that you want to build a higher ramp for proof is just silly. A school was bombed, by the us of a in a one two follow up fashion. The us does not deny this they just don’t want to say 100% it was for sure them on purpose, so rational minds the world over have figured out that the school in a nation the us is and was bombing was bombed by the us.
I’m honestly surprised they read any of them. Normally they just cycle back do different reason or arguments rather than admit being wrong.
nytimes.com/…/iran-school-us-strikes-naval-base.h…
When everything we can see and read, and our fucking president says yes we will hit schools everything is fair game its showing we bombed it.
Based on you ignoring 3 different analysis hard to belive.
Especially after saying you were fine with the school getting bombed and okay war with Iran.
So 🤷
Look, when evidence comes out of USA responsibility, I will be the first to condemn them, to call for murder trials and sending them to the hague.
But we don’t have evidence and the constant confident assertion that the USA is responsible really peeves me.
We do have evidence and no you will not ever accept that it is “good” enough evidance.
What is the evidence?
The dead children in a warzone where the us is the aggressor (and israel has denied while the us has not). Oh and then your shitheal of a leader stated on video that they will continue to target schools and kids.
Next your going to try telling us that the Iranian forces bombed their own desalination plants.
If everything Trump said was true then we would be living in a very different timeline. It is not evidence.
To be clear, I’m heavily in support of congress passing a war powers resolution to end Trump’s bullshit, I am not defending the USA’s actions, but I demand we hold whoever is responsible accountable and part of that is ensuring we find out who it is first.
That said I think things are more nuanced than calling the USA an aggressor, given Iran’s involvement in the Gaza Genocide and their slaughtering of their own civilians after recent riots. While I don’t agree with Trump’s war, I do think we need to be supporting a rebellion against the dictatorship in Iran.
That is the leader of the nation in question, lies or not that is the timeline we live in. Its evidence, its a confession, it is a boast and what he says does matter.
They already caved on that, the states is a broken husk of a democratic nation.
The usa is 100% the aggressor here, not even debatable. There is nothing you can say (even less so in the case of Gaza) that is not going to be the geopolitical equivalent of “but look at what she was wearing”.
The recent votes were 47:53 and 210 to 216, along party lines. It’s not “caved on” it’s that the GOP are worthless assholes who should never be allowed in power.
The vote was passed, I (and everyone else in the real world) do not care about the stupid team bullshit in america.
What ever you think people around the world feel about the usa you are wrong, the opinion is at least twice as bad. No one cares that you voted for kodos, no one cares that the blue or red team did or did not do anything, we live in a world where if your nation starts bombing people in a foreign nation you are the aggressor.
And do you know what happens if the GOP is never allowed in power again? You have a one party state. So you have either a authoritarian government that does not follow the rule of law, or a one party state (but the blue team can feel smug). Grow up and stop pretending things are any type of normal, stop denying what is painfully clear to everyone not glazing the usa.
You’re confused, a War Powers Resolution has not passed because if it does pass it will take power AWAY from trump.
Oh like it matters, your being pedantic. The usa voted to let trump do whatever he wants.
We “epic fury-ed” it.
Ready to jump into a 2000+ meter mountain range?
If I understand things correctly airborn troops are specialized in mobilizing quickly whether that be literally parachuting or not is different.
Any rapid deployed group requires logistics and support to maintain their position. D-Day succeeded because the airborne troops only had to hold for a few days until the link up with the Normandy beach forces could reach them.
Market garden failed because that linkup failed to reach them. The British in particular lost a lot of troops.
The other 2 gulf wars took months to build up material. I have no idea what build up there is now, but Iran is twice the size of Iraq. Lot of angry people there to greet the US
Sure, but after they land they’re in the middle of the mountains. Iran is very rugged terrain. Thry can parachute into where they need to be but they’re not going far or getting a supply line.
I feel so bad for the troops.
The vile child rapist and murdering slug will sit back and wait for the troops to be virtually annihilated. Then he will gleefully golf as Iran does a major attack on us soil. He will then enact the war bill (don’t know what it is called, I am not american) to stop voting.
you know those guys didnt have to sign up to murder innocents? its on them.
Unfortunately it may also be the only way they can afford to get an education, via the G.I bill. I think anyone who signed up before the Trump re-election was not expecting to be ordered to kill innocents.
Stop making excuses for awful immoral behavior.
Every US soldier that is neutralized in Iran will not be there to fight in another unjust war… so, my sympathy to those people is limited.
He’d have to declare martial law to suspend voting.
In theory, there would need to be a clear national emergency, such as a ground invasion of the United States or open rebellion to allow for martial law to be declared.
I don’t think Iran is going to launch an amphibious assault against the United States any time soon.
Declaring martial law does not suspend voting. Nothing gives the president that power, and the constitution grants no condition for elections to be paused or not held. Full stop.
Conceding on this AT ALL gives them leverage.
You should feel bad about the people they are killing.
Reminds me of Market Garden except morally bankrupt and monumentally more ill-advised.
We already repeated “dropping a bunch of unsupported soldiers into a mountainous desert” 60 years ago. I bet this time they will greet them as liberators.
Paratroopers?
This should be interesting.
When will the American nightmare be over ? Will I live long enough to see an end to American incursions? 🤔😞
What even is the goal of this war? What the fuck are paratroopers gonna do once they land?
Officially? To liberate the Iranian people and bring them freedom and democracy, (in the same style we liberated the Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian, Afghan, and Palestinian people).
In Trump’s words, “destroy them until they cry uncle, if there’s even anybody left to surrender”
Come On Home, Yankee soldiers